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Family: Why the Progressive Left MUST Crush It

The traditional family is the main target of the Progressive Left for a good reason. Why is the family so important and what can conservatives do to preserve it?

The traditional family is the main target of the Progressive Left for a good reason. Why is the family so important and what can conservatives do to preserve it?


7 replies on “Family: Why the Progressive Left MUST Crush It”

Very thought provoking differences of opinion.

Please, however, don’t join the bandwagon of politically correct men-bashing. The vast majority of husband/fathers would remain so if permitted to do so. Our “justice” system is heavily stacked in favor of screwing the Dad. Women file for divorce more than twice as often as men because they’re incentivized by the “cash & prizes” they normally get. Marrying the government becomes very lucrative plus they can still soak the husband. Even when a husband “looks elsewhere,” studies consistently indicate that it’s most often because the wifehas defrauded him (1 Cor 7:1-5). While there’s no excuse for infidelity, neither is there any excuse for defrauding your spouse.

God gave us free will. The behavior we chose to admire is more important than our theology. (That said, I firmly believe that Judeo-Christian theology works best with the nature that God instilled in us.) And family is best for survival of our species. A “perfect” theology that doesn’t survive to the next generation is weeded out.
A corollary of my thinking that Christian theology works best with human nature is that capitalism also works best with human nature as long as it is based in a Christian world.
The Left has to destroy free will, Western civilization, Christianity, and capitalism in order to redefine a new normal.
It won’t work, because without family their ideas won’t be passed on (to the absent) next generation.

Everything Jennifer said plus, these words both of you speak,,,,,they don’t just go out into the ethersphere.
I hear both of you speak, and I learn a little more. Keep speaking. Please and thank you.

This was a good one, mostly.

Zo? Yeah not everything is an opportunity for you to preach a Sunday sermon. First of all, you’re mostly preaching to the choir here. Those of us who are Christians already get it and we know all this stuff. There are people who are not of any declared faith and/or self professed atheists here but those people aren’t going to listen to you preach a sermon and give a faith they do not believe in any credit anyway.

There are also Catholics and people of other denominations who don’t see things the way you do and they’re not impressed with your piety either.

I get it, I’m just saying that if you want to work your faith into the discussion you might bear in mind that’s what you’re doing and consider that this goes on YouTube and Rumble where overt piety might not be as effective a tool as you would like it to be. People go to church to hear a sermon, this ain’t church.

I’m not saying ‘tone it down’ I’m saying ‘make it work’. Scott Ott is a great example of that in principle. We all know Scott is a Christian and he demonstrates his Christianity not by preaching but by being Scott Ott.

I’m also not saying you should deny your faith or try to hide it. I’m aware of how Biblical principles apply to real life and when the opportunity comes to do that no Christian should shy away from it. You’re trying a bit too hard and half this episode was taken up with Bill trying to get you to understand his point because you just zoomed in on Biblical platitudes and stayed there. I appreciate the fact that you live a Biblio-centric life but there are ways to demonstrate that without being abstruse, obstinate or obtuse about it.

The problem with ideological discussions is that people tend to remain in the ideology and ignore the practicality. Speaking for myself, I get the “what” it’s the “how” that I’m more interested in.

Bill’s point on family is a good one but it only applies to good families. I have known plenty of people in my life that came from terrible families and the idea of a ‘good’ family completely eludes them. Their experience makes a good family incomprehensible to them. I was very fortunate to be raised in a Godly ‘good family’ so I’m acutely aware of that blessing and extremely grateful.

According to my kids I raised them in that environment too. Which is not surprising, like begets like.

I told them from as early as I felt they could understand such things that their order of loyalty and priority is — God first, then Family, then Country.

The Almighty is incontrovertible and uncontradictable. If family countermands God, God wins.

Family is the structure that your support system comes from and at least in a good family it’s a vital part of wellbeing. So family comes after God.

Your country is like your family when the country is working right and you owe allegiance and loyalty to your country. If your country contradicts God or Family then it loses that or those bits that are in conflict are something to try to change and if change cannot be accomplished then resistance is in order.

A good country and a good family are not in conflict with each other and neither is in conflict with God. If there’s conflict then the order of priority is clear.

So I agree with Bill as far as what he said applies to good families. Those terrible families I mentioned are problematic. It is the people from those families that we are trying to reach. If you grew up in a broken or disfunctional family then you were not taught the lessons of right and wrong you should have gotten had you been in a good family. You then have to learn them for yourself, as Bill says he did. (He says “It took a long time for life to beat the stupid out of me.”)

You don’t reach such people with sermons, they do not know the value of a good sermon nor will they accept such as having value. That’s a tough situation to deal with.

You can’t reach people like that by quoting the Bible. You can’t reach people like that by saying “Thus sayeth the Lord”. Scripture has no value in their views. They’re wrong but I’m not talking about what should be but what is.

You have to reach them by example not by citation. Comparatively few of us are called to be preachers because that is among the most difficult of professions. It is a profession that requires a true calling to in order to work properly. This is why preachers are also often called “ministers”. They are not ‘ministers of God’ in the sense of a Prime Minister or Minister of War or Minister of the Interior. They are ministers of God’s children whom they provide ministration to. All of God’s children, not just the ones of Faith. A minister of true calling never forgets these things for even one minute. That is the nature of a true call to ministry.

Not only is preaching one of the very most difficult professions, it’s one that can easily do more harm than good if it’s not done properly. You might not think so but if that’s the case then you really shouldn’t be a preacher and you should not be preaching.

Whether someone is secular or of a particular Christian Denominational Faith, the Judeo-Christian value system is still the very best means of applied humanity ever to be devised. We know that this comes from God, people who don’t know God need to have this demonstrated to them, not preached at them. Not because they don’t need this, because they don’t get the message from preaching. Right message, wrong tool.

Thank you both, this was an exceptional discussion of many topics that hit home for me on several levels. I love the political stuff (too much, some say) but the life stuff is solid, really grounded and thought-provoking. The glimpses into your life experiences add shape and texture to the points you make. Thank you very much!

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