34 replies on “Pager U and Ben Shapiro have caved to the LGBT mob: they have gone woke.”
I am not shocked in the slightest by this. Like the church growth movement before it the conservative big tent movement is a complete corruption and will completely devolve into more and more degeneracy. What Dave is doing is horrible beyond belief and should be called as such. He claims to not want to push his beliefs on others but he is now forcefully subjecting tow children to this sin. Yes we all sin and subject other to it because we are fallen creatures but this is willfully separating yourself from God and also separating two children from God by subjecting them to this evil.
I agree with Mark’s position, but think it’s foolish to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Dave’s timing is horrible. It puts us all in a terrible position. We need to be united now more than ever and can’t afford the damage a debate would cause. Sometimes you have to pick your battles, and in my opinion, that’s part of the calculus for Prager and Beck. Having said that, I would have preferred they remained silent rather than celebrating it. Even that though would have been used by the left to sow division. This was a tricky one.
Progressives are fantastic at eroding our cornerstones into shivs then stabbing US in the back with them. The “I just want to be friends” conservatives are too quick to find “common ground” and bend a little here and there and end up aiding the progressives in that back stabbing. President Trump learned this the hard way his first year in office where he tried to rally support from our communists in Congress and the Media and gave into their demands and they still called him every name in the book. We gain nothing by abandoning our principles.
By the way, it’s not obvious, but if you want to edit or make changes to a blog post, you need to go to Members – My Blog Dashboard. I needed to ask someone myself a while back.
The progressive communist Democrats have always had an agenda despite their lies. Here’s an article proving so…”When Gays Wanted to Liberate Children” On the website bostonreview.net …They presented their agenda in 1972 to the DNC in Miami. By the way, YouTube won’t allow me to post this link in their comment section. “When Gays Wanted to Liberate Children” https://bostonreview.net/articles/michael-bronski-gay-family/
Democrats don’t give a crap about children or families. Their LGBT mafia sued and shut down many Catholic Charities adoption services as they wouldn’t place children with anyone but heterosexual married couples. Nevermind that they wouldn’t place children with unmarried heterosexual couples either.
Satan always goes after the children.
Yeahhh… the Bible is very clear on the topic of homosexuality. But we’re also commanded to love the sinner but hate the sin. That doesn’t mean we condone their behavior – as that would make us sinful, but it means we are to pray for them that they will repent and come to the truth. For God does not want anyone to perish, but all to come to repentance.
We all need to be reminded:
“Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me remove the speck that is in your eye,’ when you yourself do not see the plank that is in your own eye? Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck that is in your brother’s eye.” ~ Luke 6:42 (NKJV)
Ditto!
I trust a very basic truth that God made humans male and female for a reason. To accept 2 homosexuals acquiring a woman’s eggs or a man’s sperm so they can have and raise kids is denying what God has made. I do not care about how conservative Rubin is or how wise they say he is or how many approvals he gets from Prager, Beck or anyone else. They are going against God. Honor they Father and Mother is kaput for them. Those kids will grow up in a household formed by a “union” that mocks God. It NEVER stops there. The blind leading the blind is what I see. They have fallen into the ditch. It is what it is.
I don’t judge anyone; I don’t hate anyone, and I’ll never hold anybody below me. God will judge him; the left will still hate him and try to keep him down. Dave is a classic liberal which is conservative. He has enough hatred towards him without true Christian conservatives joining in.
Yes, the Lord will judge him as He will judge us all. That is not an excuse to let others just say or do whatever they want while you hold your tongue. Dave made public a announcement and as such we can voice our disagreement with said announcement. If he had said in private to you “Hey, we are going to do this grossly immoral thing (which is what they are doing) and we wanted you to be a part of it” then you went out and blabbed, yes it would be wrong of you to violate that private trust. However, Dave made this publicly and all the moderates who are lobbing stones at conservatives for taking issue with this do not like Dave or you, they are going to criticize you no matter what. But they might respect you a little bit if you aren’t perceived as weak and not even standing for your own convictions.
“If you want to make a change, start with the man in the mirror”
~Michael Jackson
I am not saying otherwise, but that doesn’t mean that I need to look the other way when someone I claim to be friends with is doing something harmful, which he is. You aren’t going to make any friends by selling out your principles.
Message received.
In the context that Barb was using the word ‘judge, it means ‘to condemn’. Believers will be judged based upon the work they did in God’s name while they were on earth (Bema Seat Judgement). Non-believers will be judged based upon how they complied with His laws (Great White Throne Judgment).
Regardless if something is said in public or private, if a response is made lovingly and serves to bring that person to Christ, I would agree. But if it is made just to serve your own moral conscience or to simply call them out and / or make a spectacle of the person, it serves no one – including yourself. It only serves to push that person and possibly those that read the response further away from God.
Our Great Commission is to share the gospel with as many people as possible. While we do that, we need to remember that we are all sinners and fall short of the glory of God.
My point is that we don’t need to praise our friends for doing what is objectively evil, which is what Beck and other conservatives are doing. The leftists who hate you will not hate you any less when you approve of ungodly behavior.
President Reagan once said, “80% my friend is not 20% my enemy.”. One mistake does not equal going ‘full woke’. And I could give a rat’s patootie if anyone likes me or not.
But I do agree. It is truly better to keep silent than give the appearances of condoning sinful behavior. I simply do not support calling people out publicly that are in no position to have any real impact nor does it buy me anything in the eyes of God. If we were talking about a priest, pastor or government leader that would be a different story. But they’re not. They’re just podcasters.
Have you watched The Chosen? It’s an excellent series and I think you’d enjoy it.
You can watch it online here: https://watch.angelstudios.com/thechosen/watch or, if you have a Roku, you can install the Angel Studios channel and watch it on your TV.
Season 2, Episode 1 – Thunder, covers how we should respond to those that sin and those that hate us.
No one is saying Dave is an enemy. That is a leftist talking point that keeps “minorities” voting for them. We should strongly disagree with his decision to make babies with women and refuse to have a mother in those children’s lives. A man is not a woman. I’m not saying Beck or whomever should “call Dave out” I think Dice and others who are objecting to this are pointing out how we don’t need to endorse bad behaviors just to make friends. We have principles for a reason. Compromising with alligators does not make them your friends.
I agree 100% you do not need to “call them out” but if you are endorsing this by congratulating him then you really are not conserving anything of value.
You are conserving your integrity. I don’t believe in two classes of people the “us vs them” is Marxist identity politics. I don’t hold people who agree with me to different standards than I hold people who disagree with me to.
So saying “I agree with Dave on certain things, so I will give him a pass on this” while clutching your pearls about some leftist in the same situation is hypocritical.
One mistake does not make one an alligator. It makes them human. To be clear, I am not coming at this from a conservative position, I’m coming at it from a biblical one as I’m just a puny human.
Full woke? Really?
If I agree with 99% of what those people say and they say something in that one remaining percent that I don’t agree with, and that’s what they did … I’m not willing to throw them under the bus and ignore the 99% of what we agree on.
We should let these guys know we disagree with them, we should not try to destroy their influence on conservative thought by destroying them and declaring they have gone “full woke” and betrayed that 99% agreement.
I never did like Dave Rubin but he gives a voice to the gay conservative elements in the electorate. That’s not nearly so important as the fact that he speaks in favor of conservative issues which directly combats the misconception that if you belong to any of several certain demographics you must vote Democrat. In short, I appreciate a lot of what Dave Rubin says though I neither like nor agree with much of what he does.
In fact, I’m amazed that while Dave Rubin is lost in his homosexualty and doing things he has no business doing from the license he believes that gives him — He still has enough intellect to acknowledge that the nation would be a better place, even for him, if conservatism held political sway.
If I had my way Dave Rubin’s “marriage license” would be revoked and those two babies never, ever see his or his gay lover’s faces. I can’t do that, at the moment, so if he can persuade people of his particular deviancy to vote conservative that’s still a win and as much as can be hoped for right now. We can deal with the other problems when we have the power to do so but we won’t get that power if we burn every ideologically impure ally at the stake.
That said, I don’t agree with Dennis Prager, whom I have great respect for, nor Glen Beck, nor any other conservative personality that thinks Dave Rubin buying children is a good thing. I certainly do not. That being the case what I also certainly do not want them to do is dry up and blow away because “OMG! They’re all dead to me now that they’ve done this!!!”
Nearly every single personality in the conservative media has been declared anathema for one reason or another. I’ve even seen comments to the effect that Bill Whittle has “sold out’ to the Left and he most certainly has not.
Keep this up and we’ll have no voices left at all. Then we’ll all get what you deserve for doing that.
Your point is well taken. What I’m saying is that we need to be realistic about our allies. Not to throw them under the bus, but not paper-over our differences.
I like Mark Dice’s stuff too, mostly. He tends to go over the top sometimes and I usually comment about that on his YT channel when he does it. I get it, he has to publish something and he makes his living on YT etc.
Circular firing squads are never a real good idea and Mark tends to do that. That doesn’t mean I won’t watch his stuff either.
I can’t stand and don’t watch his “man in the street” stuff because he’s just interviewing dipstick Kalifornians on and near Santa Monica pier. Even in Los Angeles the suburb of Santa Monica is well known for being the furthest Left of the Left so the results of speaking to anyone out walking around in public during midday are wholly predictable. If you go to the pig pen it’s no surprise if all you find there are pigs.
Really glad you voiced your opinion on this matter. I agree that children need a mother (female) and a father (male) – not any other combination – to flourish and have the best possible outcome in life. Further and further we progress out on the limb of moral dilemma (coulda made a pun out of that if I’d wanted to;) until eventually, if we aren’t there already, the limb breaks and the values this country was founded upon are destroyed.
I admire Dennis Prager, think Glenn Beck is a bit of an emotional wreck, and appreciate that Dave Rubin speaks to most conservative values. But I was disappointed and ashamed of Dennis and Glenn for tacitly approving of Dave’s decision. I would hope both of them counseled Dave against it, and were unsuccessful, but as his friends, both of them chose to keep their public disapproval to themselves. I don’t think that’s right. They, and especially Dennis, should speak out on the reasons why homosexuals as well as single men and women have no business buying or adopting babies and depriving them of one or the other parent.
I won’t abandon Dennis and Glenn for their position, but I sure would like to hear Dennis explain or justify why he didn’t speak out against it.
There is no stopping point for the left – I have a vivid imagination but I doubt I could envision the lengths they will go to mire this country in the filthy depths of hell from whence they come. CRT and sex ed, focussing on graphic descriptions, books and demonstrations of fringe or deviant sexual practices starting as young as kindergarten; teachers sharing their sexual preferences with kids; promoting gay and trans behavior; telling kids not to tell their parents what goes on in the classroom; assisting and encouraging confused and emotionally disturbed kids in their beliefs that they are a different sex….it’s sickening and it’s evil.
When it comes to things like this it’s my personal opinion that conservatives with large followings should keep silent if they don’t feel they can openly condemn such things.
It’s not necessary to support everything someone does just because we’re on the same side. If you don’t agree with what they do you have to decide if the greater good is to openly disagree or just shut up and let it go.
Obviously I don’t hold back much myself when I disagree strongly with someone on this site. I realize I come on pretty strong sometimes but believe it or not that’s for purposes of edification of our side. I don’t have a one million+ subscriber list either and if I did I’d be a bit more circumspect about things. Circumspection is not the same thing as endorsement though.
If Dennis Prager and others who do have large platforms speak out in a favorable way for things like Dave Rubin and his boy toy buying babies I don’t agree at all with that. I understand that they’re trying to include the gay demographic under the Conservative Big Tent even though that’s not the only purpose. They’re also telling people who sympathize with gay people that it’s OK to be conservative, I just think they’re going about that in the wrong way.
Dave Rubin is to gay people and those sympathetic to them what Candace Owens is to Black people. That’s a good move but that doesn’t mean we have to go around endorsing everything they do either. As far as I’m concerned what Dave Rubin is doing would be exactly the same thing as if Candace Owens decided to get pregnant and raise her child as a single mother. I wouldn’t cheer that sort of thing either but I wouldn’t throw her under the bus if she made that choice.
One of the redeeming aspects regarding gay people is that unlike a nuclear family they cannot organically reproduce. When they buy kids from the rented reproductive organs of women they are finding a way to reproduce. I seriously doubt that those two kids will be raised in an environment where heterosexuality is the preferred and encouraged attitude. To do that Dave Rubin has to admit he’s doing something wrong and I don’t see that happening.
There are actually four victims of Rubin’s deviancy now. Before there were two consenting men who had chosen a lifestyle and I can’t see them as victims. Now there are two babies and two women involved also. Let’s not forget those women who no matter what they think today will go through their lives knowing they sold their own children for profit. That’s not going to do good things for them either mentally or spiritually.
Well said, it never stops at leaving them alone, they must inflict their sin onto others.
Hey Dindy Dee. How are things? Below is evidence of the gay agenda they continue to insist doesn’t and never existed. They’re lying Marxists/communists and tied directly to the Great Reset. Just look at the World Economic Forum website. All under their third lever of power of “equity” (along with systemic racism, trans issues…blah blah blah). The other two levers of power are the climate “crisis” necessitating “climate justice” and the pandemic which, of course, necessitated “health equity.” All fake emergencies they use to grab power and divide us while they implement their new world order. There’s a few counties in Michigan which have declared racism an emergency. The head of the health department in Philly is calling for “health equity” along with the rest of her communist friends (they could be Marxists or fascists technically. The distinction is irrelevant. Bottom line is they want full control over our lives).
But hey, we’re all “conspiracy theorists” right? That’s what the LGBT mafia called all of us who insisted they had a hidden agenda. Now look where we are.
Democrats don’t give a crap about children or families. Their LGBT mafia sued and shut down many Catholic Charities adoption services as they wouldn’t place children with anyone but heterosexual married couples. Nevermind that they wouldn’t place children with unmarried heterosexual couples either. They have always had an agenda despite their lies. Here’s an article proving so…”When Gays Wanted to Liberate Children” On the website bostonreview.net …They presented their agenda in 1972 to the DNC in Miami.
I understand why you say Beck is emotional. He definitely cares deeply, but he’s doing great work. His Wednesday specials in particular are spot on. There’s two people everyone should be watching. He’s one. Tucker is the other. Should also be reading Glenn Greenwald.
People think they’re immune. They’re not. The globalists control the central banks and can force businesses to toe the line. We dodged a huge bullet when the Supreme Court struck down Biden’s vaccine mandate through OSHA. If that had gone the other way, the tyrant establishment globalist would be screwing us seven different ways to Sunday with each administrative agency justifying it by climate emergencies, racism/equity emergencies and health emergencies while blackballing anyone and freezing bank accounts for anyone who opposed them.
If I look at 10 planks in a platform and can agree with someone on 6 or 7, I am good. I can note disagreement and move forward toward the same goal. I don’t agree with Glenn Youngkin on every issue, but he is a damn sight better than the ex-Clinton bag man, McAuliffe.
If those running against Youngkin in the primary or R voters attacked any issue where they didn’t agree with him, he would not have won the close race.
We need to keep Reagan’s 11th commandment. This was one of my least favorite things about DT, by knocking down others he likely cost himself a bigger senate majority.
Prager and Beck and Shaprio do way more good than bad, and I was actually impressed by Shaprio’s mea culpa on DT prior to the last election. More people need to be able to say “I was wrong”.
If I threw people under the bus every time I disagreed with them, the only person I would listen to is myself.
that is both lonely and limiting. One can’t learn if one doesn’t listen to different points of view.
But one can civilly disagree without tossing the good away.
We can civilly disagree, I am with you 100%, but that doesn’t mean you don’t stand on your own principles. If Dave was running for office against some blue-hair, I would vote for Dave every time but that doesn’t mean I need to say “Hey, that child abuse thing you are doing is A-OK” because it isn’t and saying that it is is actually evil.
That’s pretty much the way I see it. If Youngkin were a better conservative he might not have managed to pull of the election like he did in VA. A friend of mine and I were talking about how a State ought to have an electoral college style choosing process for Governor so that the counties had a chance to balance out dense population centers. It’s not right that the bulk of Virginia is conservative but get herded like cattle by a few Leftist metro areas with a lot of people … Oh well.
I see a lot of people have strong opinions on this blog post and many of them are confusing condemnation of a wrong act with total annihilation of a person who largely speaks for our side.
I’m not endorsing Rubin and his … thing. I’m not endorsing Prager, Shapiro, Beck or anyone else for congratulating him on successfully accomplishing his wrong deeds either. I’m just not willing to throw Prager and the rest under the bus, back it over them, and drive on their corpses multiple times. That’s what people are trying to do when they come out with this “full woke” baloney.
It’s our version of cancel culture. “You didn’t live up to the standards we set for you, one time, and so you must be destroyed forever.”
I’ve seen that nonsense applied to very nearly every conservative personality in media. From Tucker Carlson to Sean Hannity to Dennis Prager and many more. Even Bill Whittle is not immune from this crap. Sometimes I think a lot of people that call themselves conservatives don’t really want to win.
We need to work on ourselves, meaning our conservative demography, too. We should be trying to avoid the wrong and self-defeating things the Left does. Not slap a new coat of red paint on the same behavior and think we’re doing anything different than they do.
Mark Dice could have and should have approached this differently. Maybe he’s too young to remember Ronald Reagan and the 11th Commandment?
In general I agree with you completely but there are some lines that must not be crossed and this is one of them for me. We have lost so much ground because of our unwillingness to say that things that are wrong are wrong. If you are not willing to at least not congratulate this then I am not sure what exactly you are conserving anymore and thus I am not sure you deserve my support either. At least that is my two cents.
I don’t have any problem with saying things that are wrong are wrong. Re-read what I said above in my second post replying to Ron SAE —
“I see a lot of people have strong opinions on this blog post and many of them are confusing condemnation of a wrong act with total annihilation of a person who largely speaks for our side.”
There is a huge chasm between saying something you think is wrong is wrong and trying to destroy someone who is otherwise on our side. I’m all for the former and as solidly against the latter as I can be.
We’re in a serious political and social crisis with a growing existential threat to our Republic. That’s serious stuff, more serious than if someone like Mark Dice wants to destroy valuable allies in that fight. That’s a net loss. Friendly fire is a bad thing, if you really want conservative values and our Constitutional Republic to come out on top then destroying people who are on our side is a funny way to do it.
The response needs to be reasoned and proportional when someone on our side does something we disagree with. Withdrawing support completely over something like that is swatting a fly with a nuke.
I.E. PragerU has released over 1,000 videos. I don’t fully agree with everything in them but that’s a LOT of work and support for our side even so. Just because Dennis Prager took a totally wrong position one time in a thousand doesn’t mean I want him to dry up and blow away. He’s not gone “Full Woke”, FFS, he’s made an error. Even if it’s a serious error, it’s still just an error not a complete betrayal changing sides to hereafter promote Woke-ness.
If Prager, Beck, et. al. had said “I’ve decided that I’ve been wrong all my life and the conservative cause is inhumane, greedy, racist and evil. I’m going to remove all my previous content and now throw all my support to Social Marxism and the Left. All my future efforts will support my new position.” …
THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE “GOING FULL WOKE”.
None of them came anywhere near that mark. Accusing them of “going Full Woke” is absurd. It’s hyperbolic, myopic, juvenile and completely unwise.
If we keep doing that, there’s going to be no one left on our side. We will lose. If any conservative can say a million things you agree with but be dismissed, discredited and banished for the one thing you do not — You’re the only one left standing and it’s your own doing. Doing that kind of thing is what is eating the guts out of the Left from the inside right now. Mirroring that tactic on our side is a recipe for disaster.
A ‘recipe for disaster’ being promoted by our own people is a betrayal of far greater impact than Dennis Prager and Glenn Beck congratulating Dave Rubin on doing something he should not have done.
If I wanted to I could easily make the case that Mark Dice making the accusation of “Full Woke” is a betrayal on the part of Mark Dice. The end result is to elevate himself at the expense of conservatism by taking down larger conservative media personalities that have worked for so long and so hard in our cause. I could say that Mark Dice is using the Cancel Culture tactic of the Left to sow division and fragment the conservative community. I could say he’s doing that on purpose because he has observed the Left using that tactic and so knows it works. I could say that Mark Dice is hurting our side much more than any stupid public comments about Dave Rubin’s child purchases ever will. I could say that Mark Dice is dead to me and everyone should stop listening to what he has to say. All those things and more would be supportable but …
I’m not saying that at all.
What I am saying is that Dennis Prager, Glenn Beck and those others made a mistake in congratulating Dave Rubin publicly on his moral perfidy. I’m also saying that Mark Dice made a mistake in accusing them of going “Full Woke” which is tantamount to trying to push them off the Conservative Platform in front of a speeding subway train.
Like so many things, the choice is often one of the lesser of two evils. Trying to destroy the voices of some of our most prolific and popular conservatives is a far greater evil than just saying “I don’t agree with this and here’s why.”
It’s not a matter of standing on your own principles, if that was the case then you’d have to examine those principles and see if the idea of promoting them successfully had any priority. Because if it does, then sometimes you need to make some allowances for differences of opinions. You don’t have to agree, you certainly do not have to support, but you ought not destroy either.
If someone asks you a question, you do not have to answer fully and truthfully. Oh, you must if you do answer but you’re not compelled to answer. You can say “I’m not going to answer that.” or just keep silent too. That’s not lying and you should not lie, but you are not compelled to spill your guts or gush over a pair of bought babies either.
Neither should you be so infatuated with your own sense of right and wrong (which BTW is called “self-righteousness”) that you end up destroying what is good and helpful that supports your own goals. Just so you can be “right”.
There’s such a thing as Dead Right.
As my father explained to me — “If you’re at a stop light that turns green and you head across the intersection without first checking cross traffic, you are in the right. You have the right to enter the intersection. If then even though you’re right you get T-boned by a speeder who thought he could make the light before it turned red, he is wrong and you are still right. But you are Dead Right.”
Being “right” and doing what’s best are not the same things all the time. You can stand inflexibly on your principles but if you don’t take cross traffic into account you’re still a corpse in a mangled hunk of metal that used to be an automobile. A faultless, righteous, stupid corpse.
If we’re going to win this thing, we’ve got to be smart about it.
34 replies on “Pager U and Ben Shapiro have caved to the LGBT mob: they have gone woke.”
I am not shocked in the slightest by this. Like the church growth movement before it the conservative big tent movement is a complete corruption and will completely devolve into more and more degeneracy. What Dave is doing is horrible beyond belief and should be called as such. He claims to not want to push his beliefs on others but he is now forcefully subjecting tow children to this sin. Yes we all sin and subject other to it because we are fallen creatures but this is willfully separating yourself from God and also separating two children from God by subjecting them to this evil.
I agree with Mark’s position, but think it’s foolish to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Dave’s timing is horrible. It puts us all in a terrible position. We need to be united now more than ever and can’t afford the damage a debate would cause. Sometimes you have to pick your battles, and in my opinion, that’s part of the calculus for Prager and Beck. Having said that, I would have preferred they remained silent rather than celebrating it. Even that though would have been used by the left to sow division. This was a tricky one.
Progressives are fantastic at eroding our cornerstones into shivs then stabbing US in the back with them. The “I just want to be friends” conservatives are too quick to find “common ground” and bend a little here and there and end up aiding the progressives in that back stabbing. President Trump learned this the hard way his first year in office where he tried to rally support from our communists in Congress and the Media and gave into their demands and they still called him every name in the book. We gain nothing by abandoning our principles.
By the way, it’s not obvious, but if you want to edit or make changes to a blog post, you need to go to Members – My Blog Dashboard. I needed to ask someone myself a while back.
The progressive communist Democrats have always had an agenda despite their lies. Here’s an article proving so…”When Gays Wanted to Liberate Children” On the website bostonreview.net …They presented their agenda in 1972 to the DNC in Miami. By the way, YouTube won’t allow me to post this link in their comment section. “When Gays Wanted to Liberate Children”
https://bostonreview.net/articles/michael-bronski-gay-family/
Democrats don’t give a crap about children or families. Their LGBT mafia sued and shut down many Catholic Charities adoption services as they wouldn’t place children with anyone but heterosexual married couples. Nevermind that they wouldn’t place children with unmarried heterosexual couples either.
Satan always goes after the children.
Yeahhh… the Bible is very clear on the topic of homosexuality. But we’re also commanded to love the sinner but hate the sin. That doesn’t mean we condone their behavior – as that would make us sinful, but it means we are to pray for them that they will repent and come to the truth. For God does not want anyone to perish, but all to come to repentance.
We all need to be reminded:
“Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me remove the speck that is in your eye,’ when you yourself do not see the plank that is in your own eye? Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck that is in your brother’s eye.” ~ Luke 6:42 (NKJV)
Ditto!
I trust a very basic truth that God made humans male and female for a reason. To accept 2 homosexuals acquiring a woman’s eggs or a man’s sperm so they can have and raise kids is denying what God has made. I do not care about how conservative Rubin is or how wise they say he is or how many approvals he gets from Prager, Beck or anyone else. They are going against God. Honor they Father and Mother is kaput for them. Those kids will grow up in a household formed by a “union” that mocks God. It NEVER stops there. The blind leading the blind is what I see. They have fallen into the ditch. It is what it is.
I don’t judge anyone; I don’t hate anyone, and I’ll never hold anybody below me. God will judge him; the left will still hate him and try to keep him down. Dave is a classic liberal which is conservative. He has enough hatred towards him without true Christian conservatives joining in.
Yes, the Lord will judge him as He will judge us all. That is not an excuse to let others just say or do whatever they want while you hold your tongue. Dave made public a announcement and as such we can voice our disagreement with said announcement. If he had said in private to you “Hey, we are going to do this grossly immoral thing (which is what they are doing) and we wanted you to be a part of it” then you went out and blabbed, yes it would be wrong of you to violate that private trust. However, Dave made this publicly and all the moderates who are lobbing stones at conservatives for taking issue with this do not like Dave or you, they are going to criticize you no matter what. But they might respect you a little bit if you aren’t perceived as weak and not even standing for your own convictions.
“If you want to make a change, start with the man in the mirror”
~Michael Jackson
I am not saying otherwise, but that doesn’t mean that I need to look the other way when someone I claim to be friends with is doing something harmful, which he is. You aren’t going to make any friends by selling out your principles.
Message received.
In the context that Barb was using the word ‘judge, it means ‘to condemn’. Believers will be judged based upon the work they did in God’s name while they were on earth (Bema Seat Judgement). Non-believers will be judged based upon how they complied with His laws (Great White Throne Judgment).
Regardless if something is said in public or private, if a response is made lovingly and serves to bring that person to Christ, I would agree. But if it is made just to serve your own moral conscience or to simply call them out and / or make a spectacle of the person, it serves no one – including yourself. It only serves to push that person and possibly those that read the response further away from God.
Our Great Commission is to share the gospel with as many people as possible. While we do that, we need to remember that we are all sinners and fall short of the glory of God.
My point is that we don’t need to praise our friends for doing what is objectively evil, which is what Beck and other conservatives are doing. The leftists who hate you will not hate you any less when you approve of ungodly behavior.
President Reagan once said, “80% my friend is not 20% my enemy.”. One mistake does not equal going ‘full woke’. And I could give a rat’s patootie if anyone likes me or not.
But I do agree. It is truly better to keep silent than give the appearances of condoning sinful behavior. I simply do not support calling people out publicly that are in no position to have any real impact nor does it buy me anything in the eyes of God. If we were talking about a priest, pastor or government leader that would be a different story. But they’re not. They’re just podcasters.
Have you watched The Chosen? It’s an excellent series and I think you’d enjoy it.
You can watch it online here: https://watch.angelstudios.com/thechosen/watch
or, if you have a Roku, you can install the Angel Studios channel and watch it on your TV.
Season 2, Episode 1 – Thunder, covers how we should respond to those that sin and those that hate us.
No one is saying Dave is an enemy. That is a leftist talking point that keeps “minorities” voting for them. We should strongly disagree with his decision to make babies with women and refuse to have a mother in those children’s lives. A man is not a woman. I’m not saying Beck or whomever should “call Dave out” I think Dice and others who are objecting to this are pointing out how we don’t need to endorse bad behaviors just to make friends. We have principles for a reason. Compromising with alligators does not make them your friends.
I agree 100% you do not need to “call them out” but if you are endorsing this by congratulating him then you really are not conserving anything of value.
You are conserving your integrity. I don’t believe in two classes of people the “us vs them” is Marxist identity politics. I don’t hold people who agree with me to different standards than I hold people who disagree with me to.
So saying “I agree with Dave on certain things, so I will give him a pass on this” while clutching your pearls about some leftist in the same situation is hypocritical.
One mistake does not make one an alligator. It makes them human. To be clear, I am not coming at this from a conservative position, I’m coming at it from a biblical one as I’m just a puny human.
Full woke? Really?
If I agree with 99% of what those people say and they say something in that one remaining percent that I don’t agree with, and that’s what they did … I’m not willing to throw them under the bus and ignore the 99% of what we agree on.
We should let these guys know we disagree with them, we should not try to destroy their influence on conservative thought by destroying them and declaring they have gone “full woke” and betrayed that 99% agreement.
I never did like Dave Rubin but he gives a voice to the gay conservative elements in the electorate. That’s not nearly so important as the fact that he speaks in favor of conservative issues which directly combats the misconception that if you belong to any of several certain demographics you must vote Democrat. In short, I appreciate a lot of what Dave Rubin says though I neither like nor agree with much of what he does.
In fact, I’m amazed that while Dave Rubin is lost in his homosexualty and doing things he has no business doing from the license he believes that gives him — He still has enough intellect to acknowledge that the nation would be a better place, even for him, if conservatism held political sway.
If I had my way Dave Rubin’s “marriage license” would be revoked and those two babies never, ever see his or his gay lover’s faces. I can’t do that, at the moment, so if he can persuade people of his particular deviancy to vote conservative that’s still a win and as much as can be hoped for right now. We can deal with the other problems when we have the power to do so but we won’t get that power if we burn every ideologically impure ally at the stake.
That said, I don’t agree with Dennis Prager, whom I have great respect for, nor Glen Beck, nor any other conservative personality that thinks Dave Rubin buying children is a good thing. I certainly do not. That being the case what I also certainly do not want them to do is dry up and blow away because “OMG! They’re all dead to me now that they’ve done this!!!”
Nearly every single personality in the conservative media has been declared anathema for one reason or another. I’ve even seen comments to the effect that Bill Whittle has “sold out’ to the Left and he most certainly has not.
Keep this up and we’ll have no voices left at all. Then we’ll all get what you deserve for doing that.
Your point is well taken. What I’m saying is that we need to be realistic about our allies. Not to throw them under the bus, but not paper-over our differences.
I like Mark Dice’s stuff too, mostly. He tends to go over the top sometimes and I usually comment about that on his YT channel when he does it. I get it, he has to publish something and he makes his living on YT etc.
Circular firing squads are never a real good idea and Mark tends to do that. That doesn’t mean I won’t watch his stuff either.
I can’t stand and don’t watch his “man in the street” stuff because he’s just interviewing dipstick Kalifornians on and near Santa Monica pier. Even in Los Angeles the suburb of Santa Monica is well known for being the furthest Left of the Left so the results of speaking to anyone out walking around in public during midday are wholly predictable. If you go to the pig pen it’s no surprise if all you find there are pigs.
Really glad you voiced your opinion on this matter. I agree that children need a mother (female) and a father (male) – not any other combination – to flourish and have the best possible outcome in life. Further and further we progress out on the limb of moral dilemma (coulda made a pun out of that if I’d wanted to;) until eventually, if we aren’t there already, the limb breaks and the values this country was founded upon are destroyed.
I admire Dennis Prager, think Glenn Beck is a bit of an emotional wreck, and appreciate that Dave Rubin speaks to most conservative values. But I was disappointed and ashamed of Dennis and Glenn for tacitly approving of Dave’s decision. I would hope both of them counseled Dave against it, and were unsuccessful, but as his friends, both of them chose to keep their public disapproval to themselves. I don’t think that’s right. They, and especially Dennis, should speak out on the reasons why homosexuals as well as single men and women have no business buying or adopting babies and depriving them of one or the other parent.
I won’t abandon Dennis and Glenn for their position, but I sure would like to hear Dennis explain or justify why he didn’t speak out against it.
There is no stopping point for the left – I have a vivid imagination but I doubt I could envision the lengths they will go to mire this country in the filthy depths of hell from whence they come. CRT and sex ed, focussing on graphic descriptions, books and demonstrations of fringe or deviant sexual practices starting as young as kindergarten; teachers sharing their sexual preferences with kids; promoting gay and trans behavior; telling kids not to tell their parents what goes on in the classroom; assisting and encouraging confused and emotionally disturbed kids in their beliefs that they are a different sex….it’s sickening and it’s evil.
When it comes to things like this it’s my personal opinion that conservatives with large followings should keep silent if they don’t feel they can openly condemn such things.
It’s not necessary to support everything someone does just because we’re on the same side. If you don’t agree with what they do you have to decide if the greater good is to openly disagree or just shut up and let it go.
Obviously I don’t hold back much myself when I disagree strongly with someone on this site. I realize I come on pretty strong sometimes but believe it or not that’s for purposes of edification of our side. I don’t have a one million+ subscriber list either and if I did I’d be a bit more circumspect about things. Circumspection is not the same thing as endorsement though.
If Dennis Prager and others who do have large platforms speak out in a favorable way for things like Dave Rubin and his boy toy buying babies I don’t agree at all with that. I understand that they’re trying to include the gay demographic under the Conservative Big Tent even though that’s not the only purpose. They’re also telling people who sympathize with gay people that it’s OK to be conservative, I just think they’re going about that in the wrong way.
Dave Rubin is to gay people and those sympathetic to them what Candace Owens is to Black people. That’s a good move but that doesn’t mean we have to go around endorsing everything they do either. As far as I’m concerned what Dave Rubin is doing would be exactly the same thing as if Candace Owens decided to get pregnant and raise her child as a single mother. I wouldn’t cheer that sort of thing either but I wouldn’t throw her under the bus if she made that choice.
One of the redeeming aspects regarding gay people is that unlike a nuclear family they cannot organically reproduce. When they buy kids from the rented reproductive organs of women they are finding a way to reproduce. I seriously doubt that those two kids will be raised in an environment where heterosexuality is the preferred and encouraged attitude. To do that Dave Rubin has to admit he’s doing something wrong and I don’t see that happening.
There are actually four victims of Rubin’s deviancy now. Before there were two consenting men who had chosen a lifestyle and I can’t see them as victims. Now there are two babies and two women involved also. Let’s not forget those women who no matter what they think today will go through their lives knowing they sold their own children for profit. That’s not going to do good things for them either mentally or spiritually.
Well said, it never stops at leaving them alone, they must inflict their sin onto others.
Hey Dindy Dee. How are things? Below is evidence of the gay agenda they continue to insist doesn’t and never existed. They’re lying Marxists/communists and tied directly to the Great Reset. Just look at the World Economic Forum website. All under their third lever of power of “equity” (along with systemic racism, trans issues…blah blah blah). The other two levers of power are the climate “crisis” necessitating “climate justice” and the pandemic which, of course, necessitated “health equity.” All fake emergencies they use to grab power and divide us while they implement their new world order. There’s a few counties in Michigan which have declared racism an emergency. The head of the health department in Philly is calling for “health equity” along with the rest of her communist friends (they could be Marxists or fascists technically. The distinction is irrelevant. Bottom line is they want full control over our lives).
Bongino just posted a video showing Biden talking about the new world order:
https://rumble.com/vy588l-biden-theres-going-to-be-a-new-world-order-soon.html
But hey, we’re all “conspiracy theorists” right? That’s what the LGBT mafia called all of us who insisted they had a hidden agenda. Now look where we are.
Democrats don’t give a crap about children or families. Their LGBT mafia sued and shut down many Catholic Charities adoption services as they wouldn’t place children with anyone but heterosexual married couples. Nevermind that they wouldn’t place children with unmarried heterosexual couples either. They have always had an agenda despite their lies. Here’s an article proving so…”When Gays Wanted to Liberate Children” On the website bostonreview.net …They presented their agenda in 1972 to the DNC in Miami.
“When Gays Wanted to Liberate Children”
https://bostonreview.net/articles/michael-bronski-gay-family/
I understand why you say Beck is emotional. He definitely cares deeply, but he’s doing great work. His Wednesday specials in particular are spot on. There’s two people everyone should be watching. He’s one. Tucker is the other. Should also be reading Glenn Greenwald.
People think they’re immune. They’re not. The globalists control the central banks and can force businesses to toe the line. We dodged a huge bullet when the Supreme Court struck down Biden’s vaccine mandate through OSHA. If that had gone the other way, the tyrant establishment globalist would be screwing us seven different ways to Sunday with each administrative agency justifying it by climate emergencies, racism/equity emergencies and health emergencies while blackballing anyone and freezing bank accounts for anyone who opposed them.
If I look at 10 planks in a platform and can agree with someone on 6 or 7, I am good. I can note disagreement and move forward toward the same goal. I don’t agree with Glenn Youngkin on every issue, but he is a damn sight better than the ex-Clinton bag man, McAuliffe.
If those running against Youngkin in the primary or R voters attacked any issue where they didn’t agree with him, he would not have won the close race.
We need to keep Reagan’s 11th commandment. This was one of my least favorite things about DT, by knocking down others he likely cost himself a bigger senate majority.
Prager and Beck and Shaprio do way more good than bad, and I was actually impressed by Shaprio’s mea culpa on DT prior to the last election. More people need to be able to say “I was wrong”.
If I threw people under the bus every time I disagreed with them, the only person I would listen to is myself.
that is both lonely and limiting. One can’t learn if one doesn’t listen to different points of view.
But one can civilly disagree without tossing the good away.
We can civilly disagree, I am with you 100%, but that doesn’t mean you don’t stand on your own principles. If Dave was running for office against some blue-hair, I would vote for Dave every time but that doesn’t mean I need to say “Hey, that child abuse thing you are doing is A-OK” because it isn’t and saying that it is is actually evil.
That’s pretty much the way I see it. If Youngkin were a better conservative he might not have managed to pull of the election like he did in VA. A friend of mine and I were talking about how a State ought to have an electoral college style choosing process for Governor so that the counties had a chance to balance out dense population centers. It’s not right that the bulk of Virginia is conservative but get herded like cattle by a few Leftist metro areas with a lot of people … Oh well.
I see a lot of people have strong opinions on this blog post and many of them are confusing condemnation of a wrong act with total annihilation of a person who largely speaks for our side.
I’m not endorsing Rubin and his … thing. I’m not endorsing Prager, Shapiro, Beck or anyone else for congratulating him on successfully accomplishing his wrong deeds either. I’m just not willing to throw Prager and the rest under the bus, back it over them, and drive on their corpses multiple times. That’s what people are trying to do when they come out with this “full woke” baloney.
It’s our version of cancel culture. “You didn’t live up to the standards we set for you, one time, and so you must be destroyed forever.”
I’ve seen that nonsense applied to very nearly every conservative personality in media. From Tucker Carlson to Sean Hannity to Dennis Prager and many more. Even Bill Whittle is not immune from this crap. Sometimes I think a lot of people that call themselves conservatives don’t really want to win.
We need to work on ourselves, meaning our conservative demography, too. We should be trying to avoid the wrong and self-defeating things the Left does. Not slap a new coat of red paint on the same behavior and think we’re doing anything different than they do.
Mark Dice could have and should have approached this differently. Maybe he’s too young to remember Ronald Reagan and the 11th Commandment?
In general I agree with you completely but there are some lines that must not be crossed and this is one of them for me. We have lost so much ground because of our unwillingness to say that things that are wrong are wrong. If you are not willing to at least not congratulate this then I am not sure what exactly you are conserving anymore and thus I am not sure you deserve my support either. At least that is my two cents.
I don’t have any problem with saying things that are wrong are wrong. Re-read what I said above in my second post replying to Ron SAE —
“I see a lot of people have strong opinions on this blog post and many of them are confusing condemnation of a wrong act with total annihilation of a person who largely speaks for our side.”
There is a huge chasm between saying something you think is wrong is wrong and trying to destroy someone who is otherwise on our side. I’m all for the former and as solidly against the latter as I can be.
We’re in a serious political and social crisis with a growing existential threat to our Republic. That’s serious stuff, more serious than if someone like Mark Dice wants to destroy valuable allies in that fight. That’s a net loss. Friendly fire is a bad thing, if you really want conservative values and our Constitutional Republic to come out on top then destroying people who are on our side is a funny way to do it.
The response needs to be reasoned and proportional when someone on our side does something we disagree with. Withdrawing support completely over something like that is swatting a fly with a nuke.
I.E. PragerU has released over 1,000 videos. I don’t fully agree with everything in them but that’s a LOT of work and support for our side even so. Just because Dennis Prager took a totally wrong position one time in a thousand doesn’t mean I want him to dry up and blow away. He’s not gone “Full Woke”, FFS, he’s made an error. Even if it’s a serious error, it’s still just an error not a complete betrayal changing sides to hereafter promote Woke-ness.
If Prager, Beck, et. al. had said “I’ve decided that I’ve been wrong all my life and the conservative cause is inhumane, greedy, racist and evil. I’m going to remove all my previous content and now throw all my support to Social Marxism and the Left. All my future efforts will support my new position.” …
THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE “GOING FULL WOKE”.
None of them came anywhere near that mark. Accusing them of “going Full Woke” is absurd. It’s hyperbolic, myopic, juvenile and completely unwise.
If we keep doing that, there’s going to be no one left on our side. We will lose. If any conservative can say a million things you agree with but be dismissed, discredited and banished for the one thing you do not — You’re the only one left standing and it’s your own doing. Doing that kind of thing is what is eating the guts out of the Left from the inside right now. Mirroring that tactic on our side is a recipe for disaster.
A ‘recipe for disaster’ being promoted by our own people is a betrayal of far greater impact than Dennis Prager and Glenn Beck congratulating Dave Rubin on doing something he should not have done.
If I wanted to I could easily make the case that Mark Dice making the accusation of “Full Woke” is a betrayal on the part of Mark Dice. The end result is to elevate himself at the expense of conservatism by taking down larger conservative media personalities that have worked for so long and so hard in our cause. I could say that Mark Dice is using the Cancel Culture tactic of the Left to sow division and fragment the conservative community. I could say he’s doing that on purpose because he has observed the Left using that tactic and so knows it works. I could say that Mark Dice is hurting our side much more than any stupid public comments about Dave Rubin’s child purchases ever will. I could say that Mark Dice is dead to me and everyone should stop listening to what he has to say. All those things and more would be supportable but …
I’m not saying that at all.
What I am saying is that Dennis Prager, Glenn Beck and those others made a mistake in congratulating Dave Rubin publicly on his moral perfidy. I’m also saying that Mark Dice made a mistake in accusing them of going “Full Woke” which is tantamount to trying to push them off the Conservative Platform in front of a speeding subway train.
Like so many things, the choice is often one of the lesser of two evils. Trying to destroy the voices of some of our most prolific and popular conservatives is a far greater evil than just saying “I don’t agree with this and here’s why.”
It’s not a matter of standing on your own principles, if that was the case then you’d have to examine those principles and see if the idea of promoting them successfully had any priority. Because if it does, then sometimes you need to make some allowances for differences of opinions. You don’t have to agree, you certainly do not have to support, but you ought not destroy either.
If someone asks you a question, you do not have to answer fully and truthfully. Oh, you must if you do answer but you’re not compelled to answer. You can say “I’m not going to answer that.” or just keep silent too. That’s not lying and you should not lie, but you are not compelled to spill your guts or gush over a pair of bought babies either.
Neither should you be so infatuated with your own sense of right and wrong (which BTW is called “self-righteousness”) that you end up destroying what is good and helpful that supports your own goals. Just so you can be “right”.
There’s such a thing as Dead Right.
As my father explained to me — “If you’re at a stop light that turns green and you head across the intersection without first checking cross traffic, you are in the right. You have the right to enter the intersection. If then even though you’re right you get T-boned by a speeder who thought he could make the light before it turned red, he is wrong and you are still right. But you are Dead Right.”
Being “right” and doing what’s best are not the same things all the time. You can stand inflexibly on your principles but if you don’t take cross traffic into account you’re still a corpse in a mangled hunk of metal that used to be an automobile. A faultless, righteous, stupid corpse.
If we’re going to win this thing, we’ve got to be smart about it.