Scott Ott got the shot this week — his first of two Pfizer-Moderna vaccinations — at a high school football stadium in Allen, Texas. What’s it really like to get that shot in the arm? Do Bill Whittle and Stephen Green plan to get theirs, and when?
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166 replies on “A Shot in the Arm: What It’s Really Like to Get the COVID-19 Vaccine in Texas”
I’m a bit disappointed in Scott and Steve. There seems to be a whole buy in on their part.
I’m all for vaccines, my kids and animals are all shot up. I’m a bit behind only because I hate needles (who doesn’t).
But I will not be taking this one for one main reason. There isn’t any way to know what the long term side effects are. Sure I’m not going to grow a third nipple or anything weird like that, but maybe a cancer from it becomes common or something else happens. I have too many years ahead of me for an unknown. I’m not in a big risk category yet, so I’ll wait to take a vaccine for a virus I’ve already had and am not afraid of.
Not getting the jab either. Far too many disturbing results. As others have said,why take a filthy injection designed to modify the DNA the Good Lord set me up with.
I am deeply disappointed in Scott. But he submitted to the diaper, so further compromise was coming. As for Steve, sorry to hear he has bought the fear porn too.
Been following since the trifecta days. Very sad indeed.
Some people are making some extraordinary–shall I say absurd–claims. I’d like to see these claims substantiated or revealed to be the absurd bullshit they are.
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, so I keep myself up to date on vaccines, kept my son up to date on vaccines, and keep my dog up to date on vaccines. I have an uncle who survived polio and have seen dogs die from distemper and parvo. Rabies has no cure and it is still with us. Losing piglets to scours can come at a high cost and is unnecessary because there is a vaccine that can be given to the gestating sow and that will provide antibodies to the piglets until they are weaned. I think it’s stupid not to use vaccines.
However, I will not be getting this covid vaccine because I find the politics surrounding it suspect and unsavory and I see no need. SARS Co2 is not a disease that I am afraid of.
If you haven’t yet gotten the shot, DON’T! Until you listen to this.
https://huffduffer.com/jckoepkeweb/604758
YT video removed for TOS violation… the others require account.
This link isn’t to the YT video.
Ah, overlooked the audio player at the bottom.
Interesting, this doc claims the J&J vaccine has the spike protein in the adenovirus vector. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/health/johnson-johnson-covid-19-vaccine.html article claims it has DNA. It’s unclear whether it integrates in the cell or not.
They can’t be both right, but several other articles point to the latter. That one is indeed more than scary and I suggest to hard pass on it.
edit:
https://hive.rochesterregional.org/2021/03/johnson-and-johnson-covid-vaccine
states it can’t integrate but without pointing to any evidence or even a hint how it was gained or even looked after.
The J&J vaccine does put the DNA into the nucleus of the cell, but A. it has no Integrase, so it can’t actually put it into the chromosomes so that it gets replicated when the cell splits through mitosis, and B. any cell that gets that DNA sequence will be killed by the immune system once it’s figured out that the spike protein is something that it needs to deal with, so it won’t stick around after the immune system figures it out.
Yeah, but that spike protein might be necessary and if you build an immunity to it then you could be eradicating important biological elements. Here is what the now retired main researcher for Pfizer (Dr. Wodarg) said about it:
That has been debunked and the threat to human fertility disproved. You should actually go read the published papers instead of passing along nonsense you found on social media. MIT has a great refutation of this unfounded rumor, had you looked you would have found it in minutes and avoided posting nonsense in here.
Strangely enough, below you talk about believing things unquestioningly and then here you are providing a prime example of that very same dysfunction.
Did it occur to you that people who say that the C19 vaccination program is going to turn us all into zombies are getting an inordinate amount of social media attention, often to their own great profit? That exactly the same phenomena drives that as drives perfectly good climate scientists to lie and falsify data to get published and attain professional recognition?
How about that for every highly unlikely scenario like the one you irresponsibly repeated here there might be some information from some reliable source out there that you might responsibly check before posting something like that?
How about the possibility that the “retired main researcher for Pfizer” has an axe to grind with his former employer? Or that he’s out of the loop on C19 vaccine development and really has no useful knowledge about it at all? Or that after a lifetime of being a High Mucky-Muck at Pfizer he cannot accept fading off into obscurity and is striving to maintain some grasp on relevance and notoriety?
Or do you only question the things that do not support your own confirmation bias?
Seriously, I am trying to help you achieve a balanced and valid view. If a thousand well educated, well informed people of exemplary integrity say the vaccine is safe and present actual proof of why that is so — And one retired old fuddy duddy from one company says it’s gonna turn your Momma into a Zombie and your kids will never have kids so the human race is doomed … Why do you believe that one guy without checking things out for yourself?
Above I mentioned that MIT, a very prestigious and accredited university, had published a refutation of the silly rumor you’re repeating here. It’s not a hard thing to understand and it’s gawd-awful easy to find. MIT has NOTHING to gain from promoting the C19 vaccines at all, they have no skin in the game. Running down the facts isn’t that hard to do and you need to learn to do that so you don’t look like a nincompoop all unawares.
Because … I’m sure you mean well and you’re a person of integrity yourself. However, when you do this kind of thing you make yourself look like a screwball and that’s not fair to you now, is it?
Amazing that conservatives and libertarians can witness day after day the media lying about everything and the corrupted science of things like climate change and then fully believe everything those same institutions are saying about injecting an experimental concoction into your body. I guess it is still going to have to get a whole lot worse before real change happens.*sigh*
You’re making some rather strange assumptions there.
If we “can witness day after day the media lying about everything and the corrupted science of things like climate change and then fully believe everything those same institutions are saying about injecting an experimental concoction into your body” … then by that logic, being as you put up such a wide umbrella, nothing is ever believable from any source. Because it’s certainly not the same academic people lying about climate change that are promoting the C19 vaccine.
That’s the old liars paradox. If everything Joe says is a lie, then Joe says “I’m lying” … I’m sure you’re bright enough to get the rest.
As far as the government goes, if you don’t test what they say to see if it’s valid or not, that’s your own fault. It’s not like humankind hasn’t been aware for millennia that governments lie.
So what makes you think that everyone who has decided the vaccine is safe, or at least safe enough, is unlike you horribly deceived by “media lying … and corrupted science …”? Do you have some secret font of unequivocal truth you’d care to share with us poor stupid deceived people? Or do you just go by what the media and corrupted scientists say and then do the opposite? Do you really think we’re all stupid except for you?
You know that I was going to seriously debate this, but seeing your other reply to my other comment I can see that you are just a sophist using all of the typical rhetorical wizardry that sophists use. Like strawman arguments, package deal arguments, character assassination to reframe the point that I was actually making to something that you can project and then tear down in some sort of heroic fashion.
I seek the truth and skepticism and cynicism are essential elements to that. Asking people to take time and think about extremely important decisions such as their health is an important buffer to irrationally impetuous behavior based on fear.
We would never be friends in real life so I don’t expect any Gentleman’s Agreement on here. Thanks for taking the time to try to discredit me, but I am certainly not persuaded.
Wow, you wound me to the quick … OK, not really. I could say all those things about your posts too, saying them does not make them so no matter which of us does it. That cool string of rhetorical wizardry you posted is a fine example. I’m quite familiar with all those tactics and deny committing them. I re-read what I posted just to be sure and I don’t see it.
If you don’t want to refute what I say, that’s fine with me but it’s a little disingenuous of you to try to accuse me by doing your own self the very thing of which you accuse me — In awkward attempt to avoid actually providing any counter points. Or maybe you don’t even realize you did that … I’ve seen that tactic a lot when people realize their nonsense has been exposed and try to escape under cover thereof. It’s the old ‘If you can’t dazzle ’em with brilliance then baffle ’em with bullshit’ maneuver and it’s a bit trite of you to try to pull that one off.
Not to mention it’s intellectually dishonest because if you actually know what all those things are (… rhetorical wizardry that sophists use … strawman arguments … package deal arguments … etc.) then you’d know I didn’t do them.
What I did was attack the validity of what you said with factual counterpoints. Then I spent a great deal of effort on the “skepticism and cynicism” that you claim to admire so much by your own account when you said …
I agree with that 100%. What I do not agree with is your implication that everyone who gets vaccinated does so out of ignorant fear.
In fact, in my reply to your other post that you’re referring to, I devoted several paragraphs to examples of skepticism and cynicism. Which is why I cannot understand, if you seek truth and use skepticism etc. why you would post something so completely numpty-headed and invalid as you did? The thing about the C19 virus being a threat to human fertility I mean. The thing you didn’t bother to seek truth or be skeptical or cynical about before you repeated it as if it were a fact and the source of the citation was somehow irrefutable. Here, let me refresh your memory —
That thing, remember that? Did you check up and seek truth, apply skepticism and and cynicism to that? Are you aware that’s not a concern and why? If you did all of that, then why in the hell did you post it?
As for any nonsense about some sort of Gentleman’s Agreement on here, that’s just semantically null and irrelevant. I’m sorry if you mistook some sort of agreement being implicit between us but I assure you we have no such pact. I offer no quarter and ask none. If I think you said something dumb I am going to take you to task for it, if I feel like doing so. In this case I do.
You’re welcome to do the same, in fact I expect you to. If I say something stupid I expect to be called on it and if it’s stupid enough I deserve whatever ridicule ensues. However, when instead of refuting my points, which I’m betting by now you know are indeed irrefutable, you choose to cower behind accusations over my method of delivery then …
You sir, are no gentleman at all. Thus your claim to entitlement to any gentleman’s agreement is void.
Here’s what I think, and me saying it doesn’t make it a fact anymore than what you said about me employing rhetorical sophistry is a fact. But I’ll say it anyway and let the other readers decide who’s got it right —
You read something that sounded scary, somewhere, probably on social media, and posted it here without even looking into it any further. It fit solidly and comfortably in your own confirmation bias and required zero skepticism on your part. As it turned out, it not only isn’t a concern, it was easy to refute it as an issue but you didn’t bother to do that. I did and called you on it. Now you’re trying to cover up the ass you showed in doing that by trying to use the very tricks you accused me of.
Or hey, I’ve got an idea. Why don’t you try the old “TL;DR” copout to get yourself off the hook? That might just work and it’s a tactic I’d expect judging from your behavior so far. You might as well try it, at this point you have nothing to lose anyway.
No matter what, I have soundly debunked the idea that we’re going to end the human race by getting the C19 vaccine — And that was my purpose in responding to you.
Gentlemen,
Good luck with your modified RNA autoimmunity syndrome therapy! With a 99.9% chance of living why do we need a vaccine with a nearly 100% chance of survival? None of you brought that up. I am beginning to think you are losing your edge and judgment?? To clarify, old school vaccines that you wax eloquently about used dead proteins and your immune system created a response and built its own immunity. This injects pre-programmed RNA ( modified) into your system so that your body for the rest of your life actually creates covid protein for your immune system to fight off, that is called an autoimmune disorder medically. Bill, there are tons and tons of videos from epidemiologist from around the world explaining what is wrong with this vaccine. Are you aware that moderna has only been around for less than a decade and it stands for Modified RNA ( moderna). Between the suggestion from you guys that mask work ( which the cdc has come out and stated they are 99.5% INEFFECTIVE!) to now this and I am beginning to think you are getting your stories from CNN!
The injected mRNA only produces the virus proteine until it is dissolved, that is a handful of days. Where did you get the idea of the whole life?
While the vaccine has plenty of attached concerns, it would be nice to talk about those instead of pure BS. Isn’t butchering the science by Fauci and his goons enough without adding to it?
No, the mRNA will be cleared out of your system in under a week, and you’ll stop producing those spikes. It also stands for Messenger RNA, not Modified, because it’s the kind of RNA that your nucleus sends out to tell the cell to produce a certain protein. It’s used several times to produce those proteins, then it falls apart. The immune reaction is the same as if a virus infects the cell, after all, it’s your cell producing the viruses, so those cells that are producing the viruses are destroyed by the immune system, and the cells producing the spike proteins are destroyed the same way. The mRNA vaccines are self limiting, unlike the viruses though, because they do not produce more mRNA strands, nor lipid envelopes to transport them. They only produce spikes.
This is an interesting subject and there appear to be a number of arguments to be made such as: The need for a vaccine with a low mortality rate or the side effects of a vaccine to the body. Then there is the power of government to do things like mandate vaccines topic. Things that should all be weighed and discussed thoroughly before making a decision to vax or not vax.
“The FBI is telling me what I can see and Nazi…”
A little quip / mishearing / joke that ran through my head as Bill spoke.
When I heard Bill mention that he didn’t think the coronavirus vaccines would modify his DNA because “that’s not how vaccines work”, I remembered this video about how the definition of “vaccine” has been changed to include these new shots, which are not vaccines as we used to know them. These would be the Moderna and Pfizer shots. From what I understand, the Johnson & Johnson shot is more of a traditional vaccine. https://odysee.com/@SarahCorriher:6/Dictionary_Redefines_Vaccine_Wrongthink:4
While it’s indeed sad what happens to the language and how important terms like “literal” or “racist” flipped to the exact opposite, what’s the fuss about vaccine?
IIRC it originates from vaccinia, that is bovine pox virus and infecting by it was used to fight smallpox. So it was one specific strain of living virus.
From that is eventually shifted to the goal (providing a pack of antigens into the body to induce antibody producetion) instead of the specific tactic. If you go with the tactics the WB text already flawed for decades as it does not mention subpart vaccines. And instead of adding any new discovered tactic a better fix would have been just scrap the examples.
What I don’t think people realize is that the phizer and moderna shots aren’t a vaccine.. the mrna technique makes it an experimental genetic therapy. The J&J one is not that one, but it is made from aborted fetal tissues.
I know a lot of people I care about who have gotten this shot and I truly hope that there are no adverse reactions. But it is a brand new, non-fda approved shot and we’re treating the whole world as test subjects.
The scariest part of all to me is Scott’s description of how organized the process was. Right behind that was the “adverse reaction” waiting place.
Well, there is also the phone (tracking) app and personalized (identifying) QR code in the mix.
Tell me, Scott, did you read all of the fine print before heading to this assembly line? Have you read the tome you were given while you were there?
It astonishes me that in the past year there has been no hesitation to assign every sickness and every death as COVID. On the other hand, there is an overwhelming reluctance to assign adverse reactions or deaths to having received the “vaccine”. RIP, Hank Aaron.
Marvin Hagler’s died after taking the vaccine as well.
Trust is earned. COVID-19, Russiagate, and Voter Fraud have eroded what little trust there was left in faceless, impersonal, sudo-entity, that is the “scientist” and “undisclosed source” of information.
First the science of vaccine’s is not the issue. It’s the controlling entity and decision making factor that is suspect.
It’s not a conspiracy theory to believe that there are some sudo-entities in this world whom have committed grand secretive schemes like those mentioned above.
What better way to “remove/control” the deplorable conservatives than to have them line up, verify it is them and give them the “conservative” injection. The information that is filtered to billions of people is targeted to them specifically. How hard would it be to arrange this type of management of resources, when the left is in control of the production, distribution, allocation, and authorization?
These are the same people that have held (2) separate impeachment hearings, and spent millions of dollars investigating their fraud.
What makes anyone trust this system?
Dr. Fauci as part of the NIH that approved of multiple grants, spanning many years, supporting this labs efforts in researching this suspected source of COVID-19. Now he has been overseeing all the official information regarding this virus. Amazingly there has been no direct link found to tie COVID-19 as coming from this lab in China. Talk about letting the fox guard the hen house.
This is just one story there are many more, and the disinformation is just as proliferate. Remember search results are suspect, but even the debunking stories admits this all to be true.
Link to funding of Wuhan Lab by NIH Grants from the US:
https://nypost.com/2021/02/21/wuhan-lab-at-heart-of-covid-outbreak-may-get-more-us-funding/
They just opened it up for everyone here because everyone in the group that had priority that wanted to get it, had already, so now I’ve had my first dose.
My wife and I went to our doctor and asked about the Covid shot. He said he wasn’t getting the shot. They rushed through the trial period too fast and he wants to see further testing before he promotes the health benefits. We have no plans to get any variations of the vaccine at this time.
Alternatively, the normal FDA approval process is antiquated and it leans way too far towards an unattainable goal of perfect safety.
Many factors went into producing the C19 shot as fast as it has been developed, none of them are haphazard or add to material danger of the vaccine. Rather than tests and trials being done in series they were done in parallel. More money went into this than any other vaccine developed in history, that alone speeded things up by an order of magnitude as labs didn’t have to apply for, wait and finally get limited funding approvals.
The mumps vaccine held the previous record for rapid development and public distribution. That took 4 years. If the effort was made on the mumps vaccine that was made on the C19 vaccine the mumps shot would have taken about as long as the COVID shot has.
And guess what? I bet your doctor isn’t going around telling people not to get vaccinated for mumps.
If my doctor said to me what your doctor told you and gave the same reasons, I’d be looking for a new doctor because the old one isn’t worth a damn.
I got the shot. It took me a while to come to terms with it. However to visit my 90/88 year old parents at their senior apartment complex, I must show my vaccine card. The senior complex management has done a very good job of managing Covid, so I’ll give their requirements some respect.
I did not want to get the vaccine at a pharmacy, county bus garage, grocery store (all options offered to me at some point). I was able to coordinate my vaccination through my oncologist. She was happy that I did. I am glad that I did. In the weeks following a Covid vaccination, they are seeing some FALSE POSITIVES on cancer screenings like PET scans, CT scans and for women, on mammograms. If you are a cancer patient keep this in mind.
I heard the same regarding cancer screenings on a local show that has been partnering with a University Hospital locally. I don’t recall if they suggested postponing the shot or just being aware of potential issues like that and making sure your doc knew you had a shot.
Now I’m thinking I made a mistake signing up as a paying viewer yesterday. Especially when Stephen lectures me that, “It’s just smart, it’s the right thing to do.”
Stephen, you cannot know if it’s smart or the right thing to do. We’ve been told to wear a mask and social distance even after receiving the shot. So how can y’all have so much confidence in it?
And who knows if the current shot covers all the different strains of the virus that we have heard about? You cannot know for certain that you are immune after taking this vaccine. Plus, this virus has a, what, 99.9% survival rate? Seems silly to inject an unknown substance into your body for that and for all the unknowns.
God gave me an immune system that I am relying on, even at 67 years old. And if that doesn’t protect me, then “absent from the body, present with the Lord.” So be it.
It’s Steve’s opinion. I come here to hear and read multiple views so that I can learn and sort out the best option for me. Best for me may not be best for you. Good Luck with your choice.
Of course it’s his opinion, but it’s wrong for a self-proclaimed conservative to tell me I’m not smart and I’m doing the wrong thing if I don’t get this shot. That’s what nanny liberals do. And besides all that, it seems some of these vaccines were produced with the use of aborted baby cells. At least that’s been reported to be so. Just one more reason not to get it. If only the virus would have been allowed to run its course from the beginning, herd immunity would have eliminated most of the risk way before now. Instead, they only kicked the can down the road for over a year and prolonged the fear mongering, along with the economic agony of many.
I think it’s a huge stretch of logic to assert that Steve’s statement that “[i]t’s just smart, it’s the right thing to do” is somehow saying that you’re “not smart and” that you’re “doing the wrong thing if I don’t get this shot.”
Someone having a differing opinion makes him no less conservative. Conservatism is a principled political position that fundamentally insists that we conserve the principles of the Constitution and related Founding documents. To claim that all Conservatives must maintain and project the same opinions is anathema to such principles.
We don’t ride the identity politics bandwagon here. If we did I’d be banned or have to leave voluntarily.
Holeykreist, 6 people up voted this.:O
I particularly don’t want my 16 year-old daughter taking an experimental vaccine that might result in her someday giving birth to something resembling Zaphod Beeblebrox.
But, but, but … I thought that tall, blond heart throb was all the rage. Who cares if he was retarded moron? </sarc>
Smart enough to steal the Heart of Gold, right?
Even a mindless sheep knows to chase the feed bucket.
Gents, count me among those not interested in taking an experimental vaccine (and the RNA vaccines are experimental) with no long-term track record for a virus with a 98% survival rate (and even higher for my age category). I’ll take my chances with the virus.
I have to say that I am really disappointed with you three on this issue and to use Polio as your justification that vaccines are good is absurd. Polio disappeared at the same time that we stopped using DDT….coincidence? I think NOT! I believe they knew that DDT was causing serious health problems and decided instead of coming clean and paying out millions in damages to give it the name “Polio”, come up with a “vaccine” and make millions on the jab. Brilliant!
As far as I understand on this mRNA vaccine, the kill shot will come in a year or two when you come into contact with the virus and your immune system kicks into overdrive when it detects it in your DNA and attacks your tissues. You will die from organ failure.
As for me, I will not take it! God gave me an immune system and I will rely on that instead of turning to these money junkies!
There’s no integrase or reverse transcriptase in the vaccine, so there’s no way for it to get into your DNA. The mRNA will get into a subset of your cells and produce the spike proteins, then eject them from the cell, then the immune system will detect it, and kill all of the cells that have the mRNA in them, and the vaccine should be completely out of your system within a week, with the only change being that you have antibodies targeted for the virus spike protein.
Polio was eradicated because of Jonas Salk.
Had the China flu…Not taking the gene manipulation therapy. No way! TY. Lord.
It’s not gene manipulation therapy. To actually change genes you need something that modifies the DNA, and they have added no such proteins to the vaccine. There’s no Crispr proteins for targeting gene sequences and removing them, and there’s no Integrase proteins for integrating new gene sequences into DNA. Even if there had been Integrase, it would need a second protein since it’s an mRNA vaccine called Reverse Transcriptase to turn that mRNA into DNA before Integrase could even begin working.
This mRNA is just like the mRNA that your nucleus produces to generate any random protein you might need in your body. It’s temporary and is destroyed quickly after it produces the spike proteins. It’s just using your cells to produce the vaccine proteins that they used to make a specialized lab for in older vaccines.
This way they only need one kind of factory to produce any kind of mRNA for whatever vaccine proteins that would be needed, instead of a special factory for each flu vaccine, and another special factory for the MMR vaccine, etc.
Steve, you state it is the right thing to do to get the vaccine. You are entitled to your opinion. I hold a contrary opinion. Nuf said.
Steve also stated you’re not smart if you don’t take it.
Can you give the time stamp in the video when he says this?
I do understand and respect the concerns of some people in this thread about the Wuhan vaccine, however modern medicine has a pretty good track record so I’m going to go with that and keep my fingers crossed.
Also, being vaccinated is kind of a precondition for me to visit my grand kids in Texas (their father has some extenuating health issues) so I’m willing to gamble that I’ll be o.k. to placate my daughter.
My wife and I were lucky enough to get both of our shots (Pfizer) relatively early in the process and neither of us has had any adverse affects.
Not an anti-vaxer, but the rushed vaccine fiasco from 1976 gives me pause. Me and my wife are both passing on this new rushed vaccine.
Good point! The old timers use to say that only those who were vaccinated died from the Spanish Flu. Don’t get the vaccine they would say! History seems to be repeating!!
The “old timers” used to say that Sputnik caused the weather to change too.
Careful about listening to “old time” logic, information increases over time, it does not decrease. I’m an old timer and even I know not to trust what my age group and older tout — because wisdom only comes with age when those years are stacked on education and intelligence. An old fool is still just a dumb-bunny that’s seen a lot of birthdays.
The only thing rushed about it was the bureaucracy around it. These vaccines have been in development since right after the first SARS virus, they just dropped in the new spike protein by April, then started the normal amount of trials that all medicines go through. After the trials, instead of waiting until every bit of the data was available to start reviewing it, they reviewed it as they went so that they could get through the bureaucracy faster.
Meh… sell outs. So disappointed on this one. Actually promoting one of the vaccines. To all three: I personally don’t care to know if you are getting the vaccine or why, more power to you if you do.
The real question and debate is whether it should be mandatory, which is the real threat. Will you be ready to say no to it now that you have it? would you care?
I came to this sites to listen principle discussions. Not about promotions of a vaccine for a disease with less than a 1% mortality rate and when real therapeutics have been hidden or denied to the general public by the same government and communities that are giving it to you and you praise so much in this RA.
“You’re killing me, Smalls”
Listening to these three “debate” if a vaccine should be mandatory would be a very short episode. Clearly they would fall on the side of personal responsibility as they have for a decade.
While it is true that for people under 65 and in reasonably good health the mortality rate is <1% (<0.01% for elementary school aged kids) it can make you pretty sick. I personally know more than 50 people who were knocked down pretty good by this. Several (who are in way better condition than I am) had their butts kicked for more than 2 weeks. I’d rather not get that ill, so yes I got the shot. Same as the flu shot which I have taken for 30 years, since the last time I got the flu and was laid up for over a week. Haven’t had it since.
The only ones I know that have died after getting this particular virus have been over 75 and already in poor health. But it can make you pretty sick even if younger.
You are making my point… with all due respect, I don’t care whether people take it or not, nor their motives for their decisions. I think you could guess where my opinion is on it but I don’t feel the need to explain myself for it.
What concerns me is the real threat to making it mandatory. not just by the government but society in general. The concern to not being able to fly, attend public venues/concerts/events, for not having it. Should that be allowable?
Such measures are plain forced vaccination. I wonder if/where have we seen that before?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Code
I would like to add that it’s not just whether the shots are mandatory. There should not be social pressure to take this experimental “vaccine”. I put the quotes around the word vaccine because to call this a vaccine is to redefine the word.
We have no clue to the long term consequences of this “vaccine”. I have seen many people seemingly relieved that they got it. I hope the rush into this does not bite us all hard.
There’s social pressure around everything. Human existence is permeated with social pressure, it goes with being genus Homo Sapiens. From brushing your teeth to getting your car washed now and then to which deodorant you use and lots and lots of things more important than those. If you want that “there should not be social pressure” applied about this vaccine you’re living in a different world than the rest of us.
Now what you do with and about that social pressure is another matter entirely. It’s still a free country, for the moment, mostly, so get vaccinated or not as you see fit and ignore the social pressure or not likewise according to your own tenets.
On the mandatory question there was a nice debate between Barnes and Dershowitz. i don’t think staging a lower quality variant would be productive. 🙂 On the other side didn’t we have enough demonstration that such debates and good arguments are worth less than zero these days… masks, lockdowns go all against both sense and constitution still around for a good year and not even hated enough by the population to drop all leaders into the latrine.
Sounds like you’re saying we should then give it up and accept these will become mandatory… “move along, nothing to see here”? Why argue?
The usual dead wrong conclusions.
Also the “We must do something — X is something — therefore we must do X” antipattern.
Excellent point well stated. It’s quite refreshing when you make sense. What country to you live in, Pal Balrog?
Doesn’t sound like that to me. It sounds to me like you’re trying to put those words in someone else’s mouth and then argue with them over what you yourself said.
That is much too good for the recent batches. They are accustomed to swamp stink, so it is likely they will either escape the pit or continue business as usual. I suggest we hire a SpaceX fleet to launch them all into the Sun.
Where has any U.S. facet of government, from local to state to federal, made it mandatory to get a COVID vaccination?
That people are being compelled by law is news to me. I just did a quick search and can’t find an instance of that anywhere. Please do enlighten us, with verifiable information.
Specific to your question, no, nothing out there yet that says we must get it.
I think the concern is still valid though. Across the country masks were made mandatory, and so did lockdowns. The push to have every single citizen vaccinated is real, so would the threat to make it mandatory if all citizens don’t comply voluntarily?
Right now you cannot get on a plane if you don’t wear a mask. Is the concern of airlines next step to demand you’d be vaccinated to fly way off?
Would that be enough verifiable information?
Yeah, that’s what I thought. You called the guys “sell outs” because they didn’t discuss the topic YOU wanted them to discuss.
That’s just chickenshit. You can discuss whatever you like and obviously this is something you want to talk to people about, because you’re hitting on me to get a discussion going along that line.
That doesn’t make Bill, Scott and Steve “sell outs” for not discussing things you wanted to discuss or the way you wanted to discuss them.
Lift your game a little, this isn’t YouTube, Facebook or Twitter.
OK billwhittle.com mom. I don’t get the chickenshit part. Calling them “sell outs” for promoting a vaccine, which is exactly what they did in the article, I think is well deserved.
I find it humorous you’d be more offended by me expressing that and disregard everything else I’ve expressed, which is what this whole board thing supposed to be about anyways.
I don’t think I have any “game” hidden or anything like that. I think I was pretty clear on my opinion about the article and what I would hope they would discuss instead. After all that’s what paying customers should do, right? otherwise how else would they know what’s of interest, at least, to this mere subscriber.
And by the way, I think Bill, Steve, and even Scott (he does make me wonder sometimes), have way thicker skin than your do and I’d like to believe that my little “chickenshit” jive to them provides more consideration to future topics.
In the words of Dr. Faucci “Take a chill pill, or two… or don’t take any at all, because of science!” I’m sure I got the quotation wrong, but hope you get the point.
None of that nonsense changes a single thing I said.
Well I’m glad this exchange was constructive. Onward!
YYSSW …
THUNK!
OK, that scared me a little… I had to search it… whew! Though I’m sure we’re not enemies, I call truce.
The abbreviation was a common text series and the “thunk” was an inside joke you’re not privy to. Truce approved and respected.
That is so white privilege…
See? I can make jokes too…
[smiley face]
xxoo
PS Yes, I know I suck at jokes. It’s all about reps.
cheers
Think nothing of it, I love being the brunt of racist jokes, doesn’t everyone?
Thanks. And my apologies to you. I salute you.
My sister got the #Jab, and suffered for it with a terrible rash all over her body.
For those of you who doubt that this whole scamdemic wasn’t set up in advance, have a look:
Moderna boss: mRNA jabs are “rewriting the Genetic Code” we call it “information therapy” (Ted 2017)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU-cqTNQhMM
Moderna was jointly developing this tech with DARPA.
https://www.c4isrnet.com/industry/2020/04/07/how-past-investments-positioned-darpa-to-take-on-coronavirus/
So … Your sister’s rash never went away, huh? Interesting. I hope she did the responsible thing and reported that as a side effect.
So … Because it’s on the internet it must be true, right? There’s a Ted Talk that claims people get a thing called “EHS” or “electromagnetic hypersensitivity syndrome”. Something there is no sound medical evidence for and that has never, in spite of a lot of money and time invested by researchers, been proven to exist. Yet the Ted Talker claims to be a victim of it. That page is full of poor, deluded psychosomatic victims bemoaning a non-existent thing and thereby refusing to get help for their mental problems. Ted Talks are not canonical and sometimes they’re not even helpful. In this case this particular Ted Talk is downright harmful.
Oh no! Not the dreaded, evil DARPA demon! (Running around screaming!!!)
So … You do realize that DARPA was responsible for the invention of the internet, right? Not the worldwide web, that was Tim Berners-Lee. The internet. You couldn’t even talk to us on this web page if it were not for the efforts at DARPA to pioneer internetworking. DARPA has brought us quite a few miracles of technological science. Involvement by DARPA is not necessarily a bad thing nor does it automatically prove evil intent.
I’ll do you the courtesy of going to watch those two videos and we’ll see if I get the same impression from them as you do. If I have any more to say on the matter I’ll come back and say it. If not, what I said above stands as is.
I’ve read about Moderna doing gene therapy before, but these vaccines aren’t that. Those involved actually encoding a CRISPR protein in the mRNA, so that the cells generate the CRISPRs that modify the genes. that technology isn’t ready yet though, and only the delivery mechanism is related.
Exactly the point. That’s actual “gene therapy” and this vaccine is not that.
There’s too much nonsense flying around the internet, and in here at BillWhittle.com, generated by people who have little or no grasp of the science and are convinced they know something because one thing sounds vaguely like another.
Trolling is not an actual argument.
I’m surprised to see it on this forum, but alas…
You’ll get a lot farther without the jagged knife….
How is agreeing with what Keith Thomson said “trolling”? Or are you replying to my earlier comment addressed to you not Keith, which makes me think you really don’t know much about how “this forum” works?
There’s a “reply” button at the end of my post, see it? You click that if you want to reply to a specific thing someone says. If you just tack your reply on at the end of the thread no one knows exactly what you’re replying to. There, now you’re educated a bit more than you were before and for free. You’re welcome.
Unless you clear that up I can’t be certain you’re addressing what I said to you or what I said to Keith. Just for the record, I agree with what Keith said. I’ve read a bit of what he has to say and he’s very informed on this topic, something you clearly lack.
I was going to say more but I’ll wait for you to clear up exactly what you’re replying to. I don’t see any “trolling” in what I said so go ahead and explain that to me while you’re at it.
Just because you say something is “trolling” doesn’t make it so. What part of what I said was “trolling”? I think you’re hiding behind that word to cover up the silly things you’re trying to advance in your original post and to try to stifle my free speech. I’m not at all surprised to see that anywhere on the internet, including here on BillWhittle.com.
If you think that derision aimed at the silly things you said is “trolling” then I plead guilty as charged. If you think you can come in here, where there are a lot of well educated, well informed people — Spouting nonsense with impunity and everyone is somehow compelled to eat your drek and be nice about it while acting like they like it … You are sorely mistaken.
Yeah, it seems like my comment got inserted between yours and his, and he was actually replying to you.
… which proves he doesn’t understand how this kind of thing works and is no where near as smart as he’d like people to believe he is.
7th grade doth not escape you….
I find it hard to believe that people would actually joint this forum to troll others. Sad…
Did you know that you won’t have issues if you don’t subscribe to them?
Let me know when I’m not living rent free in your head….
Toodles.
YYSSW. As per your established pattern, nothing but semantically null babble.
Keith Thomson tried to discuss this with you like an informed adult below. Show us how brilliant you are and how firm your grasp is of the topic by replying to him in kind. Reply with a genuine counterargument that supports your position … I’m betting you can’t but — Go for it, let’s see you strut your stuff.
Because if you don’t that would be an obvious admission that I’m right about you and it would be an admission that everyone else can see. Clearly. Whether you admit it to yourself or not.
Your silence on the matter of an honest, no-shit adult attempt to treat you like a peer and a grownup will tell us all that you tucked your tail between your legs and ran. Which means I’m right about you and I’m giving you all the consideration you deserve by ridiculing what you say about this subject.
You haven’t presented an actual argument, you only posted a couple links and made some generic noise about things it seems clear you don’t understand. No one’s holding you back so by all means step up to the plate …
You’re up, Sport. Backup your hogwash with facts, I dare you.
Oh stop. “You are a troll (for challenging my claims)! says the karen.
That’s a tactic we’re all well acquainted with. Substitute “racist” for “troll” and voila! We have heard it all before.
“You’ll get a lot farther without the jagged knife….”
Says the person alleging others are trolling.
For most of my childhood, it was the environmentalists and socialists pushing anti-scientific stuff, like the Anti-vaccine, Malthusian population bomb, Anti-nuclear, global cooling, de-development, back to nature romanticism etc. All kinds of pseudoscientific mystical mumbo jumbo.
To see the conservatives falling prey to some of this sort of thing (Antivax and Anti-5g) like used to be the domain of Anti-GMO vegan leftists is a bit alarming. I hope that stuff isn’t the thin end of the wedge.
There are emotionally ignorant people on all sides of the spectrum. It’s easier than doing the actual work of researching facts.
I’m afraid it’s a little bit past the thin edge of the wedge. I do a lot of IT work and I’ve been active in the industry off and on for a long time. I have gone from BBS’s to these modern day forums and it has been my experience that these crazy, and they are most definitely batshit crazy, pseudoscience weirdos have adopted conservatism (and anywhere else they’re allowed to take root) as their home.
I’ve seen quite a number of websites overwhelmed and sunk by these people. They trickle in and seem to be conservative but a bit edgy about it.
Eventually they reach critical mass and every post is about how secret government alien tech is being used to mind control the gophers and overthrow the golfers. The Lizard People rule the world secretly disguised as humans, the government is executing a mind control and population reduction (and possibly global cooling) program by aerosol release in jet engine exhausts (called “chemtrails”). Chemtrails are supposedly made by aerosolization of barium and aluminum compounds yet the people advancing this crap don’t have any clue of scale or global markets and don’t understand that for such a thing to have even the tiniest effect would use up so much aluminum and barium that it would crash global markets in those resources. HAARP, a minor, de-funded, closed program is currently controlling global weather, they even post pictures of “HAARP clouds” …
Etc. I could go on and on and on about these nuts. They don’t all support every pseudo-scientific theory but most of them support many crackpot theories as though they were established fact.
Like this Erin guy just assuming that “we all know and agree that DARPA is the home of The Prince of Darkness”. Of course when I challenged that he calls me a troll, which is just a silencing mechanism like calling someone a racist. You’ll notice that they use the exact same tactics the Left uses, a lot.
I do think he’s cute in his sissy little blue beret though. “Cute” as in precocious and presumptuous, not something I would have respect for. Not cute like a puppy, cute like sassy child.
Their pseudo-science and conspiracy hogwash is nonsense and should be treated and reviled as such. They count on people being nice and not confronting them to slide up the amplitude until they’re all that’s commenting and the stupids drive the smart people away. Eventually they collapse the website and then move on to the next victim.
There are a couple of hard science websites where I used to have the most amazing discussions with other people. Really intelligent people who were well educated and well informed on hard science topics. Then these bastards swooped in and within two years you couldn’t get a decent discussion going because they’d poke their bullshit in and the people you were trying to talk to would just withdraw. Then there was the stupids and no one else.
That not only can happen here, it will happen here if we let it. This is a relatively new place and a bastion of rational thought and logical argument. They’ll find this site and we’ll lose it to them if we’re not careful and vigilant.
I’m not going to be nice to those people. I tried that a long time ago. They can try to shut me up by calling me a troll all they want, it won’t work. The best thing you can do, from my perspective, is to point out the ridiculous nature of their oh-so-firmly held beliefs and ridicule the living crap out of them. You can do that snarky and sarcastically, applying caustic wit and derision and have fun with them … or you can try to talk to them like adults if you like. I’m warning you, the latter does not work because they do not live in the real world anyway. Nothing you say can get through to a mind that is trapped in that kind of darkness.
There are psychological studies on this phenomena. The current thinking is that these people are victims of their own desire to make sense of and exert control over a world they cannot possibly understand. I don’t know if I support psychology as a science but there does seem to be some art to the discipline and that makes some sense to me.
I’ll respect however you choose to approach this problem because you’ve already earned my respect with intelligent, informed comments. You do as you see fit, it’s not my place to urge you to any sort of position. For me, I don’t see this as a time to be anything less than bold, to tell the truth and advance real knowledge and reason, and to thunk these dumb-bunnies in the head. Let the cards fall where they may.
From a surgeon. Bill, get it.We need you!!!
There is a very small number of folks that can fly an F-15, similarly, a small number of folks who can understand medical issues like this. Im just sayin…..Its safe. Get it. God bless.
Ah, the voice of reason crying in a wilderness of nonsense! Still …
I agree with you but I’m constrained to point out that appealing to yourself as your own authority is a logical fallacy. I’m sure as a surgeon you’re a busy guy but it would help if you’d actually supply some verifiable data that supports your opinions.
There may be a very small number of folks that can actually operate an F-15 in combat, there’s a larger number of people who can fly one from point A to point B and there are a whole lot of people who understand HOW an F-15 flies without actually being qualified F-15 combat pilots. The point being that there are a number of people in here who while they may not be medical professionals are as intelligent as you are and capable of understanding general scientific information. It wouldn’t hurt a thing that the general scientific information comes from a medical professional, we won’t hold that against you. In this instance anyway.
So help us out a little here, Doc. Give us some ammo besides “you say so because you’re a surgeon” to use against the anti-vaxxer crowd. If anyone has access to that ammo locker it would be people like you. Pass it around.
Some concepts are difficult “why is there air?”
Virology, epidemiology and other such appropriate information is very complicated and difficult to condense to such a small packet of information, which is why it takes years to learn thru training.
Not to be too much of an intellectual bigot, but the vaccination science is, and has been solid for decades. We have successfully essentially eradicated a number of diseases from the face of the earth with live attenuated viruses, viral particles, dead viruses injected, swallowed etc into our immune systems which identify and arm themselves against true pathogens.
The science behind these new mRNA and adenovirus add on DNA is solid as well. The mRNA goes to the ribosomes in the cytoplasm of the vaccinated persons cells where the foreign spike protein is created and extruded like every protein ever created by our cells. The immune system then sees this as a foreign invader and ramps up appropriate targeted mechanism to fight this invader, were it to be seen again. Hence immunity against the Corona.
The DNA Adenovirus system (J &J) adds a step by injecting an adenovirus DNA with DNA for the corona spike protein added on, which does go into the nucleus and then is “Zipped open” and creates mRNA which then goes to the ribosome in the cytoplasm as above. I hope this helps.
If not, then you will have to rely on the fact that I do know what I am talking about and have faith that the Hippocratic Oath still has validity for some of us… All my best.
What are your thoughts on pathogenic priming, cytokine storm, or weaponized mycoplasmas for that matter?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sT25HhAVhhU
some truth in it. Not solid science yet. Remember, we are just now finding out about H. Pylorii and its relationship to ulcers.
Active research is good.
To let you know that these are local decisions: My wife got us scheduled for shots two Sundays ago. But due to the vagaries of the scheduling tool we were at 2 different CVS locations. Hers was very disorganized and they had trouble handling the 6-8 people waiting. She was inside for 30 minutes.
Mine at a different CVS was very organized. At the front of the store they had one young woman checking people in. At the back of the store they had two people giving injections and one other young woman just general crowd control and correcting any insurance issues from the online sign-in. They had about 2 dozen chairs for people to set in after the shot to see if they a reaction.
Total time in store including the 15 minute wait, about 22 minutes.
The two people giving injections were wishing more people had signed up as they spent a lot of time waiting around. Line to get shots was never more than 3 people to get injected and all seats were just about full waiting to leave.
It was relatively impressive to see and with a fairly small commitment of resources. Clearly not a government set up. To efficient.
Oh and one other thing: Since they were two different locations my wife got the J&J and I got the Moderna. My only reaction was a little soreness at the site, less than a Hep C or Flu shot (I am first aid certified so I get Hep C boosters frequently).
However, my wife did spike a fever that night. I happen to believe that she has a kick-a$$ immune system after 3+decades of teaching little kids. She never got sick. But she would bring it home and my daughter and I would get sick. Next morning she was fine but that night was rough for her.
I’m not an anti-vax person. I have all my personal vaccinations and I was lucky enough to get the main childhood disease shots in the 60’s, 70’s and 80’s. I don’t trust all the current vaccines because they are no longer the same formulations that they were in the 80’s and prior. Even the super common ones contain some questionable ingredients. When I went to Africa from the US for a vacation in 2019, I was told to get an MMR booster. I told my doctor that my original vaccines were from the 80’s and he said I don’t need it after all. Why? Because those vaccines conferred a more permanent immune response than the ones given in the 90’s or later. The vaccines were changed. And the government indemnified the pharmaceutical companies from ever being sued for damages from one of their vaccines. hmm.
Okay, jump to 2020. A new technology is brought to the market to combat C19. It’s not the same as a traditional vaccine that uses a dead version of the virus to produce your own body’s immune response. It’s all new, it’s hard to understand, it’s SCIENCE, so just believe us! It’s fast-tracked to production without the same FDA approval process as previous medications. How could this be done? Because the scientific testing for the concept had been in process for years, but had not yet been approved for distribution. The Pharma companies had been testing similar mRNA vaccines (eg for Zika) in poor communities in Africa and India, because f”ck them, they’re poor. Now those companies are testing mRNA in America. They don’t have a clue what the long term affects might be. And if you have an autoimmune disorder, there is no data available on how your immune system will react to this new technology. I’ve looked and asked my personal doctor. She said that it’s not being recommended for people with autoimmune disorders at this time. My autoimmune problem is Graves disease, which affects my thyroid. There are many other conditions that are common in our society, but I haven’t heard any mention in the vaccine propaganda about being cautious if you have rheumatoid arthritis or crohn’s disease. The shot’s being given to pregnant women and there’s no data about how it will affect the baby. The reason Scott had a big pile of paperwork is so he can read later about how this is an experimental, unapproved by FDA, vaccine and no one is going to be held responsible if something goes wrong.
I hope for the best outcome for everyone. Many of my loved ones have had the jabs, and so far none have had any immediate bad reactions. I’ve had covid19 and recovered, so for now I’m going to rely on my own body’s immune response. I hope this new technology is a way to fight viruses that we previously just had to grin and bear. Maybe we have a shot for Rhinovirus next! And maybe I’m just a ignorant shlub who doesn’t get science. It’s possible. But I find it alarming that the public is so accepting of this very new medical tool, simply because it’s being called a vaccine and vaccines are so widely trusted.
Love and light everyone.
Well said. I’m going to repeat what I’ve said about ivermectin elsewhere. It is a potent wide-spectrum antiviral that is a game changer for people with “autoimmune” diseases, which, like cancers, are associated with viruses. I’ve been taking it for months, and am now healthier than I have been in years, and have no feat of the CCP virus or any other virus.
Since when? Ivermectin has nothing antiviral in it, just a generic immune system booster we mostly use to deal with parasites (lacking a better idea).
And as usual, boosters work fine where you have a working system that can be boosted. And fail miserably otherwise. Like nitros in a car, if you try it in a wreck, it’s more likely take you out than pass the finish line faster.
I’m tired of counting the news cycles, these things were dragged as magical cure for cancer in general, for all kind of specific cancer cases, for HIV, now for rona — and probably all other popular situations before having real treatment. With all the same claims the same way.
On what basis do you claim it’s not antiviral? It was discovered to be antiviral last year when researchers were testing hundreds of known safe drugs to discover if any of them would work against this particular virus. After it was identified as killing SARS-CoV-2 in vitro, it was tested against a long list of viruses including ebola, dengue, zika, HIV1, and others.
There are studies coming out every week about it, much of them specifically relating to SARS-CoV-2, but others looking more broadly to discover how it works (which it does by preventing viral replication, not as a “generic immune booster”). There are hundreds of people whose lives have been saved by it.
Check out the FLCCC website. They have a lot of info that the legacy media has been suppressing in order to promote vaccines (follow the money) and if ivermectin had been promoted, the vaccine makers could never have gotten their EUA that allows them to continue this experiment. They also have a preprint of their meta-review of all the studies around the world showing the efficacy of ivermectin against SARS-CoV-2.
As for cancers, many cancers are associated with specific viruses, and we’ve known that for decades. For example, HPV is so strongly associated with uterine cancer that Gov. Perry tried to force every teenaged girl in Texas to get a vaccine for it a dozen years ago.
Is Pharmacology handbook enough basis for you?
I went to the link she supplied in her comment. The link is to an accredited site of thoracic physicians, Chestnet.com.
There were a lot of citations regarding ivermectin from places like India, Iraq and Egypt. I ignored them. I won’t read or consider papers from Iraq, India, Egypt etc. because the standards just to be a GP MD in those places is so much lower than in the US or Australia. There’s always an elevated and undeniable danger that such publications from second and third world sources are compromised on many levels and thus unreliable.
There were two, one each from the USA and Australia. I read them both.
Both indicated a non-scientific anecdotal trial without stringent clinical evaluation proceedures and were admittedly both experimental and highly preliminary to actual clinical trials of the efficacy of ivermectin as an anti-SARS/C19 treatment.
Both indicated a +/- ~10% reduction in mortality, statistically, between patients that had been treated with a combination of ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine and a few other medications simultaneously and those who were not.
~10% is well within the margin for error in such a loosely organized test. Which makes the information non-definitive. Still, there might be something there, or not. It’s pretty difficult to draw a conclusion from those two papers I read. There is an obvious conclusion that can be drawn however …
Anyone who thinks that the use of ivermectin guarantees they will not get and die of COVID-19 is living in a fools paradise. To draw such a conclusion from the information I read is a clear and unequivocal proof that the person coming to that conclusion is not sufficiently educated to understand exactly what they were reading.
There does remain an unanswered question though …
What country do YOU live in, Pal Balrog?
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4930160/user-clip-dr-pierre-kory-senate-hearing-ivermectin-100-cure-covid-19
More lazy link posting … (YAWN)
State your opinion if you have one, then if you must, use a link as a citation that reinforces or supports your point. Links are not an argument.
This “lazy linking” is what you did previously above. Then when several people tried to discuss the content of those links with you, you refused.
There’s no reason to think that this link will be any different. I’m not going to go chasing videos all over the web for you, and neither is anyone else.
I can read a post, even a long one, in a few minutes max. I’m not going to go sit through 15+ minutes of video stream just because you posted a link to it.
In fact, from what we’ve seen so far you don’t even understand what’s in the videos you’re posting links to and when asked about it you’ll just say something silly.
It’s unreasonable for you to expect people to go watch videos and waste their time just because you think the video says something you agree with. That’s childish. Why are you unable to speak for yourself?
PROJECT MUCH…?
I gave you a video on the actual person who is lecturing on how he weaponized mycoplasma for the DOD and….. you’re too lazy to watch it…
Suit yourself, but go troll someone else, lil’ miss passive aggressive.
#PissUpARope
🙂 Your video suggestions are not of sufficient worth to merit my time. Because you’re a nut. Try not to stand under any ropes and you won’t get pissed on.
Mmmmm … Yes and no, let’s unpack this a little. I’m going to be quite blunt, I’m not slagging on you but I’m not going to pull any punches either. You’re a big girl so I’m sure you can take it;
1.”It’s not the same as a traditional vaccine that uses a dead version of the virus …”
That part is true enough as far as it goes. Too bad that vaccination isn’t that simplistic. Not all “traditional vaccines” use a dead version of a virus. Some use a weakened version, some use a version where the spike or attack protein from the live virus is chemically stripped from the virus itself and that is what is injected and is all that is used to kick start immunity. This vaccine is very similar to that latter technique but the attack protein isn’t harvested from a live virus culture, it’s manufactured synthetically.
2.”It’s all new, it’s hard to understand, it’s SCIENCE, so just believe us!”
That part is more subjective. I don’t think it’s all that hard to understand but someone else might. I do not accept “it’s SCIENCE” as any sort of reason for anything. People who think that a boy born with a “Y” chromosome can become a girl and compete in girls athletics use that same argument. I haven’t heard a lot of public officials or medical professionals saying “so just believe us” and those whom I have heard say that I have challenged. There’s an example on this page of me doing that.
I don’t do “wesaysoism” for anyone and neither should any thinking person. Fortunately that’s not needed here anyway, it’s not all that hard to understand the concepts and basics if you care to go look for that information. That’s how I got the information I’m using to reply to you so it is ipso-facto possible to do.
3.”It’s fast-tracked to production without the same FDA approval process as previous medications.”
Semi-true but leaning hard towards untrue. The FDA has approved this under the PREP Act parameters for an Emergency Use Authorization or EUA. There have been “previous medications” granted the same FDA EUA approval. This is not a new thing and those previous instances include SARS, influenza, Ebola and Zika meds. Saying that this is something unprecedented is what makes this lean towards untrue. It did not go through decades of testing but it also is not a new and previously unknown way to bring a medication to the point of public distribution. There have been laws created and proceedures in place for some time to address public health emergencies and they have been used several times before.
No doubt we will learn some lessons from this situation and more proceedures will be developed. Learning is a good thing.
4.“How could this be done? Because the scientific testing for the concept had been in process for years, but had not yet been approved for distribution.”
Again, semi-true. The concept of nucleic acids as a health support vector against viral diseases in a vaccine has been in development and testing for over 25 years. These are known as “subunit vaccines” btw. This process for this vaccine had not yet been approved in the U.S. for distribution but it also had not been denied for distribution. Because it had not yet applied for any sort of distribution. The tone of your statement makes it seem like it had failed to be approved or was denied approval at some point and that is not true.
5.”The Pharma companies had been testing similar mRNA vaccines (eg for Zika) in poor communities in Africa and India, because f”ck them, they’re poor. “
Mostly Untrue. Let’s have a look at Zika, being as you bring it up — The pharma companies have been distributing testing materials based on nucleic acid and other telltales of Zika infection. There is no vaccine currently being distributed for Zika though there are clinical trials underway for 12 potential Zika vaccines, of which only three are “subunit” or RNA type vaccines. The others are all attenuated/inactivated virus based vaccines using some or all of the corpus of the natural virus. Only one, the VRC5283 vaccine, has reached Phase 2 trials, all the rest are still in Phase 1.
These trials are not being conducted in Africa and India “because f”ck them”, they’re being conducted in the areas of maximum concentration of the Zika virus. Such trials would be useless if conducted on, say, the Inuit/Eskimos living on or above the Arctic Circle where there is no Zika virus. You don’t go fishing on the ski slopes of Colorado and you don’t go snow skiing in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. Your phrasing and attitude convey something that is not true.
6.”Now those companies are testing mRNA in America.”
Because hey, we’re poor so f”ck us too, huh? I’m pretty sure I’m seeing some logical inconsistencies in your post …
7.”They don’t have a clue what the long term affects (sic) might be.”
True. That statement applies to any new thing no matter what it is. The passage of time cannot be substituted for anything else. Thank God Jonas Salk didn’t have to wait 25 Years before the Polio vaccine was approved for distribution or there’d be millions more kids in graves and crippled adults on this planet. You, however, skip right over that truth and try to color this as something else.
8.”… if you have an autoimmune disorder, there is no data available on how your immune system will react to this new technology. I’ve looked and asked my personal doctor. She said that it’s not being recommended for people with autoimmune disorders at this time.”
True. Duh. If you’re one of the rare people with immune disorders, or if you have arthritis, Crohn’s Disease, adverse reactions to vaccinations of any sort etc. then you probably already know that you have such a problem. You should ask your Doctor what is the best way to proceed regarding getting a vaccine, any vaccine. There’s nothing new or different in this aspect regarding this vaccine.
9.”… I find it alarming that the public is so accepting of this very new medical tool …”
So you do your best to alarm people with a dangerous mix of truth, semi-truth and untruth? Do you know that the very best way to lie is a mix of 99:1 ratio of truth to lies? No effective lie starts with obvious falsehood, if it did it would not effectively deceive. I’m not saying your intention is to deceive and it’s very possible that you have been deceived unawares. But wherever you got your information it is slanted subjectively and intentionally, it is not objective factual information intended to educate, it is a narrative meant to persuade and convince.
If you’re not aware of that then I’m doing you a big favor here by waking you up to that kind of thing. If you are aware of that kind of thing then shame on you for propagating it.
… and that’s enough of that nonsense. I think I’ve proved my point. Your post is hardly an objective, informed, factual posture towards the COVID vaccine. You say you’re not an “anti-vax person” but if anti-vaxxers were ducks you sure as heck walk and quack like one.
Let’s all be clear about something here. You’re responsible for you. If you have issues that would otherwise raise a caution flag over any vaccine, you should do some reasonable due-diligence and not just flock to the nearest vaccination center like hogs to the trough. If you have allergies, you need to check to either be sure the things you’re allergic to are not in the vaccine or check with your Doctor. Be sensible.
If you DO have sound, valid reasons not to get vaccinated all is not lost. If the rest of us who tolerate such things well get vaccinated we will achieve pack immunity very shortly, then you’ll get a mostly free ride and be mostly safe too. So consider your risks and weigh them properly, then make a smart, objective, informed decision and act. Listening to biased, untrue and semi-true advice from people on the internet is none of those things so do your own work.
It is sheer stupidity to refuse a potentially life-saving medical treatment based on half truths, lies, slant, spin and something you read that was “on the internet so it must be true”.
It is likewise sheer stupidity to blindly trust the government, any government in matters of your personal well being. No one cares more about you than you do. Be very, very wary of people who think they know more about what’s good for you than you do. They don’t call this The Information Age for nothing so for Pete’s sake go dig up real, actionable information if you have the slightest doubt.
And for your own sake, pay attention to things like the tone and attitude displayed by the person I’m replying to. Those are vital clues to a toxic bias.
My wife and me will NOT be getting this gene therapy. There is a lot of “red flag” warnings about this. Some warnings approach conspiracy theory but there is also a lot that is very credible. Many of the deaths and reactions you are seeing were predicted before the distribution based on mRNA therapy in the past. One of the horror predictions will be in Sep/Oct when flu season rears its ugly head. The horror prediction is that there is no way this therapy gets turned off and has the potential of the immune system running amuck. No thanks. We have not had the flu/cold in 35+ years (we are over 60and no flu shots either) which I am sure is partly due to healthy lifestyle as well as Bombay Sapphire (thinking of you Steve!). My wife is a RN and is exposed to all sorts of heinous things and sure she brought home some bugs. We still don’t get sick! BTW, our doctor is NOT recommending this therapy “off the record. Also if this is all so safe (no animal trials), why do you have to sign a waiver that you won’t bring legal actions against the government or pharma? How many other vaccines did you sign a waiver for. Let me count…. zeeeerrroooo.
There were plenty of animal trials: they ran tests with 30,000+ homo sapiens. For each vaccine candidate. Those were the courageous people among us. After their example and “sacrifice” we can all be more assured (but not totally positively absolutely unequivocally certain) that the risks with this vaccine are minimal. But not zero, and for those who have had problematic past histories with flu shots or other treatments, certainly more caution at your personal level is advisable.
After a while we don’t really read some of those disclosure forms as closely as maybe we should, but I suspect the forms I now sign for my flu shots each Summer/Fall contained liability avoidance language.
For most of us, the pioneers who moved West to settle our great country faced greater relative risks (disease, starvation, Indians) than most of us taking these vaccines in 2021.
I detect a little satire, I dig it. Hope I’m not wrong.
Just a hint. Moderation in all things?
Very true, that. I actually knew some of my ancestors who made that kind of leap. It’s not that I’m that old, though I’m no spring chicken, but my family tends to live a long time and I knew most of my great grandparents. Who told stories from their childhood(s) about their parents, my great-great grandparents, settling the land where I was born.
There were a lot of rumors and fear involved in that kind of thing back then too. They went anyway. Today I can show you, were I back “home” where my family is from, fields cleared and groves of trees planted by people whose blood flows in my veins.
One of Jordan Peterson’s retorts to this sort of thing is “Do you think you’re worse off than your great-grandparents?” It’s a good question we all should ask ourselves when evaluating our own situation. It lends a more sound perspective to the process.
For the record, this “gene therapy” claim is about as accurate as wapo’s claim on Trump requesting to find the fraud.
And spreads in a similar pattern too. 🙁 I wish people would look into stuff before repeating ahead.
Pal,
Moderna boss: mRNA jabs are “rewriting the Genetic Code” we call it “information therapy” (Ted 2017)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU-cqTNQhMM
You do realize that Moderna was jointly developing this tech with DARPA, don’t you?
Not sure where to take that comment. mRNA does not rewrite any genetic code.
Really, people if primary school biology no longer teach even the ABC level stuff including what is genetic code and the information chain DNA->RNA->protein at least read up or ask a doctor who learnt 40 years ago.
The problems with the vaccines we talk about are not with the mRNA and the spike protein it translates to but the vector used to smuggle it.
Did you watch the video?
Now I did. What immediately begs the question DID YOU? Or just looked at the clickbait title and run with it. Exactly following the MSM tactics on Trump. 🙁
The video even created a nice animation for you and uses a straight example on the flu vaccine ~2m, Do you see any touching the DNA there? In either text or the picture? ~2:27m
The term “Information therapy” mentioned in a context off genetic defect therapy (MMA in the example) much later at ~9m mark, just stands for “we use out knowledge of stuff”. That whole section is just a dream without details.
I could not locate “rewriting genetic code” at all, could you? Let alone claiming mRNA jab does it.
So again I ask, stop pushing crazy narrative and spread misinformation.
“So again I ask, stop pushing crazy narrative and spread misinformation.”
That wasn’t a question.
That’s OK, you do you…
Pal* took you seriously and answered you like an adult speaking to an adult. He made several points about the video you asked him if he had viewed. Good points based on facts.
Your only response is to take the last sentence of his reply to you, 11 words out of the entire post, to mock him because English isn’t his native language and what, he forgot a question mark? REALLY? And you have the unmitigated gall to call other people trolls?
It’s becoming increasingly clear that you’re the troll here.
Regarding the points Pal made — You didn’t address a single one of them and I’m betting you can’t because you’re posting links to thinks of which you have zero grasp.
As soon as someone challenges you, you tuck your tail and deploy decoy flares. Below Keith approached you in the manner you pretend to deserve, let’s see you act like an adult and respond to him in kind.
I’m positive you’re not able to do that. Prove me wrong.
(* Don’t think for a minute that I’m backing up Pal Balog for any reason other than that he’s right. I don’t particularly like Pal but he earns a degree of respect from me because unlike you, who will get no respect until you earn it, Pal’s not stupid.)
Yes, I have watched the video. Have you? Do you actually understand its contents? Or are you just reacting to the title of the video? Have you read other research from moderna about what they were trying to do?
In none of the examples in the video, if you actually read the research behind it, do they actually modify anyone’s DNA. They are inserting a temporary mRNA in each case to accomplish some goal by having the cells produce the necessary proteins. He talks about changing a line of code, but that’s aspirational. What they’re doing right now is inserting a line in (which he said the second time) temporarily that will get removed.
In the last example where they’re replacing the mRNA for producing the enzyme, that actually ended up being a dead end because they have to keep injecting it to keep the enzyme production up. They found that over time, the immune system ends up learning about the nano particles and ends up making them less and less effective over time. That means that their current path for those diseases ended up being a bust.
This is why the current primary use of this technology is Vaccines. Vaccines can be given just a couple of times to accomplish the goal of training the immune system, and that way the body doesn’t figure out that these particles are potentially dangerous and start attacking them before they accomplish their goal.
This is why they’re going to have to find ways of altering the DNA itself using Crispr and other techniques to correct the genetic damage in order to solve those genetic diseases. That techology will use the same delivery mechanism, but it isn’t ready yet, and isn’t in use in these vaccines.
I would love to see him answer you but he’s not going to. Not in any meaningful, intelligent manner. We’ve got enough information now to sketch out a pretty solid behavior pattern …
Notice that our lil’ buddy Erin W.Hood (hereafter Whoody, for short) has posted links to that video twice on this page.
He posted the link as though putting the link on this page was some sort of argument. He has not actually made any point about the contents of that video. Not once, not even one time has he said anything at all about the content of the video.
When he’s been asked about the contents of that video he has not once replied with any sort of meaningful dialog. When asked if he actually watched the video he answers with “Did you?”.
The obvious conclusion is that he has not watched the video or if he has he didn’t understand anything that was in it.
Twice he’s made a point about some sort of link between Moderna and DARPA so it’s obvious he thinks that link is highly significant … Somehow. Yet when asked about it he ignores/deflects/cracks trite ad hominems and doesn’t give even the slightest clue about why he thinks that supposed relationship is critically important.
Though he called me a troll I was fair about this*. I went to both links, watched the video, read the write-up on DARPA, and I can’t find a single thing that points to any sort of sinister activity.
In summation, he posted two links on this page and everything else he’s done here has been semantically, intellectually and logically null.
I think it’s a fair conclusion that he got those links from a third party, who likely also didn’t understand them but thought from the titles they were smoking-gun proof of some pet conspiracy theory Whoody shares with them, and he just parroted that here thinking people would be impressed. That’s the most positive and charitable view I can come up with because the only other explanation is that he’s just a straight-up idiot.
Or an Underwear Gnome.
(*I said I was fair, not that I was nice.)
I’ve never had a flu shot, and I’ve neither seen nor heard anything that convinces me to change that trend for either influenza or covid. In fact, the mass confusion and contradiction in the words of so-called experts has caused me to be more entrenched in my avoidance of such things.
We have four children, all adults, and a grandson; everyone of them has exposed my wife and I to countless sicknesses and sniffles, and we all remain healthy and free of “flu” shots.
In Scott’s closing words there was an implication of altruism for our neighbors being coupled with taking this vaccine. This is, at best, an absurd notion that has no place in rational decision making and/or discussion.
I refuse to be tagged, and I will not join in anyone’s celebration of such activity.
Agreed on all counts.
Also, ivermectin is effective against not just this virus but every virus. So a vaccine is superfluous for me at this point.
And zinc picolinate (not gluconate).
I’ll pray for you Scott. I don’t trust that vaccine at all. Not only because I’m never the first in line for something, but because it sounds more dangerous than the virus.
Always glad to have folks petition the Lord on my behalf. Please pass along my gratitude for the minds He created that have so rapidly developed this vaccine…also, ask him if I could have a pile of money and the wisdom to use it. 🙂
You should have left it at “this vaccine…”
See, if you had read the stories I sent you, you would know how to spend a large pile of money with wisdom. You would then know how to end up with a small pile of money. (Ask Bill about that reference, he’ll know the punchline. How do you make a small fortune in Space. . . )
… you start with a big fortune …
LOL
Scott’s classical education does not include Robert Anson Heinlein.
He keeps resisting. I have sent him several story links, he just isn’t a big reader of fan of fiction. I just re-read Man who sold the Moon and Requiem. Always good ones.
Resistance is futile, he needs to stop resisting or we might have to go full Borg on his ass.
I like those two and “The Man Who Was Too Lazy to Fail” is another favorite of mine. Good lessons in all of them.
Foolish Mr. Ott tells me he would rather cuddle up to the amazing Mrs. Ott than spend time with Heinlein. What could she possibly have that Bob H. doesn’t? (Heh, don’t answer that, it was pseudo-rhetorical and wholly nonsensical.)
That is a good story. I have probably read Time Enough for Love 7 times over the years.
Me too, at least that many times and the same for TMiaHM too. I don’t think there’s anything of ol’ Bob’s that I haven’t read at least two or three times.
Did you ever get a chance to read “Pursuit of the Pankara”? Some people hated it, I loved it. It was what Number of the Beast was intended to be before the lawyers butchered it for copyright fears. I always loved Number of the Beast but thought it had odd construction and missing bits, neither of which were typical of Heinlein. Especially the ending. Now I know why that is and got to read it as it was meant to be published so I highly recommend Pursuit if you haven’t read it yet.
I have not. I went looking for it this summer at the local library when I used the lock down to plow through a bunch of reading. It never came available. Instead I read all of Asimov’s Robot and Foundation stories in the chronological order that he recommended.
Number was a weird tale so I do want to read the Pankara version. I have TMiaHM somewhere in my storage room. Have to get that out as it has been several years.
My husband and I got our first shot in CA when we were visiting family for the holidays. Our son-in-law is a Dr. and he had extra doses at the end of the day, couldn’t waste them. He whisked us into the clinic and we got the last drops in the vials. When we came home to TX it was not possible to get our second shot yet, so we waited about a month and a week. The local health dept. finally got their supply, so we were put on the list and told to report to the convention center downtown. That was right at the start of the deep freeze, and everything ground to a halt. After a day’s delay, we went back and it took about an hour to make our way through the line. Very efficient. We were checked in and folks were told to join the queue. It never stopped moving. This was the 65 and older group, so there were nurses on patrol with EMT’s, making sure people were able to remain standing in line. They brought several wheelchairs and provided places for people to sit while a family member held their place in line. The fireman who administered our shots was cheerful, even though he said he had delivered hundreds of shots at this point. Everyone was positive. The couple in front of us, about our age (65) had shown up with double masks and maintained strict 6 foot distancing, but for the most part people were chatty and upbeat as we waited. Plenty of selfies and posting on social media in the area where we had to wait to see if there was any adverse reactions.
These days when we go out and about, it’s the older folks who are not wearing masks. You can sense that people are taking back their ‘face time’ with the world. It’s so good to see.
Sorry to hear about Scott.
DR. HOTZE ON THE DANGERS OF THE COVID-19 VACCINE
https://www.hotzehwc.com/2021/02/dr-hotze-on-the-dangers-of-the-covid-19-vaccine/
I’ll have to pick up a 30-day supply of Dr. Hotze’s vitamin and probiotic regiment for just $125. Where has this man been all my life? I appreciate the concern, Troy. I’m confident in my decision.
see my comment below. I didn’t even look that he pushes his own snake oil so obviously not happy about competition.
I guess I’m a bad person. I’ve been seeing my dad regularly since this whole thing started. He’s 80+. But he’s in pretty good shape, plays pickle ball bout every day. And I have not been sick.
At their specific insistence we never stopped doing family stuff with my wife’s parents: 90 & 87. They did not want to be isolated. They figured they are getting towards the end of their lives and “living” without family would probably hasten that. I tend to agree with that assessment.
A tail! Like Scott, a prehensile tail would be a big selling point for me.
A little research to help.
https://vaxxter.com/category/drt_blog/
WOW! This just reinforces my beliefs that it’s all about the Benjamins, and greed will be the demise of humanity.
Mine is a tougher choice. Sister Babe is already on the schedule for her shot, but I’m waiting as long as possible. My natural mistrust of our govt. aside, my past experiences with flu shots have not been good. So I’m not crazy about a high octane flu shot going into me. Or am I being paranoid? I’d like to hear this crowd’s opinions
I definitely don’t trust mainstream medicine, the CDC, so-called experts, and Bill Gates and his elitist pals. Trust your instincts and do as much research as possible.
After I left the military, I never got another flu shot again.
Why? Because every time I did I would be sick for 3-7 days, miss work, etc.
I think for some reason my body didn’t like those flu shots (and lord knows all the exotic ones I had to take in the military).
Rarely do I get sick, so the flu shot for me is a “no”.
Glad to know I’m not the only one “allergic” to flu shots. 🙂
I got the induction series of immunizations for the Navy in 1962 at the age of 17 and was sick and weak for almost a week, but since then I hardly ever even get a sniffle. Late September 2019 I was hospitalized for 3 days with septic pneumonia and lots of antibiotics and oxygen got me thru it. Was it Covid? They didn’t know about it that early and I haven’t been tested for antibodies yet, but if it was, I’ll take my chances with the virus. I’m 76 with type II diabetes.
I was sick as a dog in January of 2020. Maybe I got it “early” too. Who knows?
I’m taking my chances with the virus as well.
I wish you good health and strength through this time of “trial” (don’t know what else to call it).
This 17 minutes should be sufficient: https://www.hotzehwc.com/2021/02/dr-hotze-on-the-dangers-of-the-covid-19-vaccine/
Thank you. I find the following quote to be the most disturbing:
Conclusion: continue my vitamin therapy.
This is a pretty low quality rant. But some facts are facts, like the rush and skipping lot of steps; most importantly lack of data on long term effects.
https://www.bulatlat.com/2020/08/21/hazards-of-the-covid-19-vaccine/ is much better description and summary of actual dangers instead of mincing words on what we can call “vaccine” or trying to misrepresent gene-deficiency therapy in general as an evil thing.
It’s called discernment. Not paranoia.
You’re asking for an opinion from people unqualified to advise you, Bob. I say that because you said “my past experiences with flu shots have not been good” and none of us here know what you mean by that. If you’ve had trouble with vaccines then you really shouldn’t be looking for opinions here, we don’t know your medical history. You should be asking your doctor.
Also, consider that this is a new and different sort of vaccine. Many of the mechanisms are similar to traditional vaccines but not all and there are significant differences. So past performance is no real good indicator of what your results might be as far as having trouble with vaccines goes.
Personally, I myself would never tell an otherwise healthy adult who has no history of vaccination issues not to take this vaccine … But that’s not you. So the best thing for you to do is to consult someone who knows more about your medical history in this kind of thing.
Absolutely. When the time comes I’ll be taking this up with my doctor, but figured getting a few different perspectives won’t hurt.
Ok, then as long as we both understand that, my perspective is to approach this vaccine with the same caution you would with any other. All this vaccine does is introduce a trigger (which is the mRNA part) to make the same protein that your system would make on its own had you been exposed to the live virus itself.
The difference here between using mRNA and a killed or weakened live virus is that the mRNA has been artificially created. For any practical purpose it’s the same thing, it’s just not stripped by a chemical process from an actual virus because if it were anything else at all, it wouldn’t work at all.
This is useful because it’s relatively simple to create the proper mRNA to suit a particular virus (and there’s research ongoing right now to use the technology on cancer too, but this is different than that). The mRNA component isn’t a protein itself, it’s a link in the chain of protein creation. It is a simple ribonucleic acid. This is not “gene therapy” in the case of this vaccine, it does nothing at all to your genes. Much of the hullabaloo over “genetics” regarding this vaccine is a matter of ignorance and misunderstandings due to ignorance because it sounds like something genetic when it really is something more immune system related.
The funny thing about all this is that the mRNA is not what seems to be causing problems with the few people that experience an adverse reaction to the injection of the vaccine. In order to get the mRNA to stay together long enough to work (which is only a very brief period of time and the mRNA then discorporates and is flushed from your body in a day or two) it must be encased in a lipid, a fat, to accomplish effective delivery.
The lipid being used is PEG, short for polyethylene glycol. This is being used because it’s a very stable lipid (among other qualities) and works well for this purpose. PEG in large quantities can be toxic but the amount of PEG in the vaccine is very small.
PEG is a very common chemical used for all sorts of things where a nucleic lipid is needed. It’s in toothpaste and shampoo (so you probably swallow much more of it brushing your teeth that day than you’ll get in the vaccine) but some people are sensitive to it and some have allergic (anaphylactic) reactions to PEG. Anaphylactic reactions can run the gamut from a mild irritation to a full blown case of life threatening anaphylactic shock.
The jury is still out on the actual real-world effects of PEG in the vaccine. Some doctors think it might be a factor in adverse reactions. Many more do not because the amount of PEG is orders of magnitude smaller than in other common PEG containing (PEGylated) drugs, many of which are given intravenously with little or no adverse side effects. Still, it’s a thing and being as you asked for perspective I’m pointing this out to be thorough.
So it’s pretty important that you talk to your doctor about this IF you’ve had any sort of adverse reaction to prior vaccinations or if you’re one of the relatively rare people that is allergic to PEG.
These are the actual facts that, as close as I can determine from what you’ve said, pertain to your situation. These are the things you need to consider. I do not have any allergies and I’m not at all concerned about this vaccine. I have an appointment this coming Wednesday to get “the shot” and I’m not hesitant at all about it. You are not me and I cannot in good conscience advise you in this matter. All I can do is educate you and thereby arm you with the tools needed to ask the right questions before you decide.
I got my first shot March 7 at Xavier University Cintas Center (basket ball arena) in Cincinnati Ohio. ( about 2.8 miles from where I live). Side effects- ache in arm where shot was given for 2 days. Typical for me with flu shots. The efficiency was amazing. It took me more time to get there than it did to get the shot. Dozens of people directing flow, checking registration, and giving shots. I spent less than half an hour in the whole prpcess, including the 15 minutes waiting after the shot. I tried to thank all the people helping there, especially the ones standing and directing flow. They had 8 hours to do this, and appointments were in 15 minute increments. I was about 6 minutes early. (1:05 pm appointment). Am 65, and people over 60 were eligible the week before. Then over 50 that week. This week over 40 are eligible. Warp speed indeed! Finding where to sign up was a pain. Better now. Got over a week until I can get the next shot. (Side note: I was asked to roll my sleeve up so they could get it in my upper muscle. I then said “Oh, intramusculer, not subcue.” She looked at me in surprise. I said ” My wife was a nurse until she got hit by a truck. ” Her “Oh my. Well, then you can’t get away with anything.” Me “Pretty much”.)
DeWine said those 16 and older are eligible for the shot in Ohio by the end of this month. Hoping this will help end this stupid mask mandate.
The govt. has already been hinting of “boosters”, “mutated forms of rona”, and the need to still social distance/mask after getting the shot.
There’s a good organization in Ohio fighting your governors “edicts”.
MakeAmericansFreeAgain dot com
Hope we all get to breathe again. 🙂
David, you need to be aware that the “experts” telling everyone to vaccinate should continue wearing the mask after they get their shot in the arm.
Sorry to burst your bubble.