Every civilized person feels that sickening knot in their stomachs when news breaks of another mass shooting. Scott Ott’s church is a seven minute drive from the scene of the carnage in Allen, TX. It’s not longer a question of ‘why do these things happen?’ Now we have to start to deal with what we can and cannot do about them and how to try to recover from them when they do.
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The farther away society gets from the moral base upon which western culture was established, the more disturbed people it’s going to produce, and the more disturbed people we produce, the more we’re going to see this kind of thing.
Today is a different world we live in. These things happen & will continue. We know there have been plane crashes & they will happen again but you can’t quit flying & you can’t quit going to places of business or churches.
I agree with Scott & hate to say it but THIS WILL NEVER STOP. These unstable people will acquire a gun SOMEWHERE & complete their awful act.
Difficult to legislate morality and sanity.
>”Where are we safe anymore?”<. We are all safe when we carry or own PROTECTION. That’s not going to prevent bad guys from assaulting/attacking/shooting us, but it DOES put us in position to PROTECT and defend ourselves and our fellow man.
Average killed it ‘mass’ shootings when shooter is stopped by LEOs: 18.7
Average killed it ‘mass’ shootings when shooter is stopped by armed citizen: 2.3. (FBI annual crime report)
Safety was always an illusion. It is just right now the blindfold has been violently ripped off. that and with our new up to the minute newscasts wee all find out about incidents at virtually the same time rather than a gradual spreading of the news as you get further from the location. it used to be by the time it became news on the far side of the country it had become old news where it happened. we wouldn’t have had all these hot spots flare up all at once. Technically if we eliminate 90% of these gun free zones we might be able to try other types of protection for the ones left because we have eliminated 90% of the favorable soft targets.
Allow me to share my initial thoughts. Thank God I live in Texas. Don’t waste time on the “whys”. It doesn’t matter “why”. Focus rather on the “hows”. How will you respond if you find yourself in the midst of tragedy. Before coming to Texas, I had little option. Self-defense was illegal. Here, I carry concealed and am prepared to defend myself and those around me.
Regarding eternity, no one good or evil ceases to exist; life is energy and energy cannot be created or destroyed; it is recycled. Therefore it is possible that the pure of heart and the purely evil have been here before and will be here again. Heaven and hell may or may not exist. That is a matter of individual faith. Nevertheless, eternity exists.
A hard question is “Do we reap what we sow?” because on reflection didn’t we, as a society, create those that commit such atrocities?
Blaming society for creating these individuals is like blaming the river for creating the flood. Society as a whole is not responsible to these people. Their families and the people close to them had some responsibility for seeing and recognizing the precursor behaviors that led up to this.
Ultimate responsibility >always< resides with the individual.
No-one led him to these acts, no-one forced his hand. HE made the decisions. HE carried out the actions.
This is the fallacy that leads to taking guns away from law-abiding citizens because of the actions of the lawless few. I had NO part in his actions, I REFUSE to be held to blame for him. And frankly, I resent the implication.
tl:dr, NO, we do not “reap what we sowed”.
I think the most notable information provided was that a near identical mass murder occurred at virtually the same time and no fire arms were used in the second one and little if any media coverage occurred. Also, it needs to be emphasized that the first one was stopped relatively quickly by a good guy with a gun. Personally I was a little surprised that there was not more citizens aiding the officer with guns of their own, legally carried and trained.
Also, there is a significant difference between being situationally aware and vigilant, and living in fear. I live in a small town in Wyoming where my concern and awareness for random violence is very low but it is not zero.
No one helped because that site was a gun-free zone, and apparently in Texas if you flout that warning sign you are in for more than a request to leave on pain of trespassing. It’s a law, with teeth in it.
I learned this from an article by Massad Ayoob, at Backwoods Home magazine’s website:
backwoodshome dot com/blogs/MassadAyoob/The Dallas Massacre and Gun Free Zones
Ayoob did not discuss the “30.06” law that makes carrying where you’re not supposed to, problematic. Commenters from Texas did.
While I routinely ignore the gun-free zone signs I certainly don’t flout that I do. It’s called concealed carry for a reason. I would much rather take my chances with a trespassing charge than have my only option for protecting my self and my loved ones be placing my unarmed body between an insane shooter and them. The world we live in is not the world I grew up in! My mantra has been “adapt or die, seen any dinosaurs lately!”
When people say they want the mass shootings to stop, I say I have a way to do that, but implantation is “problematic”. Banning guns won’t do it, as the worst mass shootings occur in gun free areas/ countries. And guns will be produced no matter what. 3d printing ensures guns.
My solution?
Kill everyone. Nothing else will stop the killings.
Note this is just to prove a point.
Worst mass death at a US school? 1927 Bath Michigan. One shot fired. At a truck full of explosives. After an initial bombing there.
First murder? Cain killed Able. No gun . No bomb. Rock most likely.
When did these gun crimes start to increase?
60s. When mental institutions were being shut down. Prayers banned in schools. State welfare reducing the need for fathers in the home. Now recently not prosecuting criminals. Before that, you could go into a hardware store and buy a gun. No check made.
Given flawed humans, stopping it is not possible. But it can be slowed.
As I’ve said before: gun free zone = helpless victim zone.
Romans 13, the chapter that tells us to submit to government, also tells us why in verse 3.
“ For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad.”
The governments in many American cities, especially those run by Democrats, are doing exactly the opposite. It is also the mindset of many politicians at the federal level.
I believe the purpose is to make Americans fearful. A fearful populace is an easily controlled populace. It is, and always has been about control of the hoi polloi by the self proclaimed elite. I’m still gobsmacked at the number of people out there who are still wearing masks.
Decades ago I was called to the Emergency Room at a hospital I covered for ENT. Some angry investor had gone to a Buckhead investment firm and begun shooting. The final tally of the dead was 19, I believe. The young lady I was called to see had been shot through both eyes. This hospital was not a trauma hospital, but there were so many victims that the ambulances went everywhere close by, several non-trauma hospitals pitching in to help, established surgeons pulling from their past training how to triage the wounded. While evaluating the lady, she also had an entry wound in the chest that had been missed because of the horror of her facial wound and the lack of experience with trauma evaluation in the staff.
All this to say, you don’t expect that it will ever happen in your neck of the woods until it does. No amount of gun laws or psychological support could have anticipated the crime. You can’t legislate away evil. You can’t predict what will trigger someone to go crazy and disregard human life, acting out lethal violence.
What you can do is be there to help them when sh*t happens. That lady is alive with a service dog that she loves, blind of course, but alive and grateful.
I do believe that the randomness of this is what scares people the most. It is always out of your hands. I can’t remember now where I read or heard this, I just remember the comment that all this craziness happened when they stopped prayer in school. I went to both a Parochial school and a public school. Granted it was in the ’60’s, but we said the Pledge and the Our Father in both schools. When we moved to Canada, we went to a Catholic school, a 2 room school house, and we sang “God Save The Queen” then the Lord’s Prayer. I am not sure if removing God from our schools is the only reason this is getting more and more prevalent. It might also be the result of the 24/7/365 news channels that we have now. Everyone seems to want their 15 mins of fame.
I have no idea how to combat this. I just pray that if I am in a situation I will know what to do and not freeze up.
Clearly Scott was surprised it could and did happen close to him. Scott, keep the faith, but get a concealed carry permit! SA counts because we ALL have the possibility of Evil inside us and Bill is right, one main characteristic of Civilized society is that “you hang your guns outside when entering the saloon, because the LAW is watching and enforced! We’ll never be totally safe from our evil self (statistically) but self discipline is aided by a society intolerant of undisciplined people.
I was not surprised. I want ensure that others are not either. Faith in Christ is all I have…along with weaker forms of protection.