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COVID Amnesty: We All Make Mistakes, So Let’s Just Move On (or Do We Need Hearings & Prison?)

Some now call for “COVID amnesty” — an effort to forgive and forget, and move on without consequences, hearings, trials or jail time, for those who pushed bad science into bad policy.

COVID Amnesty: We All Make Mistakes, So Let's Just Move On (or Do We Need Hearings & Prison?)

Some now call for “COVID amnesty” — an effort to forgive and forget, and move on without consequences, hearings, trials or jail time, for those who pushed bad science into bad policy. But will that achieve a long-term beneficial outcome for the country, or merely mask the real process challenges we face? 

[NOTE: This episode of Right Angle is actually an excerpt from our Backstage meeting, and a test of a new approach to our longest-running show.]

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98 replies on “COVID Amnesty: We All Make Mistakes, So Let’s Just Move On (or Do We Need Hearings & Prison?)”

My wife and I like your new look. It presents a more engaging discussion for certain. I do have to make a comment on one statement that was said, though. Bill pointed how aviation has grown safer because of how incidents are investigated and referenced the Alaska Air flight 261 crash as an example. I believe Scott then said that even without the resulting fines for poor maintenance caused by trying to cut costs, airlines would be lining up to fix their procedures. Over my career I have flown for two civilian airlines after retiring from the USAF. Both of them would quite often make choices based upon cost saving in areas of facilities, procedures and crew management. To their credit, when I or any other Captain called them on it and said the result was unsafe that was the end of the conversation. As an aside, Captain Ted Thompson of Alaska flight 261 was in my squadron when I was in the 14th MAS at Norton AFB, C A flying the C-141.

All in all, I like the new format. It has that feel of being more like a debate than anything. As far as Covid amnesty, I agree with Bill and Steve. We need to punish these people who impose their will on us and destroyed our country. And Fauci definitely needs to be punished because he gave them the ammunition do this. My wife works as housekeeper at a nursing home. Period and only just today. Did they finally get rid of the masks. Again, I definitely like the new format.

Personally, as someone who wants to get your independent viewpoints, I think the new venue may make you ‘money’ but is definitely missing on intelligent content.
This may be the way that Utubers look for stuff, but that’s because their attention span and critical thinking ability has dropped to the 8th grade level…and the lower it goes, the more child-like we become. So easy to lead by the nose.
In this case you did not address the media’s complicit role in the Covid-19 massacre of American independence by all levels of ‘authority’.
No, I don’t like the change.

Covid-19 mortality Rate for Washington state (today’s number) was 0.71% for the 1.8 Million people who caught it in 2 years. That is not a super dangerous virus.
It was a whip to use on human animals to get them into line and will be used at the next time IF we keep reacting like animals and not INDEPENDENT individuals responsible for our own lives…not following government blindly.

Possible that they were waiting for AZ and GA to settle out. Scott did answer my blog post about the forum going offline for a while…and didn’t Bill have to fly to Tennessee for the Tuesday night vote coverage for Daily Wire? I’m not worried until Friday if no quick “here’s what happened ” notes on the site.

Yeah, me too. It’s Thursday and no Backstage. The Guys said they were going to try a new system that would keep them more current with events so I’m wondering if this is a transition hiccup.

I enjoyed this session, and many good points were made on both sides. But two issues not touched on executive power and Fauci lying.
Executive power should be time limited to maybe 3 months, then a committee must vote to extend.
How about the fact that Fauci & his colleague Collins tried to undermine the Great Barrington Declaration as false data. Note that this declaration was signed by several infectious disease epidemiologist from Stanford, Harvard, and Oxford [Oct 2020]. Basically, saying that shutdowns should only apply to the vulnerable.

Scott, I agree that we should not simply fire or make heads roll. We definitely need to make sure that this never happens again but we certainly should not do any less than make the heads roll.

I don’t generally limit my watching of the channel – especially Right Angle – because of time, so having a short or a long segment doesn’t really have any effect on my likelihood of watching. Topics DO have an effect.

I liked this particular segment of RA because, although I could see where Scott was coming from – and how frustrated he was because he didn’t think he was getting his point across – I really agreed with Bill & Steve. While you all have views similar enough to make the show compatible and I don’t think you should try to change that dynamic, it’s interesting to see when you have a radical disagreement, not only to get the different viewpoints, but to see how you go about EXPRESSING those differences.

Wow. 2-3 times as many comments as the other videos with “high comment count”. Much more when compared to regular comment levels. You sure got us fired up and I’m not different, I don’t normally comment but felt compelled.
I think what is at issue here is that right now there are no consequences for using health to drum up fear. So politicians seeking the ultimate power (to shut down and control our lives) can use health issues with impunity. An investigation into who wielded the power of fear about our health is in order so that politicians or advisers now realize that, in fact, they have to vet their “facts” before terrorizing us into actions we would not normally take.
In this way they sure seem a lot to me like the modern media (perhaps media for all time, I can’t say) in that there is a whole lot of reporting on fearful issues in order to wield that fear and often we find that the information that leapt to outlets was wrong.
I would argue that, in fact, the very refusal of amnesty and investigation into who knew what and when, how it was presented to the populace, what was back-tracked and overturned (and how many times) and who allowed government overreach by their assertations about information that had not been properly vetted – that investigation or those actions themselves (particularly if they carried penalties) would act very much as a balancing deterrent for future events.
In other words, a visible, punishing push-back IS doing something to prevent this happening again.
Furthermore, I think “both sides” using the medium of a public investigation (I do not want to use the words “show trial” because I hope there is more than just “show”) is perfectly acceptable because it allows the (voting) public whose investigation is based on nothing and whose investigation has a foundation.

Couple thoughts on new format. I thought membership gave you privilege to the backstage and is that now being made available to everyone. Also membership gave you access to the more free flow fun of back stage which makes me feel like I’m on the inside discussion so to speak
Also I thought the back stage purpose was to trial run your topic so it’s cleaned up and more professional looking for the release of right angle tofirst time viewers and non members. This appeared a little more like you were mad at each other and that would attract certain folks but you guys were talking over each other and didn’t seem as cordial as the final version of a right angle. First time viewers may not understand the dynamic of your relationship. I think you should keep it as professional looking as you can for final release. I would like to see them a little longer but that could depend on the topic. I do miss the firewalls which brought me here to begin with

I was feeling frustrated on behalf of Scott. He was not disagreeing with Bill or Steve. He agreed with them that the wrong-doers should be punished. However, he wanted to go FURTHER and see if there was some way to prevent such abuses from taking place again. Bill and Scott and many in the forum were treating Scott like he was going easy on the bad guys. He was actually trying to go further.
Meanwhile, I like the old format better. I prefer calmer, more structured ten minute-ish segments.

My thoughts were along the same line. It seemed to me that Scott was trying to draw out reasoned, effective suggestions for a plan of attack that had some hope of succeeding. Not just “Curse them, curse those filthy Hobbits, we hates them forever!”, but a real idea of what accountability would look like.

I thought of doing a highlight reel including each time I said wrongdoers should be punished. 🙂

ROFL. You might have to resort to that! Bill and Steve were just really mad at the people who were responsible for all the COVID travesties and I get it. Heck, I’m mad at those people too. Lots of people are, including a lot of the folks commenting here on the site.

We all need to be aware of friendly fire casualties though.

“Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall inherit … etc.”

I’m still looking forward to hearing some real life applications of how to hold those people accountable. Don’t give up looking for them.

I get you Scott, I think, lol. things started getting muddled over who enforced these mandates, the federal or state and local level, but I think it al started with Fauci’s recommendations. We’re just upset you weren’t getting as worked up as your cohorts lol

It all started in a Chinese lab being funded by Fauci. That’s where we should start looking to hold people accountable too.

China is liable for the damages it caused. China needs to pay for that. Fauci is liable for letting his ‘Science’ get off the leash and run amok. Fauci needs to pay for that.

Once that ball is rolling real good it will be a much easier matter to follow the clues and hold lesser entities accountable.

I’d also like to see the loophole closed that allows those involved with giving grants (NIAID and NIH) to big pharma getting a fat royalty check when their discoveries are patented. I read that in the last 10 years about $350 million has been given to Fauci, et al. It’s taxpayer money funding those grants, the taxpayers ought to benefit, not the grant-givers.

Since we’re in the mood to make Bill work more (haha), a long form “The Making of D is for Dungeon” might tickle the algorythm in the right places. Zo interviews, with Cameo’s from Steve and Scott with their perspective on the meaning of D is for Dungeon.

Life, Liberty and pursuit of Happiness is the plan set forth on the Declaration of Independance. The central government first planned to protect the lives and establish liberty of the population and happiness would follow. The warfare by the Crown Forces, both civilian and military, tried to rebutt that plan of the colonies unsuccessfully.
The sovereign states thus established had to have an agreement between themselves and a means of managing that agreement, therefore, the Constinution of the United States was agreed upon where the central government would represent those sovereign states as one nation to all the world. Then the squabbling between the different sovereign states could be adjudicated rationally to fairest outcomes.
Differing views of issues became factions that argued until compromise for issues came about and were agreed upon. The States had each established laws that applied only to that State and The Union established laws that applied to all States. The factions became political parties of like-minded individuals that argued the differing issue views nation-wide.
The problem today is that all political parties do not try to find a compromise because their issues are not of the same importance and the civilian media takes biased views to influence the population rather than stating the facts evident in each view for the People make up their own minds.
Therefore, the Happiness cannot be pursued in Liberty and Life prevail for all.

I don’t like it when Mommy and Daddy fight! Can I suggest that the funny is also good – you have done some episodes that have left me chucking for hours

On the 3 axis format adjustment, maybe plan to do it for 90 days and then take a feedback assessment?
I often go to You Tube to find that short segment on repairing some auto or household item/ issue, and am really pleased and surprised at the number of people who contribute to that type of information resource. Not sure I search YT for political commentary, unless it is by or from or about a particular person that I admire, respect, or have been told should be listened to. Google does not know me as well as they might, but they do end up offering additional video segments on the side bar that are often attractive and compelling enough to click on them, usually based on past surfing.

At minute 15: it strikes me that the state level assertions of emergency police powers (and also for the federal level for that matter) were often overly broad and not well defined for corrective review and alteration by state (or local) legislative bodies. In some cases an emergency for a week is enough, in others maybe 90 to 180 days. [See Patriot Act for an example of overly long usage.] Should not be that hard to define a dozen or so categories of natural or other emergency situations and the allowed/ desired response by the executive authority to deal with them. Clearly with additional or on-going reviews, and a follow up for lessons learned for future improvements. The George Floyd, Portland, and Uvalde situations are great examples of bad examples to learn from.

As Scott interjected his moderating views on the discussion, I had the thought that he is like the Senate, while Steve and Bill are responding like the House. So good to have both perspectives being offered and discussed.
Using the bigger picture for the actual speaker looks like a nice feature – I could live with it or not need it, however. One thing to consider is if the back stage segments are more informal, as they are, they are thus sometimes also less crisp that the planned segments.

This discussion has just convinced me that there is no legal or political remedy for what happened under Covid. Scott’s focus on process is inane.There are multiple instances of government ignoring existing processes to enforce their will on the populace. Process enforcement is for the little people.
Our remedies exist elsewhere. Make of it what you wish.

So, early unscientific returns.
This vid has been up on YT for 6 hours as I write this.
3500 views and 537 comments
For comparison:
Out of Control (3 days ago) 5600 views and 88 comments
Lightning Round (3 days ago) 4200 view and 51 comments

Ok, I started and know what I got?
Bored.
Percentage of Positives on the format are 99+% and didn’t see any haters on the topic or the format 60 comments into it.
Bill, you owe that emailer about the 3 axis algorythm a beer. Better yet, have Elizabeth Warren go to her fridge to get both of you a Beeeer. Yum.

I glanced through. Format – definitely positive.
Other comments are pretty typical. People chastising Scott for not wanting people punished if they did wrong, even though he expolicitly said 4 or 5 times that anyone who broke the law should go to jail.
People wanting big show trials.
Personally, I think all public congressional hearings are campaign events designed to let congress-critters look congressional to their constituents. They are kabuki intended to accomplish zero actual results and lay political blame at others.
The states need to all conduct reviews and I think DeSantis and Youngkin should lead the way. Youngkin as VA has this silliness that one cannot serve two consecutive terms as Gov. So he can legitimately say the they need a process review so that over reach doesn’t happen the next time, and there will be a next time, and he likely won’t be in office to make better decisions so let’s make them ahead of time.

Firstly, I really like the ideas behind your new format. It’ll be like having the Backstage videos several times a week and a lot of those who aren’t privy to the Backstage fun will be able to witness what I have by being a member. I say go for it and we’ll all enjoy the ride.

Secondly, yes, much of the tyranny of the co-vid lock downs and closures were on the local levels, but the Federal government was most definitely involved with mandates in the military, airlines and workplace areas. My memory is hazy regarding the last two years of horror, but I do remember that my husband was having to prepare himself to quit his job if his then employer had decided to follow the workplace mandates to get the co-vid death shots that OSHA, a federal department, was pushing. Luckily, those mandates were shot down, but not before our medical employees were faced with that same decision. Fauci knew danged well what he was doing, as explicitly shown in Robert F. Kennedy’s book, The Real Anthony Fauci, and the now subsequent documentary of the same name. Fauci’s intentional harassment and destruction of the many fine doctors and scientists who opposed his agenda is exposed in the book.In my view, if Fauci, Bill Gates and the many others involved in those heinous actions aren’t charged and prosecuted for genocide and crimes against humanity… ALL of humanity, then there is no justice in existence on this little blue ball of a planet. I strongly urge everyone to read Kennedy’s book and, if possible, watch the documentary.

Hi Guys, I had to join this discussion. I haven’t even finished the video yet but I am fully passionate about what went on in my hometown of Burbank, CA. All I have to say is “Tinhorn Flats”. I think that Bill touched on this, but we were in full lockdown with the meanest people you can ever imagine. Tinhorn Flats will probably never come back again, and even if it does, I don’t think that they will ever get an apology or the money back that they lost in trying to fight it with their many lawsuits. Gavin Newson, Eric Garcetti, Constantine Anthony (now Vice Mayor of Burbank), The Crip Keeper aka Barbara Ferrer (who did the daily death count) were and ARE tyrants. Something has to be done about those that lost their businesses and their lives. The whole thing was appalling, and there was so much trauma done that people are still walking and driving around around “alone” this area with masks on. My entertainment partner lost his life due to a heart attack because of stress of having no money to live on. I couldn’t be more passionate about this subject and I am not willing to forgive it. I had to put my 2 cents in. – Debbie Keith

I have said this before, the lively back and forth is one of the main reasons BackStage is so good. Definitely keep that.
Also, the idea of recording multiple days a week to stay somewhat more current is excellent.
The visual format works and mimics the type of thing many of us have had for the past two years in video calls. Whoever is speaking is in the larger box and the other two or three are on the side in smaller boxes. It shifts when soeone new is speaking. That will be very easy for people to adjsut to as we already are adjusted to it.
As to the investigation(s): Well there need to be 51 of them. Each state should conduct their own and the Federal Gov’t needs one as well to determine if “suggestions” and “mandates” that have no legislation behind them should ever be thrust upon the states again.
The class action lawsuit by our military members who were fired should be huge in and of itself.

New format, I’ll wait and see. Totally understand why it’s being done. Love the give and take, really get to see each of the 3 personalities come through.
Time: Nice commute listen, I have about a 30 min drive due to traffic, so it’s in a sweet spot for me.
Re the topic: 2021 was HUGELY big for my company. We mfg and sell outdoor sporting good (skateboards) and all the componentry which goes with it. ’21 was the biggest, craziest, most busy in volume and margins and bottom line profit, in our 49 year history. I think Scott said it in the episode, and he was right. Money was spent on goods and items you COULD use during the pandemic. Outside sporting goods. I’m sure same could have been said for frisbee’s, basketballs, fishing gear, etc. I know surfboards went off too in 2021. Ours was the teeny exception, not the rule.
The Pandemic started off in “a direction”. The idea seemed sound. Federalism. Let each state run it’s response. On paper it seemed like a good idea. But as in the case of California, the Gov took his cue from Fauci and the CDC. Then the County Karens (un elected health dept executives) took the cue from the Governor, who took the Cue from the CDC. Even the county sherrif deputies carried out the hammer of the County Karen in Santa Cruz, Stopping by my house to tell me I had to send the construction workers home on their last day of a 5 month project!
The Deputy did say he’d have driven right by my house, looking for real crime, however, a neighborhood Karen called into 911 saying I was putting lives at stake by allowing the workers to finish up. Maybe I shouldn’t be called them Karens, but let’s see, what works better? I got it….Gorn! Yeah, Gorn! (I will be Murh-Cee-Full)
At the state and county level, this has been a 2 year CYA exercise. Nobody wanted to lose their job or suffer consequences by stepping out of the Chain of Command from the CDC on down. The Media was no help in this.
Let’s now talk about ice cream, since it’s a favorite of Nancy and Joe. Scott, you break this down to Chocolate and Vanilla. You walk into BR 31 flavors and all you see is Chocolate and Vanilla. I see 31 flavors. You can get to your “fix the process” (vanilla), but first you have to investigate “what happened” (all of the other 31 flavors). If in the discovery phase you get actual proof, with documents and witnesses, that the fudge in the Anthony Fauci Fudge Caramel Swirl ain’t sugar and cream and cocoa, butt an entirely different concept of ‘fudge’, then you can then bring charges for malicious mischief against the perp who pooped in the ice cream. But the intent is to not hunt for the pooper. I think the intent you 3 can agree on, is to investigate, fairly and with an open mind, what happened, very much like the NTSB investigates a crash, to understand what needs to be done to avoid repeating this again.

Or, I simply could be wrong.

Having said all that, is there any money left over with this format change for Steve to continue doing Lightning Rounds? Better yet, since ‘reissues’ are all the rage with the kids, how about a re-boot of “Steve Green’s Hair of the Dog”? Or, a new mash up of “Steve Green’s The Week in TikToks”? Even a video version of Florida Man Friday on PJM would do.

I think Lighning Round fits, as he ambushes them with topics. Maybe a little more back and forth, don’t just ask Scott or Bill, start with Scott and then let Bill also chime in and have a discussion. Then start with Bill on the next one.
Maybe it is 3 topics, not one?

Now you’re just being cruel to the rest of us. For some reason that pic post only showed up as a solid vertical white line around a thinner solid vertical thin black line in your post on my browser. So I clicked on it to open it and nearly gagged. Coffee went both out my nose and down my windpipe … Are you trying to kill me?
😉

Scott, you continue to talk about “process” and fixing “the process” without a single thought given to how the “people” manipulating the “process” created the entire mess. What it comes down to, pure and simple, is that those who seek POWER and CONTROL will use whatever recommendations, tools, laws, or shifting winds to best leverage that power to THEM. That isn’t a “process” nearly as much as it’s a people-driven philosophy and practice.
But I’m in a generous mood, Scott. Let’s take your premise that it’s not about power-mad people who are at fault and thus they should be left alone and it’s the “process” that needs to be fixed.
Without exception, each state in the union should conduct a top-down review of the mechanisms that created this Covid mess. The state-driven “emergency” powers that the governor or his sycophant assumed to lock people down, close schools and businesses. Then, on top of that, let’s look at how the CDC used it’s alleged “authority” to drive decision making across the entire country. We all know the CDC became a politically-driven entity and based its own decisions on politics and which way the wind was blowing.
You can start there, Scott, and when you’re done with that, THEN you can start lopping off heads because at that point, you’ll know without a shadow of a doubt who is guilty of overreach and decisions that favored THEM rather than the people they purportedly serve.

Agree that this needs to 50 separate reviews on the state level, plus one on the Federal level that reins in the Federal authority that was abused in the form of CDC.

Ron, imagine the congress asking California’s man child governor Hair Gel to initiate an investigation into what went wrong. That’d be the shortest report ever submitted. I think serious governors would initiate serious investigations, but so many states would simply say nothing they did was wrong. There, is the waste of time and resources.

Yes, but that intransigency would be ultimately helpful even if just letting the rest of CA and USA know how big a dictator wannabee he is. He will run for POTUS in 24.
But other than CA, the others seem to be swinging back. Even WA state may elect an R sen.

I like the new format OK, except for things like Steve saying, “I’ll go into this more when we do the segment.” I guess if you know you’re not going to “go into it more” you won’t do this, right? I always like the Backstage show. Are you going to keep doing them?

Not sure what I think of the new format. Only time will tell. Will there still be a back stage?
I’m not sure what “process changes” Scott is referring to. Seems to me that the first process change would be to make people accountable for their decisions. What that level of accountability is would depend on where they were in the chain of events. Ask Lt. Calley how well the “just following orders” defense worked out.

Here is the first process change:
When a governor imposes an “emergency situation” it is limited in duration. (2 weeks, 30 days) and then the authority that has been taken needs to be upheld by the state legislature.
That debate would then be able to look at if the state and local people are enforcing the dictates the way intended. If not the legislature could revoke the authority and things revert to the law.

The new format was very lively. Going forward, as you monitor viewership, I hope you will be able to report an increase in engagement.
As for the topic under discussion, perhaps the most effective course to solve both the issues of punishment and process is to remove those responsible from positions of power and simultaneously limit the powers of those offending agencies or offices. Watching them whine and complain about losing authority would be almost as satisfying as retribution.

I like the new format, but to be as wishy washy as possible, I liked the old format too. I agree with Scott we cannot go after anyone purely for political purposes. But this would not be for a political purpose. Real harm was done to people of this country for purely political reasons and no-one will ever be held accountable for it. Both parties will circle the wagons to protect the status quo and that is where we must change things. The stauts quo should become the very definition of insanity.

Love this more free-flowing format, which gives the discussion more room to flourish and be productive, even without necessarily reaching a consensus. And the back and forth is refreshing and makes for getting deeper into the subject matter for the viewer/listener to form their own idea on the matter.
So please continue along this path and break the old formulaic format and as stated bring in some more spontaneity and more interesting debates.
On the issue of Youtube management, I can’t say much as I personally don’t usually find the episodes on youtube (as only very old shows show up in my feed and new ones are suppressed) but one thing struck me as I was looking through the “Bill Whittle Channel” is that it doesn’t seem to have been updated for quite a while, and the highlighted video on the home page could maybe better be an introduction to what new people can expect to find on the channel. And perhaps update the “Community” tab with current news about your mission and upcoming projects, as it is it only contains a 10 month old message about Bill getting a bout of Covid.
Just some ideas from the top of my head.

I believe this was an agenda to not only make money on the clot shot but also to bring in the “Vaccine Passport” which is step 1 towards the great reset. Also, they wanted to use the scamdemic to bring in changes to the United Nations agreement with the member nations so they would have all the control.

The United States of America is a Republic, not a technocracy. By our system you must convince the people, not the politicians, that your “expert” recommendations have merit if you want to make adjustments to the force applied by government against the citizenry. This is a vital distinction because …

If we allow our government to project force against us on the weight of an “expert” recommendation then it’s not actually the government that maintains our system by Rule of Law. There is then no Rule of Law, there is only rule by decree.

Another name for rule by decree is TYRANNY.

The government in that case is merely a puppet exercising the will of the so-called “experts”. Those particular “experts” are free to make any decree they can in any way justify whether that justification is sound or not. In this case an excuse is as good as a reason.

The worst aspect of this sort of situation is that the people exercising government power over us will pick and choose which particular expert recommendation does the most to further their political power. That’s the crux of this matter.

The people in government that stepped outside the bounds of Rule of Law to issue decrees based on the opinions of “experts” that they selected among all other experts because those opinions afforded them an opportunity to exceed their authority — need to be punished. If they can be punished legally they should be.

If they cannot be punished legally then they need to be punished politically. This takes the form of citing their crimes, or excesses and using that against them in a political campaign. Then when whatever effect that has runs its course, laws need to be passed to criminalize that sort of behavior.

The reason people in government abused their authority is that they were fairly certain they had found a loophole in the law and that they would not be punished. For that type, COVID/Fauci/Government Force was a win-win situation without accountability or repercussions.

There have to be repercussions if we don’t want this to happen again.

To bloody hell with “COVID Amnesty”.

First, when discussing the pursuit of justice for those who violated the public trust over covid, I could not help thinking about the current “no-bail” policies in some bigger cities. The parallels are significant. Crime runs rampant when there is no penalty.
Second, I find myself spending more and more time on the internet. Not a good use of time. I like Prager U precisely for that reason, the majority of their content is roughly 5 minutes. But a select few of their topics require more time. Be flexible.

On the format: I love the idea. One of the things I love about the backstage episode is the unscripted & raw opinions. It is why I love Steve’s lightning round episodes (sorry Scott!!). On the rare occasions where you disagree, the debates are honest and respectful. We need to show the insult-driven crowds on both sides how it’s done.
On the topic: Many of my clients lost their businesses. My daughter lost two months of 2nd grade and 3rd grade was so stressful with back-and-forth virtual learning and the useless COVID rules here in Indy, that she missed a lot of that year too. We have since moved her to a Christian school and she has caught up to where she should be. My wife was forced to get to the jab to keep her job working for a government contractor. She has asthma and that had us extremely worried. She fought her doctors for months over it. Four months later, praise God she did not have any side effects. Once the evidence became clear that what they were doing was not working and was actually making things worse, not only did they keep pushing but they suppressed any dissent. People at all levels need to pay with at the very least their jobs. From the federal government all the way down to the local school boards.

When you factor in Sudden Adult Death Syndrome and other vaccine injuries, the seriousness of the matter is on par with Rwandan genocide. Don’t forget that calling it SADS is an effort to save face by trying to make people conflate it with Sudden Infant Death Syndrome.
You probably know what Grey Goo is, well now it has a real world counterpart. It shouldn’t come as much of a surprise. living cells are regulated like a Swiss watch. So when you wrap a piece of RNA in the same lipid nano particle and slip it in there, it’s inherently going to have to bypass those regulatory mechanisms or it wouldn’t do anything. The code doesn’t stop executing, instead your immune system dials back it’s response to avoid unnecessarily making your body into a war zone. Boosters just stimulate the immune system as it adjusts to the ongoing threat. When excessive amounts of spike proteins and their antibodies accumulate in the blood they congeal. The guilty may have colluded to call it SADS but it would be more accurate to say people are dying of the Gruesome Jell-O.

I think something was missed here. Scott said many times that just punishing the “guilty” does nothing to improve the process to help avoid the same problems in the future. I think that making a public spectacle of severely punishing those who caused all this unnecessary harm is in itself a process to avoid future repeats of this type of problem. This means not just going through the hearings, but actually applying prison sentences or worse, regardless of what level of power the person held. This has never been the case recently, so nobody thinks it will change. If there are no consequences for those who are uncovered by the hearings, then Scott is correct. People who are “in power” will have no reason to worry about anything in the future. If there is a “process” begun and continued, whereby severe penalties are levied on even the “most high”, future “leaders” will be less likely to make the same self-serving decisions at the expense of their constituents. No consequences, no self-restraint. Scott’s approach will never improve things. Those in power will just ignore the existing “process”. That’s what the democrats have been doing for the last decade, with very little long-term consequence to the culprits. We have a Constitution. They ignore it. There are laws in place. The FBI and DOJ ignore them. Their actions ruin peoples lives, and in the case of COVID, actually cause loss of life. I call this murder. Why is a prison sentence or an execution for these criminals thought of as unjustified?

I don’t understand why we can’t do both: punish the bureaucrats AND fix the process…
As to the new format, I LOVE IT! The only “shortfall” of the old style, in my opinion, is that they were too short! Keep the hits coming, guys. They make my day!

My personal belief in this is that the majority of the people in charge, either giving the recommendations or trying to enforce them, knew that they were either doing no good, or that they would be doing harm.
I agree with one of the comments that I read in that the liberals have no moral compass. There can be no moral compass in any person that agrees with most of the liberal policies.
The law makes a clear distinction between doing harm accidentally, and doing harm knowing that you are doing harm. This makes it extremely important, from more than one angle, that we find out everything we can. Fauci knew that masks do no good. He said so before this ever started. This means that, at the very least, he knew that this recommendation would do no good. I believe he also made a statement about the harm that wearing masks does. If that is the case, then it is evidence that he understood the harm.
Any punishment that comes from this needs to be severe enough to make liberals shudder at the thought of it. It is the only way to ensure that, in the future, they will think twice about any such actions.
There also needs to be some procedural changes. This will address the same problem from more than one possible angle… trying to cover all of the bases. This issue is important enough to cover in every way possible.

Scott, you forget what the article says:
EVEN IF YOU KNEW YOU WERE DOING WRONG.
And your Employer forced YOU to get vax’d because if you didn’t then HE was under the perceived threat that HE would have to close down the store completely. This wasn’t HIS idea to get you vax’d. It was MANDATED to him by your govt who was mandated by the federal govt, who was “advised” by Fauci, who essentially had GOD powers granted to him because WHO classified the virus as a Pandemic !

As for the amnesty issue, no. Decisions are made, consequences follow. Amnesty removes consequences from the playbook. That is simply foolish. Even assuming, arguendo, that they had the best of intentions, and I do not assume that, there must be consequences. My elder child graduated high school in 2020. She skipped a year at college because she saw no point of going at it virtually. My younger one graduated in 2021. Whatever impact losing three months of school had on my daughter was multiplied by a factor of ten on my son who, because I live in New Jersey, essentially never went to high school again. He is having a much harder time of it than his sister, not because of the governmental overreach, but because that overreach had adverse impacts that have yet to be fully understood. So, no, No Amnesty. Ask me a second time, and make sure your dental insurance is paid up.

I like the lonegr time. As Ilisten, and don’t watch, I can’t say I noticed anything different from a production perspective.

I disagree, it seems less professional or polished. But seems much more authentic. I approve.

Listened on the train ride in today.
Scott asks what else we should do after dealing witht he ones that intentionally acted with such malfeasance (my words, not his). I get that he wants to fix the process. I want to focus the mind. Leaving sufficient metaphorical corpses of liars around should have that effect.

Human nature is to try to get away with whatever you can get away with. Demonstrable bad consequences change the calculus. Alaska Airlines changed their procedures because they got caught, and the consequences were sufficiently devastating that they could not afford to do it again. Ford did the same thing with the Pinto. When economics is all that factors in to your cost-benefit analysis, you need to front load the economics rather than wait on the goodness of strangers.

Democrats need to be punished, as they do not posess the moral compass to not behave badly. The only disincentive you can give them is pain, so if we don’t want this to happen again Dems must feel pain and a lot of it.
I don’t like this approach, but we know for a fact that anything short of this will not lead to a reapeat. 2020 election, anyone?

I’ve noticed that in general those lacking Judeo-Christian morality, whether they practice a religion or not on either side of the moral divide, generally respect only force and ignore pleas of morality and mutual benefit.

Whereas those who practice Judeo-Christian morality cannot understand this because they do not require force as a persuasive mechanism.

It’s important to know which sort you’re dealing with. Then you can apply morality and decency as persuasion when that has a good chance of working. Or you can apply force where only force will work.

It used to be, decades past, that a moral argument would work against Democrats because they also practiced Judeo-Christian morality. They have since devolved to not only abandon the practice but to oppose it, claiming they can construct their own morality as they see fit.

This puts such in the stance of — “Only force will work to alter our position and then only grudgingly until we get a chance to stab you in the back with your own morality.”

This applies in many situations. Democrats are in this regard joined in the company of third world Islam, N. Korea, China and other shining examples of this phenomena. Unequivocally this is devolution in American politics. They should know better, probably do, and don’t care.

The problem is that using force as a persuasive mechanism means the force needs to be continually applied. Let up on the force and the entity it’s being applied to snaps right back to where you began in the first place.

I’m saying all of this to explain why force needs to be used against the Democrats if we don’t want more of the sort of thing we’ve seen with COVID. Political force, legal force, whatever it takes within the bounds of our system. No more Mr. Niceguy.

Good points!
And to oversimplify what you wrote, I once read a great line that summarizes why I no longer bother to debate Leftists:
“You can’t reason someone out of a position that they didn’t reason themselves into”

O but Brother Bob … they THINK they’ve ‘reasoned themselves into’ their position because they don’t know the difference anymore between real reasoning and the counterfeits to reasoning. Like fallacy, sophistry and rationalization for instance.

They don’t know these things because the institutes of higher education where they should be learning this sort of stuff no longer teach the application of logic and reasoning. Those institutions had to give that up because things like fallacy, sophistry and rationalization serve their indoctrination agenda whereas the application of logic and reasoning diametrically oppose that agenda.

This is why they can’t argue their side and won’t participate in cordial debate. They don’t know how to do that and don’t understand why they should know such things. They have all been told what stupendous geniuses and amazingly wonderful good people they are. That fact of their infallible wonderfulness gives them the right to shout down (or much worse) any voices that oppose their stupendous states of genius.

Lemmings don’t really leap en masse off cliffs to their death, which makes these people unique in all the natural world because they’ve found a way to do just that while somehow managing to pat themselves and each other on the back as they fall.

Two years ago, I think most everyone would have agreed with Scott that “At least they were trying” and “They have our best interests in mind.” But after all of the facts that have come out about just how dishonest and nefarious they were it is indefensible and worthy of punishment for their acts.

Sorry, but I for one never saw any of the hysteria as having my best interests in mind. There were enough facts for anyone to see, even in early 2020, when I contracted Covid, to be against the draconian and self-serving edicts from government and big pharma. This is not because I am any genius, but just because, at 72, I am not inclined to blindly follow anyone over a cliff.

I was with you. I’ve written 26 articles in American Thinker, nearly all about the intersection of medicine and government. I think that in 2020 I wrote that history wouldn’t be kind to whoever made these decisions to shut down our economy and close our schools.

I was thinking about other episodes in History where the tide changed and pleas for amnesty might have been asked.
1)The Japanese after the Battle of Midway.
2)The Germans after the landing at Normandy
3)Iran after,…, well,…, after every decision they’ve made in the past 40 years. Wait. I think that’s what Obama/Biden is doing. They’re giving them “amnesty” every chance they get. Bad example.

Salem Witch Trials…..sorry witches, you’re dead now and mistakes were made, we’ll assume you’d give us amnesty if you weren’t dead.

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