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Right Angle: Backstage (01-11-2022)

Bill Whittle returns after a brush with the COVID-19 Alpha-to-Omega strain.

Bill Whittle returns after a brush with the COVID-19 Alpha-to-Omega strain.

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35 replies on “Right Angle: Backstage (01-11-2022)”

lol, I was thinking more of the Omega 3 fatty acids that are good for the heart and are found in oily fish like mackerel.

Anyway, welcome back Bill, I’m so glad to hear a podcast today that didn’t play clips of Biden’s screeching about Bull Connor etc, I’ve heard it on every site I visited AND YET the Stupid Party cannot rouse itself to point out that everyone Biden mentioned was a Democrat, Jeff Davis, Bull Connor, George Wallace. Also why are they repeating the term ‘Voting Rights Bill’ when it’s really the ‘Cheating Forever Bill’. We don’t call them the Stupid Party for nothing!

Bill, good to see you’re up and about. Guess our thoughts & prayers worked. I had Covid over Christmas & New Years as well, still have some residual effects, but getting there. I guess now we know who’s been responsible for the longer Backstage episodes!

I watched the Beatles documentary. You’re right, it bored my wife silly. She did not join me after the first night. But as a fan, I was fascinated by the dynamic, and at first taken aback by the boredom … except, I’m also an amateur musician (I even put an album out on the streaming platforms last year – it’s not going to be a big seller or anything, but I wrote and produced all of the songs). And it struck me that their creative process and my creative process are essentially the same (except that they have each other to bounce things off of – I’m a one man band). This surprised me – I guess because you know you forget they’re human beings, too – not just The Thing, The Phenom – that was The Beatles™.

I could SEE George’s and John’s frustrations … and I could see Paul’s as he tried to get them to focus (which apparently was something that Brian Epstein had done with them before he died about a year earlier). I had heard George had left the band for several days, here I got to see it happen and their reaction to it.

And yet they did suck it up and get something done under kind of a ridiculous time restraint and under a microscope. I think their eventual breakup was probably inevitable, but this project certainly sped it along.

The things I found the most thrilling was watching “Let it Be” and “The Long and Winding Road” … two of my very favorites, starting out as little snippets on the piano.

Here’s how to understand the anti-anti vaxxers, and it goes farther than what Scott points out about herd immunity – which is a part of it.

The issue is is that vaccines don’t create a shield around your body through which the virus it’s for can’t penetrate. You actually can and do get infected. It’s just that if your immune system has a better chance of overwhelming it before it develops into “the disease” it causes. And depending on how a particular virus works, it might be able to reproduce fast enough before it gets to where your antibodies actually ARE (in your bloodstream) and not only can you get sick, you can still transmit it to other people.

The flip side of that is you probably won’t get AS sick BECAUSE when they do get to where they trigger your immune system your body will crank up antibody production really fast because it’s still holding the blueprint for it. You will be infectious for a shorter window of time, reducing the R0 relative to YOU.

So yes, technically you can get it, you can get sick, you can pass it on, and you can die. You’ve reduced the chances of those things immensely.

For SOME viruses our vaccine-induced antibodies nearly 100% get triggered before the viral load can get to the point where you can pass it on or get sick. That is not the case with this one (or the flu, or probably most respiratory viruses).

And by the way the change in definition of “vaccine” … many of my colleagues on the right overplay that. It was really a clarification. It’s what vaccines have always done. Vaccines don’t kill the virus, your immune system does. Vaccines just train your immune system to fight it. If you take “immunity” to mean “a prepared immune system” rather than “provides a shield around you through which no virus can penetrate”. “Immune response” IS “Immunity”. It’s the closest thing to it we’ve ever had, so really it’s a clarification to help prevent misunderstanding, not a re-definition.

So now the stage is set, and Fauci and the media correctly state that you can still pass it on if you’re vaccinated — without providing the context that it reduces your chances of getting sick by 2 orders of magnitude and of going to the hospital … and of death … by the same.

In my book, that’s enough.

But in a lot of peoples’ books, people with no perspective about risk – people to whom no risk is acceptable — nothing can EVER be enough. So they want to “do something” … almost (and maybe not even ALMOST) ritualistic in nature, like wearing a bag of garlic around your neck to protect you from vampires. These are the people wearing masks in cars. These are the people who don’t believe *they’ve* even done enough by getting vaccinated. They must do other things, like not go to dinner or movies and wear three masks in their car and four or five anywhere else, AND the fact that YOU’RE NOT DOING IT TOO even though THEY’VE reduced the chance of getting sick or dying by at least two orders of magnitude. It’s not enough. EVERYBODY must participate in the ritual.

It’s … religious in nature.

And there ain’t no H8 bigger people who have religious hate.

In their heads, you must die because you clearly don’t care about killing them.

Then they get in their cars and speed off in their masks while texting people on their cell phones.

More likely you are misinterpreting what I’m saying. And I never said it was a traditional vax. I’m talking about how it works, not how it is made. When I say it causes your body to “make” the vaccine, I’m saying it provides instructions to your cells to produce the spike proteins that serve the same purpose old-school vaccines do. The purpose of a vaccine is to prime, or train your immune system to recognize and neutralize a virus, regardless of how it is produced.

So the mRNA vaccines are NOT the spike protein(s) themselves. The mRNA vaccines are basically instructions to your cells to produce the spike proteins. And not one specific spike, but several of the spikes on the target virus, and a virus can only mutate so much before it becomes non-viable. It doesn’t change very many of them at a time. They’re still like 99%+ similar in structure. Therefore your body can likely still recognize some of the spikes on a variant that it was not specifically developed for. It won’t be AS effective, but it will still slow the virus down some while your body figures out some how to adapt to more of the spikes. Far better than if your body had never been exposed to those proteins.

And that’s what it’s really all about. Slowing the virus down enough to allow your immune system to overwhelm it before it overwhelms you.

We’re getting a little picky about semantics here. I’m using the word “killing” here in a loose sense. You can kill time, kill processes, there are kill switches … if you prefer we can use the term “neutralize” but ultimately I mean neutralizing and getting rid of it — pretty sure that’s how most people read it.

“The vaccines never put out a “force field” around you.”

That is pretty much a re-phrasing of exactly what I said. That was really half of my my point. A lot of people have this idea that a vaccine keeps you from being infected, when in fact, it really just “trains” your immune system so it is able to fight it faster. Depending on the virus and the vaccine and your immune system, you may or may not develop symptoms — but you still get infected. But it’s not exactly correct to say the vaccine didn’t “work”, even if you get somewhat sick. The only way the vaccine didn’t “work” is if it didn’t cause your body produce antibodies. The rest is up to … your body.

And yes, naturally acquired immunity is more effective at neutralizing a virus than vaccines … but of course the point of the vaccine is — you don’t have to get ill, perhaps very ill … to acquire at least some immunity from it. It gives your immune system a leg up on it (I know, your immune system doesn’t *actually* have legs).
T-Cells and memory B-Cells are specialized antibodies that remain in your system when the main army of antibodies your body produced is sent home Essentially they disappear after a while … your body gets rid of them. It’s too “expensive” to keep producing them all your life. But not the T-Cells and memory B-Cells. Together they enable you to recognize the virus and contain the blueprints for making antibodies for those protein structures again. Your body keeps a few of those around – and at that point the virus is no longer “novel” to your body. It’ll recognize it faster and crank up the antibody production factory faster next time it sees it (I know your immune system can’t actually “see”).
Yes, all of the stuff you said about the structure of the virus is true, and UV light, and such things as unfriendly humidity and temperature will … I’m going to say it again, “kill” the virus by making it ineffective. But it’s irrelevant to what I’m saying.

No mask, not vaxed…no problem. Wearing a mask would be even more useless than for the average person, because of my beard. Not to mention it adversely effects my breathing due to COPD. I see very, very, few people wearing masks in my area.

21:00 Time tick …

Hold it right there and Bill, you should read this before you tape the episode on the mentality of the anti-antivaxers.

Yes, the immediate purpose of getting a vaccination is to acquire an immunity to a disease. Be it Dengue Fever, Yellow Fever, Polio or Smallpox etc. You’re right, it confers nearly immediate immunity (within a few days) from the disease. You’re correct about that. However …

Once an effective vaccine has been developed, become available to the population and gone into broad use by that population it is possible, eventually, to eradicate that disease entirely.

Let’s look at Smallpox, a viral disease caused by the variola virus (VARV). Smallpox had a mortality rate of about 30%, it killed nearly one out of three people who caught it and it was extremely infectious. Smallpox killed somewhere in the vicinity of 300 MILLION people in the 20th Century alone. That’s recent enough that some of us are old enough to have lived while Smallpox was still killing a lot of people every year.

Smallpox has been identified in Egyptian Mummies from 300 BC. It’s been around a long time and it was very highly adapted to human beings.

Edward Jenner developed the first modern SmallPox vaccine in 1796. It wasn’t until 1967 that the WHO stepped up efforts to eliminate Smallpox globally. The WHO recorded the last naturally occurring case TEN YEARS later in 1977 and certified the disease as eradicated in 1980.

It took ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY FOUR YEARS between the development of an effective vaccine and complete eradication of Smallpox, a disease that was several orders of magnitude worse and more deadly than any variant of COVID.

It took TEN YEARS after a global campaign was mounted to wipe out Smallpox and TWELVE YEARS before the WHO would certify Smallpox as eradicated completely.

This complete eradication of an infectious disease has been accomplished so far in history ONLY TWO TIMES. The other disease was a disease of cattle and other ungulates called “rinderpest”.

All of that should put things in perspective when it comes to COVID. It’s not nearly so deadly. Can you even imagine what it would be like if the COVID Karens in charge today were faced with something like Smallpox?

While it may be very infectious, there is no real vaccine available for it, yet. There are mitigating prophylactic treatments and therapeutic treatments but there is no true, effective vaccine of the sort that Jenner developed for Smallpox. That sort of vaccine does not exist in the real world. That’s not me saying you shouldn’t get The Jab, I did so I’m not even going to say that other people shouldn’t. That’s me saying “Let’s get real about this.”

What this makes crystal clear is that even with maximum effort it’s going to take at least ten years to eradicate COVID if that’s even possible. The indications are that’s not even possible.

The Global Economy and the American Republic cannot survive the hubris of trying to stamp out COVID entirely because there is no reliable, effective prevention for it, yet.

If we as a nation don’t “get real” about this situation we are not going to have the nation we all know and love. Because there are people using this “perfectly good crisis” as an excuse to seize political power and turn this country into something we won’t recognize and probably won’t be able to restore.

I have a copy of a bumper sticker tacked to my office wall, sent to me by a trucking client who’s a lumber trader, that says: Earth First – we’ll log the other planets later.

Scott, have you somehow missed all the vitriol that has been all over for the unvaccinated. The Prime Minister of Canada called the unvaccinated all extremists, misogynists, and racists. The American Left is at least as extreme with their language for the unvaccinated, and the “medical authorities”, the ones that should know how vaccines work are leading the charge calling unvaccinated vermin and vowing not to provide medical care to the unvaccinated.

Welcome back Bill; we missed you.

I had one of those “I-can’t-take-anything-going-down-this-throat” sore throats years ago when I had mono, so I know a little of what you went through. I got off easy in comparison though, as mine only lasted three days.

And Steve, it is quite possible that your boys have omicron, so there is hope for you if you still want to catch it.

I think I may have had omicron a week and a half ago. Symptoms started out very mild, but they were there, and I took a dose of ivermectin immediately. Symptoms got a little worse over the next few hours, and then began to diminish to almost nothing by bedtime. I was fine the next day, but took another “just-in-case” dose. The third day I felt a few symptoms coming back, took another dose, and by noon it was gone. I really wanted to get tested just out of curiosity, but because “they” are telling everyone to get tested whether they have symptoms or not I couldn’t get an appointment for a week. Of course by then I would have tested negative anyway. Never-the-less, I kept the appointment at the local Walgreens. I kept it, but Walgreens didn’t. Their pharmacy decided to close on weekends.

Okay, I’m done with these clowns! I’m not jumping through hoops because somebody is paranoid. As far as I’m concerned, I’ve had omicron. If anyone asks me if I have been vaxxed, the answer is, “Yes!” because I’ve been naturally inoculated. That’s my story, and I’m sticking with it!

Great to see Bill back and hear how Natasha is doing and looking forward to all the upcoming episodes.
Scott when you said “I’m that guy.” All I could think about was Amos Burton on the show “The Expanse” and his actions on season three.

Just glad to see that you survived. The TSL / MB2A crowd commented that we wanted you to take some time off. But this is a bit ridiculous. As long as you are still alive. I understand the soreness from coughing too much. I had double pneumonia twice, according to my Mom, before I was 3 years old. I had bronchitis so many times, I develop a cough anytime my throat gets dry. Just glad you have survived and are on the road to better health.

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