Folks. I hate to do this. And I know Bill isn’t about negativity, but I just have to ask – is this the best we can do? I was excited for BWN to get the 1000+ new members that Bill pushed for in the last month or so. I thought “Wow! Now we can start making things happen!” I was eager to see what plans Bill would come up with for us to act on and start to push OUR agenda of MB2A. To lead everyone in a direction of more action for reform and less talking and griping about what went wrong and what will go wrong in the future.
The Left is moving at supersonic speed! Biden on the first day alone wiped out much of the progress that conservatives had worked for in the last 4 years. IN ONE DAMN DAY! Now, they are getting ready to cram federal election laws down our throats to ensure endless fraud in order to retain their power for many years to come. Our country is being destroyed at an alarming rate. And Bill decides to add a series virtue videos due to the influx of cash from a membership increase of people that joined in hopes of making a difference starting NOW? I’m sorry but this isn’t what I signed up for. I don’t want to sit around singing Kumbaya while the country burns to the ground. So many people have posted here and in the forum that they are eager and ready to help in some form but no one really knows what to do. We need a plan. We need to take action. We need to do something – anything – to stop this madness that is happening right under our noses and being thrust in our faces!
Some people here are trying their best to start to work towards a plan. There is a side group, started by Michael Piz (private message him for more details), who are trying to start an organization to take action. I have seen others talk about running for office and people stepping up with advice on how to run a successful campaign. This is great stuff! Everything I see trying to happen seems to be falling a little flat without any main leadership. We need Bill! Not to make more and more videos about what should happen or what did and will happen, but to use his time (and the member fees) wisely and LEAD the members here to do some constructive action! Some of the most productive efforts I have seen have been during the Stratosphere Lounge live sessions where he interacts with members. We need more of that! Skype calls maybe?
I would hate to see the passion and excitement for progress diminish among the members here for lack of initiatives and leadership. I can only read so many blog posts about how terrible it has all become and only getting worse.
Please, Bill, help us to help you to make some real reform before it is too late…
30 replies on “Virtue Videos? Is This The Best We Can Do??”
Did you read/do the action steps “Getting Started” I posted in the forum for people who wanted actionable steps/to DO something?
Have you looked at Michael Piz’s stuff? He’s working on “to do’s” as well.
Have you considered the information on running for office or supporting others in the forum?
Did you see my post and link for “Make Americans Great Again” website that has resources for homeschooling?
Have you “secured” your tech?
Have you considered finding or taking up a topic you mentioned that needs attention and sharing some “to do’s” with others?
We’ve started with voting with our dollars and walking away from all the big biz’s that censor, etc. Have you made your plan on that?
The way I view this “movement” is Bill W. gives us ideas and structure through his videos. We take said information and start working on the bits in our own life and gathering info. to share with others so they can take some action as we’re not all savvy in everything.
I’ve learned a lot so far and done a lot to get my own house in order since joining like 2 months ago.
I made a personal plan and have finished most of those steps. Then I can work on local govt. stuff, etc.
If you have already accomplished all the stuff I’ve mentioned (which are actionable steps), congratulations! I can see how you would be bored with the mundane and want to move on to “greater things”.
P.S. We can all call our rep’s and governors and tell them we don’t want this voter law stuff passed and let them know you won’t vote for them if they don’t stop it. We can’t snatch the pen out of Biden’s hands so he’ll stop signing EO’s. Storming the Capital doesn’t work. Resistance and being a constant pain in the butt to them and standing up for ourselves is key.
Just how I see things.
Hi De. I’m not sure why you get so confrontational with people that just want to see more happening with MB2A. I do not know what Bill’s plan is and that’s part of the problem. Yes, I have and am doing most of what you have said on my own. But there are strength in numbers and that should be the point of us putting in our time and money here. To have a distinct message and grow our base and work towards reform as a group. Of course we need to do things at our local and state levels and there should be an outline of steps to do that plainly stated for all to research and see. Yes, there are forums and all this is a great start but there is not a resource you can go to here that can be easily searched for information.
There is momentum and resources now to do something. All I am saying is that I hope that doesn’t get wasted by going on tangent videos that explain and preach to the choir what we already know. I heard him say he wants to make a video explaining about the election fraud. Waste of time. All of that information is output there and is being ignored. He will not change anyone’s mind on that. If his videos are to rally and expand his base then great! Let’s do that with a PLAN to market his brand out to like-minded conservatives and get them to come on board to push our agenda further.
I am part of the group with Michael Piz and am doing my part as much as I know how. I want to see this move in the right direction because I care about this movement and think it can do a lot of good if properly executed. We need Bill to focus on MB2A, in my opinion, and be a leader with a plan of action before people lose interest and take their resources elsewhere.
It wasn’t my intent to get confrontational.
I was merely giving you some steps you could take if you hadn’t already.
I thought perhaps there were some things you didn’t know about yet as I didn’t know what you knew already.
I tend to be direct and to the point and a little sarcastic at times.
I know you don’t know me and I don’t know you, but anyone here is my ally unless they show me different.
I agree with wanting to take action swiftly. For example, my post on what we’re going to do to prevent the onslaught of illegals when Uncle Joe opens the borders, releases all the ICE detainees who are criminals, and gives amnesty to millions of illegals.
I care about this movement also and the people in it.
So, I offer the “peace pipe” to you and will do my best to temper my responses to a “fine grit” sandpaper. 🙂
Ha it’s hard to be tempered in these trying times. Frustration abound! I am glad you are providing info to others I would just think a more searchable, user friendly document/site is needed. It will be hard for people to find stuff having to sort through forum comments eventually.
Agreed. I’ve kind of started with anger and am at the frustration level now (simmering down) with periodic bursts of anger. LOL
Yes, I think it will be hard to find all the great documents people have put together on here as they get buried or people may not know the keywords to search, etc.
Maybe the BW team could peruse and choose major doc’s to post after they’re final (‘ish) and put them on a tab or something called “getting started” or “action steps” or something.
That way a member could easily find the info., look over it, and decide what they should do or a process to run for office, etc.
The video is literally a good start.
What Bill has been talking about in the mornings is something that has to and will happen very much locally, very much off-stage.
I doubt very much there will be much coverage of Conservatives running for local office to fix the voting laws outside of the sort of local papers (I have a feeling there are a lot of LOCAL still papers out there) and radiot and maybe TV stations that most of us here do not have regular access to.
So we will hear reports here, and later, as the Movement builds.
In the mean time, Zo, welcome to the team! I expect more and better from you. Sadly, you have cause to say you’re out of practice.
BTW, cool studio, Zo! You have to tell us about all those guitars.
I for one am thrilled to finally have someone talking about virtue. The lack of wide-spread, cultivated personal virtue is what’s gotten us into this mess, and unless we all do something about it, any attempts to politically fix things will at best delay the decline. The more personal virtue in a country, the less need (and less perceived need, which is vital) for government.
Except that the enemy is already in control of the mechanisms of power, right now! If we wait for the whole population to adopt what each of us (individually, BTW, good luck getting consensus among even just those who hold a good but not perfect idea of virtue), then we’re doomed.
We can talk about virtue all we want (although there was precious little of that even in the “What Is Virtue?” episode) but we’re wasting time doing so. We all know what needs to be done, we agree closely enough on the philosophy and morality, and Bill has established himself as the leader of this effort. It’s time to MOVE.
I’m going to have to disagree here.
I’m sure that Bill has lots of things that he is about to bring to the table, but please remember that Bill isn’t the one going to save the country; just like Donald couldn’t. Bill is a media guy. A very savvy one, with some good ideas and a sense of understanding how the left works, but that’s as far as it goes.
The people who are going to save this country are the ordinary American people. The foundational values that those people have, and their understanding of the fundamental principles that make the republic actually work, are paramount.
John Adams stated it this way, “Public virtue cannot exist in a Nation without private Virtue, and public Virtue is the only Foundation of Republics.”
Jordan B Peterson said recently that “The answer to the problem of humanity, lies in the integrity of the individual”.
So yes, we need to remind people that we need them to work on their private virtue, if they’re going to be in any place to save the republic.
Meanwhile the enemy will stomp harder and harder on our necks with the boot they’ve taken control of as of the 2020 elections.
Sure, let’s wait until everyone is perfect according to the One True Definition of Virtue that the “What Is Virtue?” episode never even came close to providing. Then we’ll try removing the chains they’ve bound us with while we were waiting.
I too am hoping that this site and others like it grow like little spiderwebs of thought and action toward what I believe is a common goal – pushing the agenda of that we all want so desperately, push it so hard that Donald Trump or Don Junior or Bill Whittle or Candace Owen or somebody with a brain in his/her head is president with an army of people like us behind him/her… pushing like sunnuvabitch.
Is that what we are doing here? Pushing Bill Whittle like a sunnuvabitch? And Steve and Scott? And ourselves? I hope so. And I hope Bill appreciates the pushing!
Let’s take a step back, shall we? I definitely hear the passion and sense of urgency coming from the above blog. We need to keep in mind what this will be….this will NOT be a ‘2 years and we take it all back in ’22’ type of movement. Hardly. The Marxist/globalist/EDN (Elite Douche Nozzles) complex thinks in terms of twenty to thirty year plans; so should we. Action and movement is needed, yes, but flailing arms around is action and movement. I see what Bill is trying to do is crystalize what we are rallying around; what this movement is going to be united by.
As to virtue: this is the one thing that we can say is absolutely missing from the ruling class. And so, we must talk about what it is and how we must use it to restore/renew/revolutionize(?) what we currently have.
To be blunt, we need to be religious. No, not more Christian or more Jewish, or what-have-you, no we need to be religious in the way that Tolstoy saw religion: As that which binds man together,(from the Latin religare). We must be doing the things, talking about the things, championing the things that bind us. Example: Freedom. You want to be free to choose the best schooling for your kids and not have them trapped in failing government schools? Me too. You want freedom to choose your own health care and not have companies that ration your care in charge of it? Me too. Etc Etc.
These are not complicated conversations, but they are things we must do to distill what we are about before any concrete action gets done. Thankfully, the inestimable Mr Piz has started/facilitated a members forum where we can hash these things out. Once sufficiently hashed, we move with a action plan.
At least, that’s how I see it unfolding.
It’s not a forum, it’s an actual group of real people who want to take action now. Not flailing our arms about but beginning what’s necessary for that decades-long effort. (Note, though, that in an early MB2A video, Bill said we could accomplish the goal of electing enough people to fix the election laws by 2022.)
Is there really anyone here who doesn’t understand the issues and what’s at stake well enough to get the hell going? I say there isn’t. So let’s move!
Accepting your premise that everyone understands the issues and what’s at stake, in response to our dire circumstances, would you employ the “by any means necessary” expediency of the left to effect that move? Since they steal elections, and since our time is so short, with all the smart people around here, why not strive to beat them at their own game by becoming better cheaters than they are? Can moral ends be achieved by immoral means? If so, then what differentiates anything we will do from what’s being done to us right now?
The left wants power and will employ any and all lies and corruption to get it. If we’re going to move, then what are we moving towards? If we agree to focus our efforts in the short term on one goal, and no question, election laws would be a great one, how do you expect to get people to move without faith in the trustworthiness of the people they recruit to achieve that goal?
I’m not challenging your assertion, I’m asking you sincere questions. A stanza of the last verse of our national anthem reads, “then conquer we must, when our cause is just…” Without an understanding of virtue, how does one know when he is moving towards justice?
I don’t know how you get from what I said to “let’s cheat.” What was in my comment that made you think I endorse “by any means necessary?”
In all sincerity, how did you get there starting with what I wrote?
Quoting your posts earlier on the thread: “We can talk about virtue all we want . . . but we’re wasting time doing so. We all know what needs to be done, we agree closely enough on the philosophy and morality. . .”
And: “Is there really anyone here who doesn’t understand the issues and what’s at stake well enough to get the hell going? I say there isn’t.”
I’m saying those are dangerous assumptions.
It has been my experience when discussing and/or working with people on political issues that you can’t assume “we agree closely enough” on ANYTHING, nor that everyone “understand[s] the issues”, or the virtue providing the guardrails guiding the action you seek. For example, say we organize around a basic common denominator as simple as: “we commit to upholding the principles enshrined in the Declaration of Independence, the protections of the US Constitution, and promoting local control to the maximum extent”, I guarantee you will be stunned at what well-intentioned people think that means and permits.
I purposefully suggested immoral means to achieve a moral goal – to MOVE, as you put it. I wasn’t saying you suggested that we cheat, I was trying to make the point that without devoting the time to focus on and define a commonly accepted definition of the virtue by which we conduct our actions, how can you be sure that those moving along with you won’t compromise the means, thereby dooming the achievement of the goal?
OK, I see your point. But, given the specific audience of BWC members, does applying a principle based on the population at large make sense? Sure, there might be a few here who misunderstand, but when addressing a large group you have to generalize to some extent. I think my characterizations fit the membership to a high degree.
I agree and I have little hope video’s will do squat, there are already literally dozens of conservatives making video’s every day, a lot of good that did.
Most conservatives I know in real life and those who make video’s won’t even drop their facebook or twitter or god forbid amazon while they complain endlessly about rinos while being one in their own life. Most of the people I watch seem more interested in their own celebrity and selling books or raising funds so they can stay employed…
When Bill announced the MS2A I was hoping to see something like a website with maybe some template letters we could send to schools, legislatures to combat things like critical race theory or white privilege non-sense. Maybe some legal advise for when the woke brigade messes with our employment or our families, maybe a list of a-political or conservative companies to buy products from, things we can take and use right away to fight back…
I am sure Bill feels making these video’s will do something, what more they will do than the ones already being made, who knows – I did my part and pitched in and I pitch in to a bunch to “get the message out” but I only have so much time in my day and don’t plan on watching more videos.
I am not giving anymore though, not until something like a plan to fund server facilities with their own internet backbone and payment processors so that people on the conservative side have a place they can host social media, e-commerce and media sites without worry of being destroyed by woke companies – that is something I could support or something like the website I mention above.
Absolutely, it is up to other people to solve this problem. I shouldn’t have to do anything, run for office myself or get involved in any way.
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sure, ridicule people just like the left does “shouldn’t have to do anything”… FFS people pay to use this site, that alone is “doing something”. I don’t think more video’s is going to do squat, I could be wrong, but I could be right.
Do you know if your local county jail honors ICE detainers? Have you called your county board and county sheriff to either urge them to do so if they no longer do or thank them for doing so if they already are?
Do you know if your county is a Second Amendment sanctuary? Do your county board members and sheriff know how you feel about that?
Is your county enforcing unconstitutional assaults on our unalienable rights in reaction to the Wuhan Virus? Have you asked them to provide the science that justifies them doing so if they are? Have you provided them with the studies demonstrating that restaurants have minimal impact on infection spread?
Are your local school boards enforcing mask mandates on children at school? Have you asked them to furnish the science that contradicts the multiple studies now demonstrating that children neither transmit nor become ill from the virus in statistically-meaningful numbers, if at all? Have you asked them to provide you with statistics regarding strep and bacterial infections like impetigo that masks exacerbate?
There’s a forum here for businesses to support. Have you looked at and/or added any suggestions?
Virtue is as virtue DOES. Please update us on the results of your efforts. Good luck!
I give quite a bit to fund people who “spread the word”, I have fought with teachers, school boards, I have written my local politicians as well as my state and federal politicians so before people want to “virtue signal” from their high horse maybe they should think about what I said – I don’t think making more video’s will work.I PAY to be on this website and send one time donations – alienate someone like me and the cause is lost. I will say it again, I don’t think more video’s will work and as an American I am allowed to hold that opinion whether you like it or not.
Great news, glad to hear it. I hope you continue your local advocacy, not only because liberty requires constant vigilance, but because, from my understanding of your original comment, you desired concrete suggestions on actions you can take, so I offered you some. Not intending to change your opinion; nor will you change mine that for America to reach its full promise, it must be a DIY sort of enterprise. The way I see it, waiting for top-down solutions while neglecting our part is what got us here.
“I was hoping to see something like a website”
This is what the forum is for.
“but I only have so much time in my day and don’t plan on watching more videos.”
As Bill stated in a previous video, he’s not preaching to the choir. He has his back to us, because he’s facing the 300+million congregation.
“not until something like a plan to fund server facilities with their own internet backbone and payment processors”
Bill also mentioned that he needs this money from us, to build a presence that draws in bigger funding opportunities. The more members and the more funding; the more he can approach people with the large cash investments who wouldn’t otherwise be interested without some decent membership and reach stats. It’s a tiered ramping system.
He is preaching to the choir. The forum is only for members and is not an outreach program or marketing tool to draw more members. He has increased membership and revenue and so far all he has mentioned doing with that is make virtue videos. We all know what is broken. No one from the Left is going to listen to him let alone get their minds changed. So, yes, he will always be preaching to the choir. We get it. Their needs to be a plan of action to do what he originally proposed to move back to America. You can defend him all you want. I am here because I like his ideas and was drawn to his passion to want to DO something as a movement/group. He has not delivered on that vow yet. I am not giving up in thinking he may have something in the works but at this rate there won’t be much left to save.
If these videos are to promote the values of our organization/platform then fine. Get a team to work marketing the videos to a larger audience and increase membership with a PLAN for what to do with that revenue. Purchase conservative email distribution lists with the increase in revenue and blast out information to increase members even more. Have teams build his brand on social media platforms like Parler (once back), Gab, Telegram, MeWe, Youmaker, etc. to spread the word. If that is the first step then let’s get moving on it and grow our numbers! He has the catalog, the resources (volunteer members) and now the revenue to expand his audience. But so far, all I have seen is videos to the same audience (yes – new members but probably those that have been watching but never signed up so not necessarily a new audience), a mention of an After Party with a drunk mascot. Not what I was expecting or what seems to be needed for real reform to begin.
I agree that Bill does need support with the tech side of social-media; or better still he needs to employ someone with social-media platform skills to complement his media skills. And I think that we can’t rely on him to do the groundwork of this people-driven platform; perhaps he needs a campaign manager of sorts; although the forum MB2A project is kind of that anyway.
After all, the videos are not supposed to be for the choir. Nor is the network effect of you going out there and making a difference. There are millions of people that are going to see the effects of widespread socialism and not like the consequences. These middle-ground moderates are swayable. We underestimate the influence that an individual can have on the society around them.:
https://akirathedon.bandcamp.com/track/more-important-than-you-think
The other part of the plan is to build a brand with decent membership stats, views and income in order to attract more income that can make the difference and implement large scale social change.
Once you have decent viewer numbers you can approach CEOs, investors etc and get them to take you seriously. I’ve seen this with youtube channels I follow that can now leverage their network to their own gain. Now You Know has an investors club now that actual directors of fast-growing companies will talk to; after just a few years of channel growth.
What’s with the raccoon and the After Party? I think it’s a method of encouraging you all to think outside the two party system. To bring a sense of fun and creativity to the process. There’s a reason Tesla is one of the most valuable companies in the world; and it has a lot to do with their attitude of playing hard, fast and fun. If you want America back, you’re going to need all three.
Hey Jack. Thanks for the discussion. I am not bashing what Bill has done so far but rather worried it is not going in the direction we all hope it should. I know we have to do our parts individually but I believe there is strength and numbers and we should try to increase Bill’s base through whatever means we can. He has captured my attention and inspired me to action and I want him to be able to reach million more. That is why I think he needs a plan to do so and I think he needs to focus on MB2A with his increase in membership funds. It’s why we all joined recently.
There is no quick fix – the schools, movies, MSM are all telling the kids their side and condemning the rest of us.
We NEED articulate people make the case for our positions.
As for ‘WE need to DO something ….’
YOU need to do something … You need to run for the school board, the sheriff, local government ….
Bill cannot run for the election board of every state in the nation – he can provide YOU with the motivation and intellectual tools to run yourself.
Granted, the virtue show had a slow start, but I am not going to be so quick to criticize because ‘I’ am to blame for what is going on …
Indeed.