While Bill Whittle brings you a shocker: San Francisco may address the death of George Floyd and police brutality in general, with a freeze on hiring cops who have excessive force cases on their records. What a radical notion!
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17 replies on “Shocker: San Francisco Mulls Freeze on Hiring Cops with Excessive Force Records”
When I grew up in SanFrancisco in the 1950’s and early 1960’s there use to be at Ocean Beach looking out toward the pacific Ocean PLAYLAND. As a kid, it was San Francisco’s version of Disneyland (built in 1954). A great place to go to for FUN. It was torn down in 1972. Though it no longer exists, the once great City has resurrected years ago. It now encompasses the entire City where the HomeLess, Prosecution, Drugs, Horrible government and Leftism rule the CITY without the great FUN that PlayLand offered. Shame on the City by the Bay.
LOL, Steve you were living in the 2nd worst hood in SF at the same time I was living in east Hollywood. Also, not the best of hoods.
Steve I don’t believe the police unions are involved in hiring. It is typically the local civil service administration who does the hiring. On the other hand all applicants should have a back ground check. And that is usually handled by the local PD.
But unions are involved in vigorously defending their members from accusations of libel, which demonstrates how effective they are after a dozen complaints.
Raising the salaries of cops will not increase the quality of officers for the reason Steve cited: police unions. Unions in general have communist roots that foment friction between the employer and employee. This means that stalwart, rectitude is irrelevant to the goals of gaining hegemonic domination over employers. Yes, all men are created equal but unions act like some animals are more equal than others.
What is the reason the complaints against individual policemen aren’t adjudicated? Is it for lack of money? Is it because they already know nothing will be done against wrong-doers, so why bother? Is this the root of the problem, or just one more indicator of racism/police brutality that the left can use against the police?
I would imagine some complaints are dismissed for lack of evidence or upon followup the complainant dropped the complaint (as he found it wasn’t going anywhere and he was… to jail). Probably others are actually processed, some board or panel finds them without merit (whether actually or white-washed [should that be bluewashed?]) and they’re dismissed. Bumping police complaints either to another department or up to the state level could remove some of those issues but I suspect a lot of them are like jailhouse lawsuits… the whiner has nothing to lose and only a fraction are real complaints about real injury.
Unfortunately, this is likely not the way that they will actually implement anything.
Unions in their general form protect the worst of any group. I saw this first hand decades ago in upstate NY. Several union members were selling drugs out of the plant. A police sting was set up and they were caught, arrested, spent time in jail. Then the union fought for their jobs back, and they were reinstated.
The details of the union argument are unimportant, what struck a young guy was they fought for them at all. How did their selling drugs to their fellow employees not make the workplace less safe for other union members? The union should have been helping to rid them.
It is the same with police unions. They protect the worst. Until that really changes, we will keep seeing bad policing. Until the other cops present feel that they can step in and stop the bad guy wearing a badge, this doesn’t change.
Just remember, Scot Peterson was reinstated in Broward.
No, No, No, No, No, No!!
This is just like the Abusive husband who hits his wife because he didn’t like the taste of her dinner
And instead of calling the Police, she is trying to improve her cooking skills.
And maybe there are places for improvement, but this is definitely not the issue, so don’t frame it like this!
This is not about George Floyd or Ahmaud Arbery, these people don’t care about them, but they do know how to throw these name around to manipulate you, and make you feel bad – don’t fall for that!
This is a well-planned, sponsored and Organized Riot, this is their October surprise, they have no idea how to win in November, and they intend to play dirty, with no limits!
The Policeman who are allegedly guilty – will not get a fair trial, that is for sure, and all other policeman are watching how a whole nation turning the back on them
Back up your police! be grateful that you have them!
Don’t even suggest that if it was a different police then it would have all been different!
No policeman in uniform (or anyone in uniform) should be allowed to kneel down, or express any other opinion, it disgraceful for all other cops
They (Antifa etc.) wanted to start to start this Riot, and they would have found another excuse,
As long as the battle is going on, do not make any concessions!
Stand your ground, and don’t apologies, they have much more to apologies for, and you can start demanding!
Also, I never heard them say that they want to improve the police, they want to defund the Police, and these are 2 opposites, and once police is defunded, and reduced, then they will start recruiting SJWs to replace them, and then it will be fun for everyone
Don’t ever think that you are strong enough to make the next appeasement
Don’t ever think that you can have one city, to have one nice experiment, and then everyone will see how correct you are, but at that point – you are way beyond the point of No Return.
They (the left) lost the Supreme Court, so now they are coming for the Police
Exactly what I wrote
https://youtu.be/qEGUZs_HKRE
State or sovereign immunity is a disgusting vestige of The Divine Right of Kings logic. It ought to be discarded, wholly.
I don’t believe in stratum of citizens. I don’t believe in a greater penalty for murdering certain citizens (EMT’s, Police Officers, Politicians, etc.). We ought to all be equal before the law…All of us.
I refer you to my extensive comments posted to the Back Stage video dealing with this episode.
Do you really think the SF council is talking about the same thing you are? As these progressives always do, they will consider any accusation of excessive force to be true and any use of force to be excessive.
I’m not a union supporter, but just exactly who is there to ensure an accused cop gets due process in the internal disciplinary system when a charge is leveled? It won’t be the police leadership who are tightly connected to the political establishment. Many of them owe their promotions to a combination of political connection and affirmative action “merit” status. The higher up you look, the more this is true. The union does not dispense punishment to the cops. The political hacks do.
The cops have some liability shielding depending on locality. A number of Chicago cops have lost everything under very questionable circumstances, including for legal actions for which no charges were filed. No one would say the state attorney has been any friend to cops there. Cops are already criminally liable for their actions. The agency that trains and supervises them should have the civil liability for poor practices since they never will have criminal liability. Would you enforce the law under unlimited civil liability. I hope, if you would, that you have pockets deep enough to adequately defend yourself against the grievance lawyers and their tax exempt organizations. The city won’t back you up.
Until the politicized and incompetent police leadership system is purged, there is little to no chance of getting bad cops out or even be able to identify them.
Scott, thanks for your insight on the record being reported upon. There was a time when the reporter would have made that distinction for the reader. Assuming the reporter even understands the difference is foolish.
Bill, you came dangerously close to equating recorded accusations with substantiated abuse. Accepting the progressive narrative is dangerous.
God Bless
All true, but one thought. The problem with “dirty policemen” is made worse by the failure of their “good” fellow officers to report them to the authorities and testify against them.
Note that this is the same problem where members of the FBI did not report fellow agents involved in the numerous recent scandals- FISA, Russia “collusion”; IRS people who did not speak up against the war on conservative groups under Obama; military who did not speak out regarding Benghazi, ATF agents who did not speak out against Fast and Furious;…
This points to a generalized rot in our society that goes well beyond silence regarding a dangerous policeman.
I’d be interested in a Bill Whittle Now episode regarding this problem.
Exactly!
I have never been a cop but I have had a number of close friends and family who have been. The “misconduct”, “excessive force complaints”, etc., should have been properly investigated and documented as Scott mentioned.
Oddly enough, having known a policeman years ago, if a policeman has had no ACCUSATIONS of excessive force over years especially in high crime areas, it probably means they are not doing their job. Criminals love to make that accusation. It does not make it true, and criminals often resist requiring force. It’s when you go beyond what is necessary that is the problem. And accidents occur. Here’s my general take. Once can be an accident. Twice can be coincidence. Three times or more is probably a pattern. One size does not fit all. But get rid of the obvious bad ones!
I have read that the implementation of body cameras has diminished accusations of excessive force. Turns out criminals know which buttons to push.