Comedian and talkshow host Bill Maher pinpoints “the Achilles heel” of the Left that may cost Democrats the next election.
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America was founded, to a substantial degree, by refuse from other countries. Yet it rose to become the most powerful country in the world because of our founding fathers and their vision. We continue to have median IQ as a country and continue to thrive because of our Constitution and its Judeo-Christian backbone. So snark regarding our dumb mid-America and our backwards values is logically stupid. We are measurably better than higher IQ people from socially advanced countries given our history.
Because I do want to get along, I subscribe to Bari Weiss’ substack. She included the following link today to a conversation between Walter Kirn, Liel Liebovitz and Alana Newhouse of Tablet concerning left-leaning people who now feel politically homeless. It’s heartwarming, funny, brash. We have some new friends to get to know!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQpic6cPwRY
I find myself pitying people like Bill Maher. He seems to instinctively realize that things are broken, and he even knows the solution to it, but he skipped the most important part. He hasn’t (at least publicly that I know of) done the soul-searching exercise that would lead him to admit what has been mentioned already, that his own words have been used to cause the thing he now sees as a great danger to society. I don’t think he’s made that connection. I hope he does get there, for his own sake and for the sake of everyone who listens to him. Otherwise he’ll be miserable and bewildered, not understanding why he feels so awful about what he sees going on in our culture.
I when I see words like “owns!” or “destroys!” in headlines, I know it’s click bait. Most of the time the actual story doesn’t even begin to live up to the headline. And it IS taking advantage of our division for profit.
Gonna digress a little bit to get to the point — Reality shows. I never liked them outside of Les Stroud’s “Survivorman” and the newer “Alone” series.
Why is that? What I found very quickly about reality shows (those two excepted) is that they are ALL ABOUT … interpersonal conflict. And I’ve never liked that kind of conflict. It makes me uncomfortable. I’ll engage in it when I need to but I’m very careful about when and where and how. But I think people like me are not in the majority here. And what makes me think that is that it’s also clear that most of the conflict on these shows is calculated. It’s intentionally fabricated and/or exacerbated. Because that’s apparently what people want to watch. It works. It boosts ratings like click-bait headlines do.
And if you look at the two exceptions I pointed out, THOSE shows there is no interpersonal conflict – the conflict is between each person and survival. That I find interesting. Not bickering and backstabbing.
So we are divided as a culture, and there are people taking advantage of this by stoking, by exacerbating the conflict with false narratives and click-bait headlines that not only keep us that way, but they actually make it worse. And they don’t care. They’re getting what they want.
It won’t be until we all wake up and see it for what it is and see each other as human beings instead of “Everybody I don’t like is Hitler”. That’s step one.
Step two is a little harder. We can’t be a cohesive culture without a common ethos, a common meta-narrative where we can all connect at an almost subconscious level. Not quite sure how that is going to work out. But I hope it does.
What you’re talking about with people who enjoy watching interpersonal conflict, bickering and backstabbing is just plain ol’ human nature. It’s the same phenomena that drives malicious gossiping. It’s vile but it’s also normal to our species.
Some people are just plain mean and even if they dare not show it (because they’re not alpha they’re beta) in their real, personal lives they love to watch it in others.
Sadly there’s always going to be a market for that kind of thing.
As for your “step two”, we did have something like that but it’s been gradually siphoned off and replaced with something much darker and more dangerous. We didn’t lose it overnight and we’re not going to get it back in a day or two either.
A flaw in humanity is that every generation has to learn its own lessons for itself. If that generation was raised wisely there’s real progress, if not then it goes the other way. It’s the global social equivalent of a child who trusts and heeds his parents so having been warned he doesn’t put his hand on a hot stove — and one who is coddled and neglected by his parents so he has to learn the hard way by burning his own fingers.
We’re pretty well along in the “burning fingers” phase of that cycle.
I call it a flaw because until we find a way to pass on wisdom genetically or by some other means of positive control this “Crazy Eddy” cycle is going to continue.
Because of flawed human nature pernicious ideas that have the right appeal have a tendency to be contagious.
Marxism in it’s many forms is one of those ideas that is candy coated poison. It started more than a century ago and has been working its way around the world like a pandemic ever since. It adapts just like a virus too. So far it has killed more human beings than any other act of mankind.
If people recognize this virulent ideology for the danger it really is, that’s herd immunity and it will die out. If they don’t there’s a real chance that we’ll never emerge from that ideological pit perpetuated in the manner George Orwell warned us about.
The only inoculation for it is wisdom. Which has to be earned and learned by every generation.
Bill Maher is a left-leaning libertarian, basically. The one thing I like about him is that he is consistent. He doesn’t change his mind with the changing winds.
What he’s talking about is something that many people do with religion – I don’t think most people do it with religion percentage-wise (“type ‘Amen’ if you love Jesus!” “I’ll bet nobody will re-post THIS”), but it’s still a lot of people and it’s what turns non-religious people off about religious people. And Leftism is a substitute religion (as I point out in my song “Senses”). Fortunately it’s also what turns people off about leftists.
There’s a shuttle?
Re: Bill’s noticing of Maher’s surprise that in the South, people seem to get along better. Well, we in the South, especially the Deep South, have had our “trial by fire” already. We’ve endured the racial strife of the ’50s and ’60s and, by learning how to live with each other, we’ve gotten past most of the racism. We learned the hard way that allowing racism to divide us doesn’t work because we have to work, play and live alongside each other. When the Obama reign of terror was in full display, I thought to myself that the South just might be the last bulwark against all the division he brought. We honor our vets, our religion, our friends and neighbors, and our country. The majority of military members comes from Southern states. Our men and women are proud to give their all for the people of America. Leftists view them as obsessive gun-toters, looking for something to shot at, but that’s not it at all. Most of our boys (and girls, even) and young men are raised to hunt game for the table. We aren’t trophy hunters by any means, we eat our kills because that’s the circle of life, at least in our neck of the woods. A lot of the meats, fish and other seafood, and veggies are produced here for shipment to other parts of the country that have forgotten their roots and survival skills. I’m really happy and proud to be a Southern gal and I do think we here would be the very last to succumb to the influence of Socialism and Communism in America.
Excellent points! Having lived in various regions of this great country, there are reasons I chose SW VA. Yes, it’s beautiful, but the people are genuine.
I second what Ron SAE says. I had worked a few places in The South and had some military buddies from south of the Mason-Dixon that I’d been on leave with a few times. I always loved it down here so when I could finally escape from California (which not being a native I hated with a passion) I chose The South in which to spend the tail end of my life.
Ron’s out in the hills, I’m over close to the coast. The fishing here is fantastic.
Funny thing about The South too, it’s contagious. If you live around Southerners they tend to grind off all your rough edges and you tend to become more like them than they ever will be more like you.
I’m from a Northern Tier State where the winters are soul crushing. Here I get just enough winter to be a definite season but never so much that I can’t wait for it to go away. To me the real winter lasts about 2-3 weeks and the summers are warm and pleasant.
It’s funny that there’s such a thing as a Southern Winter Grump too. It’s great sport poking them in their grumble button.
Sure now Maher wants to say we should all live together. All of his liberal friends want to move to red states after making a mess of the blue states!
Then there’s their whole “follow the science” claim when they are the worst violators of this. People like Maher always act like they have the corner on reason and use false claims like Christians don’t believe in evolution to bash Christians for being anti-science. They do the same labeling us all “anti-vaxx,” yet these are the people who insist that:
* it’s safe to go to Walmart but too dangerous to vote
* people are born gay with no confirming scientific evidence,
* we definitely evolved from apes with no confirming scientific evidence
* life and DNA evolved with no confirming scientific evidence (they’re not even close)
* there are countless genders with no scientific evidence,
* global warming through climate change is going to end the world in 10 years AND ARE PASSING LEGISLATION TO FIGHT IT COSTING BILLIONS OF DOLLARS with no scientific evidence,
* the Wuhan lab leak was a “conspiracy theory” and there was no doubt the Kung flu came from nature due to their version of science while suppressing and censoring opposing views
* giving a vaccine to someone who has natural immunity due to antibodies gained from having the Kung flu makes perfect sense
* vaccinating / masking large swaths of the population who objectively have a miniscule chance of dying from the Kung flu makes perfect sense
* shutting down entire state economies for a virus that doesn’t kill working age people in general makes perfect sense
* masks work despite the evidence to the contrary
* any opposing views based on science for masks, the vaccines or the shamdemic in general should be outlawed as “misinformation”
* “systemic racism” is causing the police to shoot unarmed black men at an alarming rate with no basis in reality,
* proponents of critical race theory just want to teach slavery
…and on and on and on. Again, hilarious that a guy like Jordan Klepper frmo The Daily Show struts around like someone who has superior knowledge when in reality he hasn’t the faintest clue.
Fun fact: Even Dr. Fauci said that President Trump took his advice, something which Biden blatantly lied about in one of his town halls among other things…https://youtu.be/SN4PQoP2MHE?t=988
Biden’s Fake Town Hall: Every Lie
https://youtu.be/SN4PQoP2MHE
Professing to be wise, they became fools…
George Carlin is another who always came off to me as very condescending in certain areas, religion being one.
Maher can take a long walk off a short pier, calling for unity now after treating millions of Americans with arrogance and condescension…from a guy who still insists that Trump told people to inject bleach and all the other lies. THERE IS NO UNITING WITH THESE PEOPLE. THEY ARE EITHER COMMUNISTS OR USEFUL IDIOTS. In no way are both sides the same. It really grates my nerves when people try to give credence to the left by saying, “Well the right does it too” (I know Scott is just playing devil’s advocate). We don’t. And by “right” I mean all Americans who just want our government to leave us alone to live our lives.
The left, including Maher and Stewart as “authoritarian-lite,” comes from a position of superiority, ego, arrogance, certainty and condescension…all unearned…and judgment including punishment/consequences for anyone who disagrees.truth or facts be damned. They see themselves as the “smart people,” and how dare we (or traditional norms like the filibuster) contradict their ivory tower edicts. After all, they have all the college degrees. (Bill did a video on this early on in the MB2A series. I think it was the one entitled, “Know Your Enemy.” The attitude is on full display in late-night “comedy” shows).
Everyone else generally seeks first to understand the other side to see if compromises can be made, reveres the truth and decisions based on facts and law, is humble enough to consider they don’t have all the answers, will change their position (rather than the subject) when proven wrong and prefers mercy and forgiveness to justice and punishment while understanding that these have their place. We also, as Bill indicates, are not boastful about our knowledge / intellect and will gladly share it. We also actually care about America and the ideals upon which we were founded. The left hates this country and shows no regard for our traditions, history and accomplishments.
Maher is an egocentric, conceited pig and he’s responsible in a significant way for the very thing he now laments.
I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again. The Left’s ideology, strategy and tactics contain the very seeds of their own destruction.
The challenge is not to convert them to a better ideology. They won’t convert in significant numbers no matter what you say. The very poisonous vain pride that they have used to convince people they’re better than those who disagree with them won’t allow them to admit they’re wrong to any effective degree.
Whether you’re religious or not this is because forsaking the traditions of Judeo-Christianity has created a void they have filled with Worship of Self. That’s a form of vain pride and an utterly destructive religious practice. It matters not one bit if you have a Judeo-Christian faith or not yourself. It doesn’t matter because there’s more than enough historical evidence to support that position.
That’s not to say we can’t win, in fact it makes it inevitable that we will win if we understand …
The real challenge is to not allow a set of conditions to exist where they take us all down with them when they go. If we want to survive this poisonous, virulent ideology of the Left we have to come through the fall they themselves are creating for themselves. Our focus needs to be not one of converting the irredeemable lost but one of how to survive the catastrophe they are laying at their own feet.
Right on! Maher is responsible for the thing he now laments. He is not only egotistical, but I find him repulsive, He knows things are not going quite as he expected, and now pretending he wants his fellow countrymen to “get along”. Sorry, Scott, I believe he has you and others fooled by the “New and Improved” Maher. He is, I think, really worried about where his “career” is now headed.
The wolf dons sheep’s clothing to keep the sheep placid until he selects his dinner and to keep the shepherd ignorant of his presence.
Maher is an egotistical arrogant creep. He’s not stupid. “Can’t we all just get along” translates from LeftSpeak as “You need to do what I want you to so we can get along.”
Don’t think for a minute that if Maher got the thing he laments as missing from modern society he wouldn’t put on a fleece and go eat all the sheep he could get. He sees that as his due.
When an obvious and long standing enemy seems to reverse course, experience tells me a degree of wariness is appropriate. Maher isn’t even really changing course, he’s just making a heading correction to attempt to put his side back in a better attack position. He finally realizes he and people like him have been sailing full steam for the rocks and wants to avoid the wreck they have brought on themselves.
If he really deserved the credit Scott seems willing to give him then he would have announced to the world, as Dave Rubin did, that the Left was a dead end and Leftist ideology is stupid and destructive.
I love Scott’s involvement and commentary. We really need people like him the same as we need barracudas like Bill. But I’m not willing to gullibly embrace likely perfidy just because Bill Maher says something from time to time that I might agree with either. I’m not as kind a person as Scott but I do admire his kindness.
Maher can redeem himself by accepting the faults and dangers his politics obviously entail and speaking out against those things loudly and clearly. If he did that, it would prove he’s as smart as he likes to think he is. He has significant influence and he could help avoid the coming trainwreck. He has not done so and is thus unworthy of anything kinder than contempt and skepticism.
Another way “Can’t we all just get along” translates is “they are resisting the stick too much, time to try more carrot” or put another leftist way “they’re just too stupid to convince with talking, we need to try something else”.
All true, LeftSpeak has built-in wiggle room as it is. It allows them to redefine words on the fly to suit their narrative.
Next week “Can’t we all just get along” might mean “Please don’t round us all up and put us in gulags, you mean ol’ racist white people”.
Paradoxically this will gush from the mouths of wealthy racist white people and silly us, we forgot to build them some nice, cozy gulags.
The only consistent rule of LeftSpeak is to be inconsistent. This makes dialog nearly impossible with them and I think that’s by design too.
Bill is on point with his observation that Jon Stewart and Bill Maher are largely responsible for this travesty called leftism. The idea that Jon and Bill are the smart guys in the room and the rest of you who aren’t watching the show are the rubes and hicks of backwater America. My stepson is a classic example of this type of thinking and I’ve learned that despite our engagements in which we discuss the unmentionable — politics — we can never come to accord. Why? Well, I’m a rube and I’m a member of backwater America. We do agree on some things apart from politics, and that’s what we focus on, thankfully.
That’s always frustrating when you run into that “rube” attitude. I think it’s just a copout used to avoid admitting their ideas stink.
The way I usually counter that is to make them explain how their wonderful sounding ideas can be put into actual practice and made reality. Because if what they think is the best way ahead is provably unrealistic then they’re the “rubes” who aren’t nearly so smart as they’ve been told they are.
I.E. “How are you going to pay for all that?”
“Tax the rich and make them pay their fair share!”
“OK, well they already pay more taxes than the rest of the nation combined but leave that for a minute. There isn’t enough private wealth in this nation to operate the country for a full year if every penny of it was confiscated through taxation. I can prove this to you with actual facts and figures. I can even show you a brief video that proves it (Referring to Bill’s “Eat the Rich” video. It’s a little dated now but the principles are still obvious and undeniable.) Do you want me to prove that to you or will you accept it as stipulated?”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdbRKfXyQEw&ab_channel=cluebattingcage
If he won’t accept it, show him the video. If he won’t watch the video then tell him he’s afraid of the real numbers and needs to be educated on this if he intends to support it. Because if not then he’s a “rube” for refusing to engage.
If he will accept it as stipulated then you’re back to “How are you REALLY going to pay for this stuff?” And you can go from there.
The thing is, if you’re going to use a tactic like this you really need to know your stuff. You should always start with something basic like “OK, I’m listening. Tell me how you intend to pay for this?”
Let ’em spout a bit before you chop their rube legs out from underneath them. It doesn’t hurt to take some notes and pretend you’re interested. Even though you already know it’s hogswallop, he doesn’t know that. Yet. The notes are real handy for “But you said …”
Approach this with a kindly but passive aggressive stance. Like —
“Gee, I’m sorry about how bad we’ve failed your generation. You’ve really opened my eyes and helped me to see the problem clearly.”
He’ll probably think you’re about to come over to his side when …
“The obvious problem here, where we have really failed you younger people, is that we meant to send you to schools where you’d learn arithmetic instead of activism. You can use arithmetic to make the world better but you can’t use cornpone backwoods-hick magical thinking rube activism to do anything helpful at all. Socio-economic sorcery is a political ploy, it’s not a plan for a better future. If we’d educated your generation properly you’d know that already.”
At that point, if he hasn’t stormed out because you’ve melted his little tin god, you can show him the video about Underpants Gnomes. You’ll both get a chuckle out of that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5ih_TQWqCA&ab_channel=SouthParkStudios
The trick is to keep those types on topic and don’t let them deflect with irrelevancies. Keep coming back to the topic even if they say things like “Oh I don’t like Michael Moore either.” (Reply, “See, we have more in common on this than you might think. Now about how you’re going to pay for this …) “Isn’t Bill Whittle one of those Right Wing racist commentators?” (Reply, “No, I’ve never heard him say one racist word but it doesn’t matter. This is about numbers not Bill Whittle so how do you intend to pay for all this?”) Etc.
This works for virtually every Leftist talking point, as long as you know your own argument …
Global Warming — “Yeah, I looked into that a bit. Turns out water vapor drives climate an order of magnitude stronger than CO2. So tell me how we’re going to reduce the water vapor in the atmosphere. That would be a lot more productive than fiddling around with CO2. Unless climate isn’t really your goal that is.
Racial Inequality — “Yeah, racism is sure a bad thing alright. It’s really scary how the Left (don’t give ’em the out by saying ‘Democrats’) is trying to divide this nation along racial lines, huh? Look at all the injustice and unrest that’s generating.”
Etc.
PS — I won’t know if these embeds worked until I hit “Post Comment” so if not, sorry. My bust. You can also find these by searching YouTube for “Eat the Rich – Bill Whittle” and “Make Profit By Stealing Underpants – SOUTH PARK”
I appreciate your thoughtful and extensive reply. I gotta be honest — discussing politics in my home is NOT encouraged because of the extent to which it creates acrimony. One thing is for sure — neither he, nor his wife, nor MY wife will EVER change their minds about their political bent, so the best and most peaceful approach is to ignore it.
We all know what each other thinks and the way we’re wired. We’re simply not going to change our minds, and that’s the long and short of it.
You certainly know your situation better than I do. Sometimes all you can do is ignore politics altogether. It might not be the best outcome but if that’s all you can do then it’s the only outcome possible.
I just don’t like to see the Left get away with anything if it can be helped. The best way I’ve found to do that is to hold them to account and require them to prove they’re not underpants gnomes.
Sometimes it has to come from outside the family. My mom was an entrenched, unmovable Democrat. Because her dad, my grandfather was a Roosevelt Democrat. Grandpa was a really, truly great man and that was his biggest flaw.
So one day I’m sitting with my mom and she’s got The 700 Club on TV, listening to Pat Robertson. Pat was talking about political matters from his normal conservative viewpoint.
I looked at mom and said “Mom? Do you agree with what he’s saying?”
She said, “Yes, of course I do, it makes sense.”
I said, “Mom, I’ve been trying to tell you those same things for 25 years.”
Go figure.
I like and agree with Dennis Prager’s viewpoint on debating ideas and the outcome that is really important — it’s not so much to change the other person’s mind as to provide clarity of the differences. You may (or may not) end up agreeing with your opponent, but you’ll each have a better understanding of why they think the way they do.
I like Prager a lot too but I’ll add to that idea a bit.
In this modern age of internet communications when interacting with other people online you’re not just arguing/debating/discussing with the person you’re having an exchange with. For every one of those people there are probably ten or more people who read/hear what you have to say and never comment themselves at all. You have no way to know how many people your arguments might be reaching.
Here on BillWhittle.com according to the membership directory there are now well over 7,000 active members. Yet only a very tiny percentage of those members comment on anything like a regular basis. It’s not at all unreasonable to think that more members read these posts than actually leave a post. That’s just here on Bill Whittle’s site where we are all presumably like minded enough to pay for a membership.
Imagine the numbers that must read the things you might post elsewhere. Even if it’s only an average of two people that you manage to obliquely inform, that has an exponential effect. 2×2=4×2=8×2=16 and so on. Even if the attrition rate is anything less than 50%, the math gets pretty impressive.
Too, those people are not directly challenged, their ideas are not subject to being exposed for foolishness, they’re anonymous lurkers with no face to save and no pride to salve. So the chances of a sound argument hitting home are considerably greater than converting the person you’re actually having a dialog with.
I often engage someone who’s obviously under some spell of intellectual delusion that keeps them from seeing reality. I do this just to get them to trot their stinkin’ thinkin’ out for everyone to see. So I can present my arguments to that invisible crowd I know is out there.
I don’t care if I change the mind of the person I’m interacting with. I want to use that interaction to disassemble their argument because I know there are people who will read what we’re both saying.
This is something I always bear in mind when posting in public forums. I know enough about human nature to realize the other guy is probably never going to admit he’s wrong or that he lost the argument. That’s normal vain pride and it’s inconsequential. I don’t care because it doesn’t matter if I flip the opinion of a useful idiot, a Media Matters troll, someone who is mistaken and won’t admit it or the self-deluded.
I’m just using such people as a foil to make my points against and they happily cooperate way more often than not.
I always enjoy reading your comments. You have an insight and vocabulary that I find stimulating.
Thanks, I appreciate you taking the time to let me know that.
It’s weird in that I used to agree with Scott’s idea of engaging people who don’t agree with me. I always enjoyed a good Facebook food fight, until I got tired of reading and understanding the arguments of my Leftoid friends, doing the research and responding with the facts and reality that countered their opinions, and that would usually be the point where they just change the subject or launch personal attacks. It got old after a while. I still skim Sister Babe’s Washigton Post Sunday paper for interesting blog fodder, but I’m finding I can learn all I need about Leftist arguments simply by reading / watching content from the Normals who are countering them, such as this site
100% agree. If someone disagrees with me, and their point of view is a proposition, then yes, there is something to be learned by argument. However, leftists present their points as an absolute dogma, and if you disagree you must be non-human. There is only one thing to do with rabid absolutists, and it involves woodchippers. And yes, I know that is an absolutist position. Fight fire with fire, I say!
I’m perfectly happy with engaging with people who don’t agree with me, but the assumption is that they will listen with an open mind and be willing to change it when presented with the facts and reality that counter their opinions, as you say.
I’ve found, as you did, that they resort to baseless accusations, personal attacks, strawmen (you hate Mexicans! No. I just think we should protect our southern border) or engage in actual whataboutism (which is not pointing out someone’s hypocrisy (e.g. citing Hillary’s emails when someone claims they want justice for all)) by completely changing the subject.
It just gets old, but I figured the other readers in comment sections would be armed with the facts I presented (I’m guessing Facebook is more one-on-one? Dunno. Don’t have an account).
Then YouTube started to delete comments citing, for example, so I had to be more careful. Glenn Beck’s new special–which you should watch if you haven’t:
*The Great Reset: Joe Biden and the Rise of 21st-Century Fascism* https://youtu.be/bbNcx4rsAfk
This is tyranny. Biden’s incompetence is just a shield.
…or Tucker’s interview of Tony Bobulinski or Darren Beattie’s Revolver News article indicating FBI insigation of J6 or Durden’s zerohedge article citing the FBI report which says there was no insurrection…or or or…
Absolute Proof by Mike Lindell on frankspeech.com is another one. a1000cuts.org (Arizona audit volunteer interviews…7 minutes and basically irrefutable). Patrick Byrne on Rumble. His latest update from Maricopa is good.
Kinda got off on a tangent, but there ya go. Going to be fun watching America wake up over the next 6 months. Most people don’t realize yet the evidence for the steal, the FBI instigation of J6 or the link between Dems and fascism. There’s no uniting with that, and they’re the ones creating division anyway. Luckily, it’s all falling apart. A recent poll showed their support among blacks down from 9 out of 10 to 6 out of 10. OUCH! Was listening to the radio, so I don’t have the link.
Cheers. Hope you and Sister Babe are doing well.
A professor friend once told me that, in interviewing a potential doctoral student, that if the student mentioned the sentiment “Been there, done that” or “I know all about that….” that he would not take on that student…. Because he/she was acknowledging that they had no room to grow…..
Funny, a few years ago I was annoyed when “News Actually” stopped producing, as I saw Scott as havng the potential to be the Jon Stewart for us Normals