Chicks on Mars – Bill Whittle

You need t see the 2016 version of the movie “The Lighthouse.”

The only thing that would mess that weight balance up is if some damned fool sent along a freezer full of ice cream and a crate of chocolate.

I am reminded of a female astronaut who traveled across the country in diapers to take revenge on another female astronaut because they both had fallen in love with one of the male astronauts, not that long ago. I may have gotten something wrong, here, but how could anyone forget?

Nope, you didn’t get anything wrong. That astronaut was Lisa Nowak and she drove 14 hours across country to attack another woman. She was the first active duty astronaut to be arrested on felony charges. The charges were attempted kidnapping and burglary with assault. She pled insanity and the criminal case is now sealed.

Just imagine what might happen if that ‘other woman’ had been a fellow astronaut and they both got assigned to the same mission? Nowak threw away her career in a very elite and hard to obtain job to get revenge. She would clearly have been a danger to herself and everyone else on the mission had she actually made it to space under those conditions.

Parallel park the plane, I like it.

It is unclear from Scott’s presentation, if the material percentage requirement difference between men and women is based on a per pound basis, or just based on a 175 pound man vs. a 125 pound woman? Would smaller men who weigh in approximately equivalent to the female mass, do as well in the conservation of supplies as the equal weight women? There are smaller men out there, who would typically still be some stronger than most women of equal weight, so is the ratios given based on pound for pound, or more likely figuring on men substantially bigger than the women!?!?

You need to develop the proper ratio of men to women:
Strangelove’s plan for post-nuclear war survival involves living underground with a 10:1 female-to-male ratio]
General “Buck” Turgidson : Doctor, you mentioned the ratio of ten women to each man. Now, wouldn’t that necessitate the abandonment of the so-called monogamous sexual relationship, I mean, as far as men were concerned?
Dr. Strangelove : Regrettably, yes. But it is, you know, a sacrifice required for the future of the human race. I hasten to add that since each man will be required to do prodigious… service along these lines, the women will have to be selected for their sexual characteristics which will have to be of a highly stimulating nature.
Ambassador de Sadesky : I must confess, you have an astonishingly good idea there, Doctor.

Okay, somebody has to say it:
“CAT-FIGHTS IN SPAAAAAACCCCCE!”

I’ll be over here…

Since we are going to the red planet, we need to send red men and red women there (and maybe some Irish setters, or red chow chows?). White and black and brown and yellow people just will not do!!

But if the issue is reducing crew mass, then perhaps we should explore the population of male and female jockey’s. And really bright preteens??

And given all of the issues with ongoing hair growth (beards, et al.), perhaps the crew needs to be totally laser hair removed? Not sure about finger and toe nails, though.

This is not an argument to send women to Mars. It is an argument to send small people to Mars.
And it is not new: The great Ed Teller opined in his “Thoughts on a Lunar Base”:
when I first testified about space, and was asked whether there should be women astronauts, I proposed that all astronauts should be women. The packaging of intelligence in women is more effective in terms of intelligence per unit weight. However, in view of the strong sentiment for ERA, I think I might compromise with an equal number of women and men. That arrangement has all kinds of advantages.
While women are, on average, smaller than men it is important to point out that we are not restricted to sending average people to Mars. If it makes sense to send an average woman over an average man based on their mass and the mass of consumables they will require for the journey then it would make even more sense to send midgets! As far as I have been able to tell in a quick internet search, there is no sex-based disparity in dwarfism.
Doing that would not be a new idea, either! The selection criteria for America’s original class of Astronauts, the Mercury Seven, required that they be no taller than 5’11” and weigh no more than 180lbs. The first Soviet Cosmonaut, Yuri Gagarin was only 5’2″ (or about two inches shorter than the average American woman).

“Our brains are wired differently”

Over decades of being “the fly on the wall” in many businesses … I contracted for IT services. People got used to seeing me, then they got used to ignoring me. All of which is just wonderful as far as I’m concerned. Everyone thought that I’m just the computer nerd and pretty close to none of them realized I was studying them when they were ignoring me. I got a lot of insights this way. I have a habit of watching people and a pastime of people watching which are not the same thing. Watching people is focused, people watching is a hobby.

So I saw what went on behind the scenes in these businesses. One was a veterinary business and I was seriously impressed with the way they treated their animal patients when ‘no one was looking’. That kind of thing.

I worked for companies that had a preponderance of male employees, a mix of male and female employees, and a preponderance of female employees (this latter usually applied to the more office oriented businesses).

Incidentally I also served in the military back when it was nearly all men. I’ve known and respected some Women Marines (WMs) in my day but they were an exception in a sea of men.

I say this most sincerely and with all due respect to the ladies. Women are a LOT meaner than men are. Women take offense at any perceived slight and they develop a real pecking order more iron bound than exists in any chicken coop. Women play office politics with great skill and with a vengeance.

You put a crew of only women on a flight to Mars that lasts a year or more and by the time that ship gets to Mars there’s going to be blood on the decks. It might be figurative or it might be genuine blood but it’s going to be spilled.

Women have a whole different approach to dominance games than men do. With no men around to modulate that instinct it’s going to be pure cat fight all the way to Mars. Increasing in intensity and severity as positive feedback loops are spawned, established and grow.

We men are no angels either but we go about things in a different way. The two ways compliment and cancel out each other. It’s in our genes.

Bill’s right, the only way this works is to pick the very best people possible. If some of them happen to be women that’s just fine. Being the very best of the very best they’ll all do an admirable job of overcoming their biology to achieve mission oriented success.

If the very best choices happen to be an all male crew, it wills still work because you’re selecting for the best not the sex of the candidates. If an all female crew is selected based on sex that will be a recipe for disaster.

I say this most sincerely and with all due respect to the ladies. Women are a LOT meaner than men are.

Second this heartily. As a college freshman, Ronette was in a suite with 5 other young women. She lasted the first semester and then moved to a room with one other young woman. Catty doesn’t begin to describe. Ronette is a natural peace maker who then found herself embroiled in every dust up. So taxing on an 18 year old’s psyche.
Her last year she was in an apartment with 3 other ladies, but each had their own room. Thus, they each had a way to distance themselves from others. Still lots of drama that I had never encountered with guys.
Mrs Ron told me at the time, girls are meaner than boys (and she was an educator of very young ones for more than 3 decades and saw it at that age) With a guy friend I can tell you to mind your f’ing business, and you will and do so without sulking. And generally it will be forgotten in a short amount of time. This is not my experience with the fairer sex.
It is probably the hardest lesson for husbands to learn. Even though your wife is a friend as well as a life partner, you shouldn’t treat her the same way you treat your male friends.
As we learned in our younger days, Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus. In general terms we process things differently; and I enjoy most of the differences. Guys who are too much like me tend to piss me off.

All of those things have been my experience too. SSDD or SSDP.

My little sister is a really good person. She’s one of the best people I’ve ever known in my life and I’m fortunate and grateful in that way because I can be a real prick. She knows she can count on me no matter what and the reverse applies but …

She can go from 0 to total bitch in .5 seconds. She’s not unique in this, it’s a trait of her gender. She’s a kind and good person, the females that are not that are seriously dangerous.

Often times I have to just stop her when she does that and tell her “Hey, I’m on your side but that doesn’t mean you can flash all bitchy on me. Lighten up or do this yourself.” Then she calms down and all’s well.

I lose my temper and get pissed too. This isn’t a thing solely applicable to females. Females are just different in how they go about dealing with this stuff.

We can have a major knockdown, drag out verbal war going that the neighbors down the road can hear. Then two minutes later just ignore that had happened and we’re back to being friends again. We never, ever stay mad at each other and this has been the pattern of our relationship since we were kids.

But we’re brother and sister not husband and wife and not crew on a spacecraft.

(I have an immutable rule. No one ever picks on my sister but me. That is my right solely on the entire planet. I think I’ve mentioned this before …)

Men and women see things differently. I will often discuss something with my sister looking for a different point of view. A ‘reality check’ if you will. I am never disappointed in that because I will always get an honest, realistic viewpoint different from my own and … It is more often, not always but usually, one that I don’t agree with and will then ignore. But it’s very useful to get that viewpoint even so. It’s important to understand how other people will think and how they will see things. This is helpful in finding holes in my thinking. My little sister is a pretty smart person and very useful as a sounding board.

It’s astonishing how often I will have discussed something with my friends then bring it up with my sister and get a completely different, unanticipated novel point of view.

There would be significant differences in the selection process between dorm roommates and spacecraft crew. Those differences don’t matter because the underlying psychology and biology would still be there. Picking a spacecraft all female crew might sublimate those tendencies but nothing will totally eliminate them.

Murphy’s Law states that those things will surface eventually and at the worst possible moment.

Over the years I’ve come to realize that Murphy is female and a genuine bitch.

I found a dramatic improvement in my 50 person medical office when the manager was male vs when she was female. Other than physicians, the office is nearly all female. With the manager female it would devolve into Peyton Place. As soon as a man ran things, peace prevailed. We went through five managers over 40 years, 3 female and two males. (The only other improvement was putting an aquarium in the waiting room. Complaints about the wait plummeted.)

That’s been pretty much my experience too. Women focus on people, men focus on things. That focus on people isn’t always a virtue, in fact it more often is the opposite.

Just because a woman focuses on people does not mean that focus is advantageous to the mission. Whether you’re running a doctors office or a mission to Mars.

I had one female manager at a client’s office, a “Practice Manager”, who was always playing stupid dominance games with me. She was fairly good looking and thought that things like bending over to let me see her breasts was going to influence me to her way of thinking.

So hell yeah I looked, I’m a guy. But that didn’t have even the slightest effect on my work decisions.

Which infuriated her. She tried to get me fired. The boss, a male doctor, told her that as far as the IT stuff went what I say goes. “That’s what I pay him for.”

She hated that I denied her administrator access to the IT systems. She thought that she was the boss and should have unfettered access to everything. That BTW violates HIPAA rules and there was just no way I was going to break the law over a pair of boobs.

She was eventually terminated. The boss, my boss the guy that signed my checks, called me up and asked me to watch her desktop computer as she was going through the exit process. She started to download and email herself to an external address the whole client list. I shut her machine down at that point and locked her out completely. Then she really hated me.

I didn’t mind her hatred even a little bit. The guy who signed my checks continued to sign them and that’s all I cared about. I had warned the boss that when he fires someone they should not be allowed to use any of the IT stuff past the point where they knew they were terminated. They should be fired and allowed to collect their personal effects under supervision then walked out of the building. He didn’t follow my advice that time and every time he failed to do so resulted in some kind of a problem. Problems that could and should have been avoided.

Someone can do a lot of damage to the IT systems in just a short period of time. There is no point where that’s more likely to happen than when they’re being terminated. Letting fired people access computers is always a mistake and can have much bigger consequences than the theft of a client list.

I’ve worked with female IT people and the situation is inevitably the same. Office politics always get in the way of production. It’s not a matter of if but of when. If they’re not in positions of authority that’s about all that can be done to avoid “female syndrome”. Of course the girls hate that but that’s a secondary or tertiary concern when you’re running a business.

In light of my own experience I just can’t imagine any material benefit in an all female long duration spacecraft crew. There’s nothing in that which outweighs the liabilities.

BTW, the aquarium is a great idea. At the business I talked about above we installed a system that showed people their wait times on a big screen in the lobby. That took up about 30 seconds on the screen and we also used it for advertising OTC stuff available at the practice. They made a considerable income on supplements, ointments, aids, dressings and stuff like that. The rest of the time I had a really neat aquarium screensaver running that kept people’s attention and kept them distracted and entertained during their wait. Most of the time they couldn’t wait for the messages to disappear and get back to the fish. The fish were way, way more popular than anything else on the screen.

One of my doctor’s offices has taken to playing cooking shows. that is one of the best things I have seen on a screen. To the point that when the nurse came out, I said wait a minute I want to see how this turns out. LOL
I am a pretty good amateur chef, always like something new and this was a nice squid recipe.

Yeah, boredom in a waiting room is a real concern. It’s not as bad as it used to be since people all have smartphones now but smartphones didn’t eliminate the problem completely.

I’m not an amateur chef by any stretch of the imagination and I’ll eat pretty much anything that doesn’t eat me first. I live alone so mealtime is more of a pit stop for fuel than anything else. It’s just not worth the bother to me because there’s no one else to appreciate the effort. When I do go to the time and trouble I usually make ‘batches’ of food so I have a lot of leftovers and don’t have to cook again for a while. A big pot of something will last me all week and I have no problem at all eating the same thing for days in a row.

I don’t really do “recipes”, I’ve been cooking for myself off and on all my life and I know what goes together well and in what proportions.

I love calamari or any seafood too. When I eat out at a restaurant I generally order something I wouldn’t make for myself at home. That usually ends up being some sort of seafood.

All of that considered, I could watch a cooking show while I sat in a waiting room. A cooking show is neutral amusement. I don’t watch cooking shows at home but there’s generally nothing in them I would find politically or morally objectionable.

My brother-in-law loves cooking shows. He fancies himself a chef but he’s Asian so what he makes generally ends up being something that tastes heavily of soy sauce, or fish sauce, or oyster sauce over rice. I don’t really like rice but like I said, I’ll eat anything anyone cares to put in front of me.

Anyone who thinks women and men are interchangeable and bring the same skills to the table is fooling himself. This is one reason I don’t believe women should be hired as soldiers, fire fighters, peace officers, etc. Good men instinctively protect women (and children). To have women in traditionally male jobs can create a distraction which could then be fatal.
There’s a funny skit about the difference between men’s brains and women’s brains on youtube from comedian Mark Gungor that is spot on.
The Tale of 2 Brains – YouTube

I remember seeing that years ago. Very Funny! And very spot on.
Mark is actually a motivational speaker who uses comedy in his couple’s events. Former pastor who has written several books on having great married relationships.
Thanks for posting it!

That was great! Thanks for the link.

It’s also very accurate and true. I can vouch for the fact that I don’t want my boxes touching each other.

What puzzles me is why women would even want to do man things. I’m a modern, enlightened Christian Conservative … MAN. I don’t see anything inferior about women. I see things that are different about women than men. What I don’t see if why being a woman, which is a wholly admirable and wonderful thing, isn’t good enough for some women.

Which also means that men who claim to be women and demand we all go along with that, while there are some women on their side of that nonsense, is totally nuts and unfathomable to me.

There’s nothing wrong with being a man. There’s nothing wrong with being a woman. In fact, without women none of us men would even be here. It is a wholly admirable and wonderful thing to be a woman, I just don’t happen to be one of those. I don’t happen to be a lot of things, so this is not a major hindrance to me.

I cannot for the life of me understand why someone who happens to be a woman would find that to somehow be a hindrance to them either.

That is a mystery to me, too. Maybe it’s the feminists’ influence that constantly downplays a woman’s natural talents and makes them believe they need to be better than men in order to succeed and that will lead to happiness.

I worked on a college campus in a building that once housed Home Economics. I didn’t know it was the Home Ec building until I saw these plaques on the wall awarded by the Pillsbury Company to outstanding professors. They were dated from the 1950’s through the 70’s I think. It had a full kitchen and dining room, too, with a huge fireplace. I could just picture the students learning to cook an elaborate meal and setting a beautiful table. These skills, in addition to meal planning, cooking healthy foods and feeding a family on a budget, are invaluable, and yet I don’t believe they’re taught in school anymore. I could be wrong, but given the number of families eating fast food several times a week makes me think this.
Women have the ultimate gift, they can create life. Maybe not all women appreciate it, but it should certainly eclipse being CEO of a corporation. Let’s see a man do that! 🙂

Ah, I remember that video. I thought I must be a little out of average because I don’t seem to have a nothing box. I am always thinking about something if I am just sitting and would never say I am doing nothing. I would say I am thinking about something but might not share what that was.
As far as women in the trades you list, I don’t have as much of a problem with female police or fire fighters. If you’ve got some valkyrie type big Nordic or well muscled farm girl, she can pull hoses with the fire guys just fine. I just don’t want to depend on some 5’4″ diversity hire trying to drag me out of a house.
If they want to pick someone of slight build for a special task force, someone that could wriggle in some small area, that I’m ok with too. Since we have all sorts of remote control drone tech now though, I don’t see any such need for that.

I agree that if a woman can pass the physical tests that men have to pass, she should be hired for the same job. What I don’t agree with is lowering the standards in order to have more women to fill some quota.

Maybe your nothing box contains those things that you want to think about, rather than have to think about? I find that doing mindless chores, such as ironing or vacuuming allows my mind to wander freely. It’s a nice change from trouble-shooting work-related issues.

The video I originally saw a few years back was longer and his demonstration of the “nothing box” was sitting in a chair, clicking the channel button on the TV remote and when asked by the “wife (himself using a different voice)” what he was doing, said “Nothing”. He used the same facial expression as the fishing demonstration he did in the clip you linked. When fishing, I don’t think guys are quite thinking about nothing but just enjoying the environment, remembering other, better things, or possibly thinking about nothing.

Since I don’t fish by myself I usually spend the time talking with someone that is the reason for me fishing. I do also do things that don’t require much thinking, but that just means I can think about other things while doing them. I am a thinking kind of guy though, so it might be his depiction is too simplistic to cover all types of men.

My daughter was an A ganger on a sub. On her first day on the job, she stopped her fellow crewmen from installing many of the toilets incorrectly and literally prevented a sh*tstorm. Throughout her hitch she was a peacemaker, a morale builder (as much as was possible…) and a pretty good mechanic. She says that there were a couple of really talented male mechanics that were “instinctive.” She encountered of few of the stereotypical toxic women described in the comments, and suffered from their presence as much as the men did. She also had her fill of “19 year old guys who were drama queens”. Her main concern is the suicide rates that she attributes to the 96 hour work weeks.

Bravo, Scott. What I’m hearing you say is “Stop the crap. Just pick the best people and let God sort it out.”
Seems like a pretty good arrangement to me.

I knew where Steve was going before they even went to him. Can always count on him for a good Heinlein reference.
In “Time Enough for Love”, Heinlein has Lazarus spend several pages on how to pack a wagon train for a cross country trek and compares it to loading a space ship for interplanetary travel and homesteading on the new planet.
Interesting read, but it comes down to one thing: weight. Always weight.
Space yes, but weight.

Which is not to say that you’d load an inferior configuration to save weight. Weight is a limiting absolute factor, not the only consideration when it comes to determining the loadout. Weight cannot be exceeded and still hope for success. Still, there’s a lot of options on a per unit basis when it comes to meeting weight requirements.

I.E. an aircraft can carry a whole lot of smaller bombs or it can carry one really big bomb. Which is more efficacious depends on the mission goals. If you have a lot of enemy troops in the open, lots of little bombs works good. If you need to bust a cave system or a bunker, one really big bomb is the soup of the day. Either way there’s a limit on what weight the aircraft can carry but there’s a wide selection on the per unit items that will be loaded.

In the way that applies to this topic, if the mission goals are to get to Mars then whatever aids those goals, within the boundaries of absolute weight, is something that takes priority.

So if it’s better to send a mixed crew and that provides a greater probability of success then a mixed crew is what flies.

Diversity hiring is always a bad idea. Always. Because it selects for something other than what will increase probable success. Success is the ultimate goal and anything else is a lesser concern.

There are some pretty tiny men too. Selecting male crewmembers by size and mass would be as big a mistake as selecting for female crew by sex alone. If the very best possible mission commander is a guy that falls just outside the size and mass parameters you’re going with at the very most a second best choice. It doesn’t really matter a lot if the very best is male or female in this regard. As far as mass goes a small guy is equal to an average girl.

BTW, “Time Enough for Love” is one of my favorite Heinlein novels. I have a copy on a shelf not 5 feet from where I sit right now. I’ve probably read that novel a half dozen or more times and listened to it on audio books at least as many.

Lazarus Long would not have loaded his Conestoga with an inferior plow prone to breakage and loss just because it weighed less. He would have selected the best plow he could get his hands on and the weight be damned. All else being equal he would have then selected the lighter plow. He would just have gone without some other, less crucial piece of gear for homesteading to get the weight back down within acceptable margins.

I don’t recall the exact wording where Heinlein describes Lazarus packing to go homesteading in the local outback. So just take “best plow” as a generic example.

You’re an engineer so I’m sure you’re aware of all this but the way you said it could make some people misunderstand and think that you meant going with an all female crew due to the mass of crew and consumables would be optimum. It’s not, what’s optimum is what works best within the allowed capacity, weight being one of the considerations but not the only one on a per unit basis. You want the best you can possibly get and adjust other factors to get the weight, or mass if you’re flying spacecraft, down to the most advantageous to encourage the likelihood of success.

Worst of all, there are men who claim to be women and with things they way they stand now you’d probably end up with a sexually mixed crew even if you tried to select for only women. Those men would scream about bias and prejudice and all that crap and the political administration would melt like a snowman in July. Then you’d really be reducing your chance for success.

If we can’t make a best effort then we shouldn’t go. Anything less than a best effort just wastes blood and treasure for no significant gain.

I think the article the guys are talking about above is just a faux-feminist daydream. It’s a “See! Girls are better for space exploration!” fantasy and it’s full of holes. No pun intended, the holes I’m talking about are in the heads of the daydreamers and nothing below the neck.

My copy of TEFL is held together by duct tape. The section where LL talks about loading the wagons I have as a photo on another device.
I really enjoy where is “trades” the cow (for milk) and the sheep (for yarn) with a long haired goat (for both) and downsizes his anvil so that he can take an extra water barrel.
It is all about trade-offs and not letting the perfect get in the way of the good. I know many engineers who have never understood “acceptable” limit and tolerances vs what should be achievable.
Even Elon’s Starship doesn’t have every component toleranced to the 5th decimal place.
I had a long running argument with a British company because they said the shaft we provided was out of tolerance by 0.001mm. For the uninformed, that is less than 0.00004inches. On a part that was toleranced to 0.0005inches. So they were looking at an order of magnitude tighter.
They didn’t appreciate my NY colloquialism.
Fortunately our GM was a West Pointer from NJ, he did appreciate my NY’isms.

The conclusion, regarding a very complicated subject, but based only on one variable, mass, is too narrowly posed to be valid. It is improper induction and pseudo science.

Pseudo-science allows any conclusion to be supported by only considering evidence that supports the conclusion. That is what is done here. Mass is important, but it is only one of many other important parameters.

The “study” also fails by only considering men and women statistically. It is as if we are going to pick our astronauts randomly off the streets. However, statistical differences between men and women is likely to be irrelevant because the astronauts will be chosen according to their individual characteristics and needs for the mission.

Yeah, I said the same thing but you said it better and more briefly.

Maybe transgenders will combine the best of both. Ha-ha-ha!

I was wondering who would bring that up. I almost did.

Good mocking!

Interesting idea – I think that filling a rocket with Drag Queens and launching them into space would enjoy bipartisan support!

They could make up the crew for the first landing on the Sun…

I’d vote for that, if they were tasked with exploring conditions on the surface of the sun. Expensive but perhaps worth the cost.

“Hey, you! Undrag yourself and act like a normal person!”

“No, I’m not going to do that.”

“OK, well then thanks for volunteering for Solar Mission # X.”

Where “X” resolves to a number exactly equal to whatever it takes to get rid of those weirdos.

Absolutely, having served on a ship in the Navy, the idea of women on ships is crazy. men together have comradeship that includes harmless jokes and put downs at one another’s expense. As soon as a woman is introduced all those men become rivals and the same jokes become humiliation in front of a woman which produces anger. I saw this in Class A school on land one or two women in a class changes the dynamic entirely. It’s biology.

Not only in the Navy, but your point is well-taken. Military bands (of which I have ample experience) is another example. But submarines, I believe, is the most extreme example of the mixture between men and women.

Submarines are also the closest terrestrial analog to spacecraft. Studying the crew dynamics of submarines would yield the best available real life models when it comes to selecting spacecraft crews.

Which is why (until recently) I have propounded the Navy taking over space exploration from the Air Force. Navy are accustomed to close quarters and enclosed spaces for extended time periods.
For exploring the limits of speed and altitude, steely-eyed fighter jocks are the way to go.
But for extended flights in an aluminum tube filled with testosterone, have a Chief Petty Officer and a Warrant Officer to keep the crew under control.

When it comes to the intricacies of huge, moving, complex machines full of people, no organization in history can beat the U.S. Navy.

But then the Navy decided to put girls on warships so … Someone needs to do some rethinking somewhere. And —

I really, really hope they get around to that rethinking thing before China tries to eat our lunch.

I don’t so much mind the girls on the warships as the boys who think they’re girls on the warships.
Some of the female sailors I knew in the service were total badasses. Knew their sh!t, could hold their own during high tempo ops. Yeah, there were those who couldn’t keep up, or who were only there for the ‘target-rich environment’ to snag themselves a husband (who would be absent for long stretches).
Of course, this was back in the 80’s, before men became women.

It is interesting but in most of the science fiction books I’ve read, they talk about space NAVIES and space marines, not a space force akin to the air force.
Along with calling the craft “ships” the “stuck in an enclosed metal box” idea makes a heck of a lot of sense.

I completely agree with Steve – send the women first and the men later. Think of all of the yummy sammiches that will be waiting for the men when they arrive. Mmmmm, sammiches.

Lol, serve you right if when you get to Mars the sammiches are all made by tranny ‘women’ who just can’t wait to hear how much you appreciate their sammich making skills.

😉

Neither sex is better at multitasking. Given more than one task do do simultaneously, neither sex is better. The human brain uses the same area to focus and complete tasks, so it is a limiting fact. Women are better at switching back and forth between tasks, however. (Fostered over millennia of trying to keep their children from killing themselves while they are working, no doubt).

If you’ve ever been SCUBA diving, you know that certain individuals, like me, use up all their oxygen quickly. I’m down there flying around, chasing turtles, not wanting to miss anything, …, and I miss half the dive because I’m back at the surface.
To address Scott’s premise regarding differential consumption of oxygen and calories, maybe the answer is to find women and men who naturally, or through training, consume less.

That translates to better physical conditioning, and I have no doubt that even with the idiotic government we have now, somehow better conditioning would be a facet of personnel selection.

Oh, wokeness too. Gotta have wokeness.

Disagree somewhat regarding conditioning as leading to less consumption of oxygen and calories. I was a very fit college swimmer. I used up oxygen and calories at the blink of an eye. Agree with Chris Taylor (above) that small people make more sense.

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