The Democrats caucus debates COVID-19 relief checks for illegal immigrants and stands divided.
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Arguably if you are past the point of no return, the point of inevitable bankruptcy, then borrowing more, doubling down, spending like the shrewd steward in the bible works. Each side of politics has a plan B. The right wants a gold currency with a digital back end using blockchain. The left wants a globalized modern monetary theory solution that essentially morphs into a digital resource ration ticket system. Both are blocking the others solution.
Both sides are pumping money into medical R & D in the hopes of eliminating both illness and aging and thus eliminating the need for pensions. Some were pumping money into 3D printing and nano-technology in the hopes of creating the star trek economy.
Some see defense, the global policeman, as essential and what all other costs to go away but don’t know how to do so. They accept leftwing solutions out side defense as long as defense gets its money. These believe that a powerful nation can’t go bankrupt. The creditor country or population is out gunned. None dare foreclose on the superpower.
Some unimaginative politicians just want to push the bankruptcy onto the other parties first term to damage or destroy that other party.
It all looks like kicking the can as the can gets bigger but they have mandated that some pensions and other investment packages include government bonds so there will always be a captive buyer.
As if the government printing out trillions of dollars of play money to buy us off with isn’t bad enough.
The lure of free money and its inherent eventual dependency started way before 1974 but this show immediately brought to mind the 1974 song ‘The Royal Scam’ by Steely Dan, “Now the tale is told by the old man. Back home he reads the letter how they are paid in gold just to babble in the back room all night and waste their time.”
And speaking of welfare, I came across this NRO article yesterday, which highlights the issue that no matter how much we spend on “welfare”, the “welfare industry” does not allow that money to be counted as income so people remain “in poverty” by definition, no matter how much largess they manage to acquire or or given by the government.
See for example here for a summary: https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/02/biden-plan-ignores-the-real-problem-with-welfare/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=TUE_20210209&utm_term=Tuesday-Smart Biden Plan Ignores the Real Problem with Welfare [2/9/21]
Or here for a longer Heritage Foundation report (that I have not read yet): https://www.heritage.org/welfare/report/understanding-the-hidden-11-trillion-welfare-system-and-how-reform-it Understanding the Hidden $1.1 Trillion Welfare System and How to Reform It [4/5/18]
As our dollar inflated and inflated, and acquisitions and mergers previously priced in millions began being priced in billions (and now maybe trillions?), it occurred to me we really need to benchmark our expressions of $ amounts in consistent units. For federal government and national economic level budgeting and pricing, I suggest we stick with $billions.
We have a GDP of approx. $22,000 billions per year, and that is all the real sorta value money we have per year to do anything. If our government (in 2019) spends $4,448 billion while taking in $3,464 billion in tax revenue, we have some basis of relative understanding (maybe). We kinda sorta understand numbers like 1,000 or 20,000 because we spend those amounts for rent or cars, etc. But when you convert $1,900 billion into $1.9 T, it seems to be a smaller number that is not as serious, that seems “manageable” – but of course it still is very serious. It is the equivalent of buying almost 3 DOD’s, or 3 SS national payouts.
Per LG: Reality Is Not Optional — we are bankrupt! And that occurs first slowly, and then rapidly. I guess we are still in the “slowly” phase?
Illegal aliens should get nothing but an armed escort to the border of our country – if there still is one – and a swift kick in the butt to send them over it.
I have another gripe of oh so many – why is it feasible, reasonable, advisable, ha aha hahahah, to give tax-payer funded relief checks to anyone who is above the poverty line or already receiving a government check? And I literally mean ANYONE!
I have a sister who has received Social Security and medical benefits all her life because of developmental disability. Her government check provides for her basic needs with money left over. She is 73 years old, does not have an active life or needs that transcend food, shelter, clothing, except a very small amount of dental and entertainment expense. She receives Medicaid which pays for all of her health costs, which believe me, she is certainly not shortchanged in that area. She gets more health care than is healthy, in my opinion. Her out of pocket expenses are less than $20.00 a month. Between living expenses, assisted care and medical the federal and state government pays in excess of $100,000.00 a year on her behalf.
She has received two Covid relief checks totaling $1800.00. I am her Social Security Payee. I had to donate money to the Salvation Army to prevent her from losing her benefits, because that “relief” money put her over the threshold of the maximum amount of funds she can have at any one time.
The waste in government is shameful; I might even say it is evil.
This is for me. Does you sister live in a managed care home? If she does, who pays for that? If she lives at home, does the government pay her rent? You can send me an email by hovering you mouse over ‘Members’ (I think). I’m getting older and live at home now, but in a few more years one never knows. Thanks so much!
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Whole world: 7.8 billion population; $1400 per person is 10.92 quadrillion dollars; $2000 each …. 15.6 quadrillion dollars.
Turbo-charge those money printing machines….. Oprah would proud: $2k for you, $2k for you …..
I’ve been asking this for a while, but shouldn’t anyone here illegally, or for that matter a citizen of another country, be asking for a stimulus check from the government of the country of their citizenship?
Whenever I ask that I feel like Capt. Kirk in Star Trek V: “Excuse me. But if you’re God, why do you need a ship?”
That makes sense. Therefore, you must stop it immediately! We can’t have people making sense, it’s not allowed!😆
You sure your last name isn’t Mudd?
Harcourt Fenton Mudd – what have you been up to?
I don’t care how nice and well-meaning and hard-working they are , you can’t set the precedent that the whole world is entitled to our money.
Why not when the whole world relies on us for world peace, shipping lanes, and keeping us from having a nuclear war?
Good point, and with responsibility comes control. So I’m not saying we should rule the world, hell that would be more headache than it’s worth. I’m saying we need to figure out a way to tax or bill the world for services provided.
You just named the precise reasons that the world should be paying US!
We should present a bill for services rendered, back-dated to WWII.
“the whole world relies on us for world peace” – that is by design. Sometimes called Pax Americana. Started in 1944 with the Bretton Woods agreement to align the world to support the US against Soviets, and in return get protection by US military for defense and free commerce. With the fall of the Soviets, the Bretton Woods agreement needs reframing (perhaps focusing on China), or scrapping, or replacing.
What happens if Bretton Woods is replaced with a Chinese or Russian world hegemony? Will world commerce be protected? Will property rights be respected? Will Freedom perish?