If you should not get a vaccine just because government wants you to, it is foolish to refuse one simply because it does. Vaccines are a good idea, and the covid vaccine is a good idea for most people. Warp Speed was spectacularly successful, and I never expected to see Kamala Harris’s politicization of the vaccine among my fellow people of the right. I don’t want to make you get vaccinated, but we would be wise to voluntarily vaccinate if you have not recently had the virus and take advantage of this triumph of human ingenuity.
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I was all for reducing restrictions and allowing companies an opportunity to create vaccines faster if they are actually safe. I am not opposed to vaccination but as far as I can tell these “vaccines” do not confer the same type of protection that previous approved vaccines provide nor do they seem to be as safe as previous vaccines.
I am opposed to the mRNA injections because of the available data on how those act in the human body as well as how they were produced.
I don’t see any problem with being my being able to make a decision that since I only have a 6% chance of actually getting the virus in a year and less than a 2% chance of dying if I do that there is no reason to get the injection until I have seen real long term data on safety because right now the data does not look good and we do not know what the long term outcomes are.
“the covid vaccine is a good idea for most people”… if your definition of “most” holds for the 10-20-maybe 30% with the covid risk factors, sure.
One major ingredient in warp speed was pulling all the legal brakes, declaring that everyone involved is implicitly not responsible for whatever outcome. Some trust the vendors that they are just responsible folks and would not dare to cut corners and say falsify data in order to get to the market first, before the competition. Others think they will naturally do exactly that in a blink.
When after that yo see that discussion of the facts and finding becomes auto censored — that would be the thing that build the trust, isn’t it, claims met with counter-claims, explanations, etc — people with brain just decide to stay out of this mess and weather the period till science maybe put back into business along with the truth.
I agree with everything you said. If you’re in the proper demographic for the vaccine to be a positive thing for you, you should consider getting it and not rule the idea out because of some fringe fearmongering.
I did a lot of my own investigation well before I decided to get vaccinated. Most people are not going to do as much studying on the matter as I did. In the end I decided that whatever risks there might be in the vaccine, the risk to me from COVID was greater.
I have a friend who did the same amount of research and came to the opposite conclusion. He’s a bright guy and he did his due diligence. My words to him were “make up your own mind, I can’t make it up for you”.
He caught COVID and spent 7 days in the hospital. He’s a bit drawn-out looking, like me he’s over 60 and he’s more than a couple pounds overweight too. He rolled the dice, he got the bug, he came out the other end of it alive but I have to wonder how many years it took off his life.
That’s something that I don’t think can be accurately quantified. He goes back to work on Monday but he looks like hell simmered slowly in a frying pan.
The thing is, I’m vaccinated and he has natural immunity, now. I’ve read that natural immunity is considerably better than vaccination. I see no reason not to believe that.
My friend has until December 8th to get vaccinated even so. If he doesn’t do that by then, he will lose his job.
He works for the government and he has decided that if after all these years of faithful service they’re going to be like that, then he’s putting in his retirement papers. He was going to retire sometime in 2022 anyway, so this isn’t that big a deal for him.
But not everyone has retirement as an option and for those that don’t, it’s a tough call
This is a terrible thing to do to people. Especially people who are at nearly zero risk for transmission of the virus. I don’t see why having natural immunity isn’t as good or better, employment-wise, as getting vaccinated.
There’s something else going on here and I’m not sure what it is.
Your last sentence says it all. I’m in the “vulnerable” age group but made the decision to forego the injection, mostly because I have an excellent immune system that I haven’t abused with over-use of medications, antibiotics, poor quality food, immoderate lifestyle or chronic illnesses. I’m fortunate in that respect. The last flu I had was in 2013, did not require medication or hospitalization for it, and haven’t had any illness other than that in over 2 decades. I’m pretty much a loner, work from home, and have a tiny circle of friends and family. I’m just not concerned about this virus, just as I’ve never been concerned about any of the others. But all that aside, I am very suspicious of the manner in which the government has tried to use this virus to control us with devastating consequences, as well as ignoring any means for treatment except this injection they are trying to forcibly coerce us to take. Very fishy.
That funny, in a deja vu sort of way. I’m almost exactly like you, now and since 2010 when I left Los Angeles and moved to where I now live. I don’t get sick, I eat more-or-less properly for a bachelor living alone, I have an amazing immune system, I get plenty of rest, don’t use any medications or antibiotics unless as a last resort (I do use a few supplements but that’s not the same thing), I live on property owned by my family in my own home, have a small circle of friends, socialize very little outside my family and a few friends, don’t drink to excess, have my groceries delivered, etc.
I get a flue shot every year though. I don’t do that because I’m afraid of the flu. I know if I get it, even though it’s unlikely, I’ll come out of it fine at the end. I just don’t like to get sick and it’s something I can do to prevent that. That’s all. For free or very little money it’s something within my power to do so I do it.
There’s also the fact that while I’m not particularly vulnerable, there’s someone who lives near me that is very, very vulnerable. My brother-in-law already died once and was revived. He died from a thing called “Sudden Cardiac Death Syndrome”, basically he keeled over dead with no warning at all and it wasn’t a classical heart attack. The nerves in his heart just started firing randomly for no discernable reason and so his heart stopped pumping blood. He was dead for 15 minutes and suffered consequential brain damage. He’s living on borrowed time though he is able to mostly live a normal life. For now. It can happen again any time according to the doctors.
I don’t particularly like him but I don’t want to kill him, yet, either. If I don’t do what I can and he gets sick and dies we (my sister and nephew and me) will always wonder if had I gotten vaccinated maybe he would still be with us. I don’t want to do that to them and I don’t want to do that to me.
So between us you and I exhibit a prime example of why choice is a very real, very important factor in this COVID vaccination issue. You have no need for it and have every reason to believe you’ll survive it if you get COVID. I don’t want to spend the time and misery being sick and I sure as heck don’t want to be a vector in the death of someone who could at least theoretically die because I refused to get vaccinated.
One size does not fit all. We have extremely similar personal circumstances but have made opposing choices and in both cases for very good, very real reasons.
What I don’t understand is why someone who has had COVID and is immune thereby must still get vaccinated. That’s the part that doesn’t make any sense to me.
I’m not generally prone to paranoid conspiracy theories. While this situation might be something macabre and nefarious it might not be too. It could be something as simple as the U.S. Government made a deal with the pharma companies that if they developed a vaccine then “X” million doses would be purchased from them to make it profitable for them to expend the time and treasure to develop the vaccine. So if “X” million people don’t get vaccinated the government is stuck holding the bag for the cost of millions of doses. Rather than eat that cost and admit it was an unwise move the powers that be might simply believe that they can use their political power to force that many vaccinations to be administered.
I’m not saying this is actually the case. I’m saying that it’s a scenario that fits the known information which doesn’t require some nebulous, nefarious, Machiavellian maneuvering on the part of the government. If I tried I could probably come up with more scenarios. It’s not important that I do, or that every scenario is air tight. It’s enough that there are explanations that don’t involve a zombie apocalypse etc.
Whatever is the actual truth, something I don’t understand is happening and where that sort of thing involves something as powerful as the U.S. Government there is always good reason for suspicion.
We sound like 2 peas in a pod – I bet we would be friends irl.
I agree with your points. My qualms about the vaccine pertain to your questions about why the over-bearing push for EVERYONE, no matter the exculpatory exceptions such as natural immunity and the minuscule chance of death or severe illness in the very young and under 40. There are side-effects, and not just a few, to these vaccines, so to dogmatically insist that 100% population inoculation is necessary just doesn’t make sense. Asymptomatic transmissibility has been unproven.
I don’t trust the government in a nutshell. When something doesn’t make sense to me, and I’ve made every effort to make sense of it, I tend to take a negative stance against whoever or whatever is trying so insistently to coerce me.
I respect everyone’s personal decision about taking the vaccine, and you certainly have well-reasoned circumstances to opt in. Free choice and personal responsibility is the central issue.