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Imagine There’s No IRS: Restoring the Constitution in the Wake of the 16th Amendment

It may seem hopeless, but Stephen Green, Bill Whittle and Scott Ott dream of a better life, without the Internal Revenue Service. Imagine there’s no IRS? It would go a long way toward restoring the Constitution in the wake of the devastating 16th Amendment. How then would we pay for all of those reliable and desirable government services?

It may seem hopeless, but Stephen Green, Bill Whittle and Scott Ott dream of a better life, without the Internal Revenue Service. Imagine there’s no IRS? It would go a long way toward restoring the Constitution in the wake of the devastating 16th Amendment. How then would we pay for all of those reliable and desirable government services?

23 replies on “Imagine There’s No IRS: Restoring the Constitution in the Wake of the 16th Amendment”

“Half the country doesn’t pay any taxes”.

Not anymore. The 2019 Tax Code charges everyone. A single person making $0 to $9700 of annual income is now taxed at 10%. The tax brackets are now 10%, 12%, 22%, 24%, 32%, 35% and 37%.

Reference: “2019 Tax Rate Schedules”, 2019 IRS Form 1040-ES Estimated Tax for Individuals, Page 7.

We, the people NEED to be Educated. Real Power is through KNOWLEDGE.

FLAT TAX!

Article V = Convention of States.

Are you aware of FASAB Statement 56 that now allows the federal government to spend with no audit required? This is TOTALLY unconstitutional but Congress passed this just two months ago probably without your knowing about it. I suggest you go to former Asst. HUD Sec. Catherine Austin Fitts website, Solari.com, and learn more about it. You have more to complain about than just the fact that you have to pay tax…

https://home.solari.com/fasab-statement-56-understanding-new-government-financial-accounting-loopholes/

Come on guys, you know the way we’re going to get out of this mess. The Gov. is going to spend the value of the dollar down to ZERO. Then they are going to try to invent another Fiat money to replace it. And at that point we dump them and go back to solid coin. . . all three of them that will be left in the smoking ruin. They’re overspending for one reason. To impoverish US!!

The tax preparers and numerous other assorted lobbyists will never let them go, but I’m not a fan of using tax credits to incentivize particular behaviors. This amounts to the state making value judgments about relative importance and what we ought to be doing with our own earnings. None of its business. Eliminating all of those breaks and exemptions for special circumstances (if only we could) would dramatically simplify things. Beyond that, switch to a flat income tax or a flat sales tax — either would be better than the situation we’ve got. Get rid of withholdings, and move election day right next to tax day. Every citizen with skin in the game. File your taxes on the back of a postcard and save the time and brain cells for productive endeavors. It’ll never happen because too many people have a vested interest in the current mess, so let’s just remember to draw up a more bulletproof constitution next time.

Thank you Steve for the interesting bit of history on the 16th (horse-trading with the Prohibition movement). The deeper the Progressive rabbit hole goes, the grumpier I get…

Have been a fan of the fair tax for years. I think it would be pretty easy to repeal the 16th amendment if we first eliminated withholding. Could you imagine the outcry? Here is your money each week, and then each quarter, here is your bill.

I’ve heard someone suggest we put your voting ballot on the back of your tax return and you file them both on the same day with your tax payment check. Having to write out and see just how much you pay in tax might make people think twice about who they elect.

Exactly. Imagine if instead of the government stealing money from your check every month or every 2 weeks, that you had to pay them each quarter, or worse yet write them a check at year’s end. I guarantee that people would be marching on D.C. with pitchforks, torches and hound dogs demanding the 16th be repealed, and while they’re at it, the 17th too.

Giving you my first down vote ever. As I have been saying for years.
Shift to crowd funding public goods item by item. Trump gets it, that’s why a guy that met him in the oval office one month was crowd funding the wall the next. Crowd fund trusts to cover the poor and disabled. Create assurance contract targeted to big corporations for big projects: highways, ports, R & D.
Take the money transfer process out of the capitals and out of the parliaments. That way people willingly fund those public goods that work. Defund public goods that fail. Entrepreneurs end up doing public goods.

For law and defence have 4 or 5 target fund streams one of which is “Presidential discretionary fund” and one is civil defence. Allow dominant assurance contracts which allow a small profit margin for the person proposing the Assurance contract and if the fund fails to reach quorum then some money, from the entrepreneur goes back to the funders.
Don’t just rail at taxes; make it obsolete.
http://appliedimpossibilies.blogspot.com/2012/05/crowd-funding-government.html

or
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assurance_contract

Its so frustrating to see that conservatives don’t get it that someone sat down in the 1980’s and worked out a solution and the worlds conservatives ignore it or never heard about it.

I have come to believe that a federal sales tax should take the place of the IRS. The less you buy, the less you pay. The more you buy, the more you pay. More privacy. Encourages savings. Government cares about the economy. And much more.

And people who make money without claiming it would still pay taxes when they spent it.

If I understand it, Bitcoin should be a tremendous boon to the IRS. All they have to do is associate you with a Bitcoin wallet then look at the publicly available ledger and they know every penny (or whatever you’d call it in Bitcoin world) in an out, where it came from and where it went.

There was an interesting idea I learned about a few years ago called The Neutral Tax. Has anyone here heard of it? The short version is that it moves federal taxing authority to the states – the Feds hand them a bill and states can collect however they like. The post below links to the short white paper that’s worth a few minutes of your time to read.

https://brother-bobs-blog.blogspot.com/2012/08/how-about-major-tax-policy-overhaul.html

That was the primary reason why the Articles of Confederation failed. We’ve tried that, and it didn’t work. In fact, it almost brought an end to the country entirely within its first decade of existence.

Not sure I follow – how is the Articles similar to the Neutral Tax? The Feds still have authority, while it’s the states handle the implementation

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