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Crowder Drove Me Here

Let me start by saying I had no idea. I didn’t know that ‘Big Conservativism’ had been bought and bundled together in such a way with big media companies that there is little hope going forward for voices to make it out of the darkness. I didn’t know. And today when Steven made his post about the kind of soul crushing contract he was offered I had a few thoughts after the obligatory ‘Who is he talking about’ some other thoughts crossed my mind.

  • Who have I left out and who deserves my money knowing the above
  • Who can I trust
  • What now

These thoughts hit me pretty much all at once. And Bill and the boys came to mind. With the birth of my child I haven’t had much time and I’ll be honest things have been tight money wise. But I’m here, and don’t have any intentions of leaving. I am will leave any ‘Conservative’ group that plays the big tech game, never watching anything they put out ever again and not even allowing them the satisfaction of seeing another play on any video they make. I am tired of finding out at every turn that my trust has been betrayed, and I know here it will not be. Bill is genuine and my money is well spent.

As far as what now, I don’t know. I’m just frustrated and even if this entire thing with Steven Crowder is a charade (which I don’t think it is) I have a hard time funding anything that looks and feels like a giant media operation.

I’m here Bill with my meager $110 a year, it is what I can afford to give you for now. We are The Common Sense Resistance.

23 replies on “Crowder Drove Me Here”

FWIW, I just checked out DW and see one of their tier levels is monthly, at 14.00 per month. I’d join for a month to get access to Bill’s series. Then, when done, I just won’t re up. Depending on how DW releases Bills shows, as in, a dump of them all or a slow trickle, will dictate how long I’d stay a DW member. But the moment I’ve ……um…..acquired..er, I mean viewed….all of the content. I won’t reup the next month. Like others have said in this thread, I don’t need a DW annual subscription and not use it regularly.
And I’m still annoyed at Crowder for mocking Bill, on camera, on the Guantanamo boat ride during the PJTV days…

To put this simply this entire thing reminds me a lot of the TMZ type Drama nonsense that you see all the time with big stars in Hollywood but it has made its way to the Conservative sphere now with Crowder and Daily Wire. Summation in my mind is clearly very simple.

1)     Jeremy and DW is a business not a charity and he has to take care of those business needs or else the business doesn’t exist anymore.

2)     Crowder clearly felt slighted or hurt by the deal released to him so he felt he had to ‘take action’ and so he has. Using some of the very same toolset he usually reserves for attacking entities like voter fraud, LGBTQIAAP2+ nonsense, and the likes.

This just doesn’t look or feel good and sucks. I even reviewed my first blog post before many of the details started actually coming out and cringed a little. Reactionary, you bet. Must have gotten caught up in the drama a little myself. Should’ve taken advice form some of the very same people involved in this drama and been right not first. Anyway that aside…..

Seen the comments here and have to say there just seems to be a lot of cogs in the works. But I may consider joining DW if I can get the coin. There is a lot to sort through here, and as details continue to come out it just looks worse and worse. And honestly I think Bill had the best centerline opinion of it. It wasn’t Jeremy or DW’s responsibility to look out for Steven’s best interests, it was Stevens. And apparently Stevens best interests (misguided or otherwise) involve recording Jeremy without his knowledge and then cutting it up and putting it out on the internet to push his own subscription service while throwing mud at DW.

This looks and IS petty. Petty for a variety or reasons because the ONLY good reason I could find for this is that Steven got angry and fell into a Falling Down type break where one thing lead to another and before you know it your launching rockets at a construction crew. It makes sense to Steven but anyone on the sidelines is flabbergasted. Again, will we ever really know all that went on? No, speculation is all we got along with whatever ‘facts’ in the form of the physical term sheet and crummy recorded audio of calls between friends gets released.

I’ll close with this, this just sucks. I’ve loved watching DW content and Crowder content for years now. They have helped me hash out and form many of the opinions I have now. They’ve kept me laughing through dark times when I felt alone especially though all the COVID nonsense. This fight could have been avoided and what is worse is both parties are going to get hurt in this and likely a bunch of auxiliary parties as well from the fallout of being even 2 degrees of Kevin Bacon style connected to either party. I don’t like the idea of some kind of ideological purity test of “You aren’t with DW you aren’t a real conservative” or whatever. I thought this kind of thinking was reserved for the people we were trying together to fight.

Shows that the real enemy here is Ego. 

Welcome aboard Ross. You will find us to be an alarmingly diverse group that does not always agree with each other; but we tend to take Reagan’s commandment to heart: do not attack other conservatives. If we can agree on 5 policy points but not another 5, let’s work on the 5 upon which we agree.
Like others, I watch my subscriptions carefully. But I will say that I am saving up for a Daily Wire subscription so that I can watch the updated Cold War: What We Saw videos Bill is completing along with his new project on the Soviet Union.
Again, welcome!

Good question. I don’t think they did a DVD release of Apollo: What We Saw but that was also released for a while not behind the paywall. They ultimately moved it behind the paywall. I have never been a member at DW so I don’t know if they typically do DVDs.

I hope Bill or someone can wrangle access to TCW:WWS for us here at this site. I’d really love to see that but there’s just no way I can come up with the money for a DW subscription.

I’m super interested to see that though, there will be a lot of things in there that would be a welcome trip down memory lane for me. Because I know how that particular story ends now. It wasn’t so welcome or so fun when it was happening.

I am into my third listening of TCW:WWS. It is so in depth there is always something in each episode that I didn’t catch previously. I very much want to see it as video to see what they come up with as visuals. I thought the Apollo:WWS was very well done visually.
I am hoping for a short term subscription rather than a full year so that I can watch this and get out.

In the event Bill can’t wrangle access for us here, DW has a monthly subscription plan, so you can sign up for one month, watch the content and quit before the next month comes around.

Yeah, Crowder was a bit hysterical, to put it kindly, in his representation of this situation.

You really should watch Jeremy Boring’s very reasonable take on this thing …

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyCc5o1KDHU

We have enough problems without creating unnecessary and needless circular firing squads. Crowder needs to check his fire, he’s hitting friendlies.

I’m here because this is the best place to spend the very limited amount of money I have on a subscription. If I could afford it I’d be happy to have a Daily Wire subscription too but I just can’t do that. The Daily Wire is doing a ton of good for the cause of Conservatism both in the U.S. and around the world.

You should have been here already too, not ‘driven’ here by Steven Crowder. Even so, welcome aboard. We’re glad to have you no matter what brought you here.

This is a huge problem with Conservatives, not Conservatism but the people who claim to practice it. This “you’re dead to me” thing is helping our enemies. We are by nature very independent minded people and it’s not really helpful when someone hears something somewhere and declares a champion of Conservatism as ‘the enemy’. On their worst day I would still take Fox News, The Daily Wire, Dennis Prager or any of the rest who have been victims (sometimes with good cause, no one is perfect) of this fratricide over any of the Left’s media stooges and no, they’re not the same thing with a different coat of paint.

If you want the people who are currently meeting in Davos to rule the world, friendly fire can only help them achieve their goals for all of us.

“This is a huge problem with Conservatives, not Conservatism but the people who claim to practice it. This “you’re dead to me” thing is helping our enemies.”

I completely agree!!! I have too many conservative friends who engage in this.

We can disagree on specifics and agree in general, and we should support each other in our effort in the battle fronts each of us choose to line up on.

Not one single one of us is ever going to get the political landscape arraigned to our complete satisfaction. This reminds me of military service where every single private, including me, thought we knew how to run a Corps better than the Generals who actually did run it.

In the military, if you didn’t bitch you weren’t alive because the only happy troop is a dead one. We Conservatives are a lot like this except this isn’t the military and we individual people can do a lot of damage to our own cause by being exclusionary and exclusivist.

I generally speak up on this sort of thing on a regular basis. It’s a ‘big picture’ view of our situation. I also catch a lot of grief from other Conservatives because I do that. So thank you for taking the time to say you agree with me. I think a lot of Conservatives do agree with both of us but not enough of them make the effort to say so. Which only fuels the problem.

I thought something about Crowder’s proclamations smelled fishy and so when Jeremy Boring’s rebuttal, and it was kindly and respectfully done, popped up on my YouTube recommendations today I clicked on it immediately. I watched his whole presentation carefully. Jeremy Boring went through the whole document line by line.

Crowder was asking for way too much, his claims were untrue in some instances while exaggerated in others, his grasp of standard business practices was juvenile and what he was whining about wasn’t even a contract it was a proposal subject to arbitration, negotiation and approval of a final draft. That was what the Daily Wire would have liked to get, not what they really expected to happen. No one tried to screw Crowder over.

If anyone screwed Steven Crowder over, it was Steven Crowder.

I like Steven Crowder too. I think he’s very entertaining and amusing and as long as I can watch his videos for free I do that when I have nothing better to do. Which admittedly isn’t all that often.

What I don’t like is this this business of destroying useful, active, aggressive warriors for our cause just because you can make it look like, or even when it is actual and not an impression, they did something ‘non-Conservative’.

I’m now convinced that Boring didn’t try to take advantage of Crowder, Crowder tried to use his friends at The Daily Wire in an underhanded fashion for his own gain.

This circular firing squad thing would be sort of like if as a Marine I decided to shoot down U.S Air Force aircraft just because the pilots don’t live in the mud and survive on C-Rats (now MREs). After all, those pilots are not Combat Marines so screw ’em, right?

Wrong, weakening our own forces out of small minded spite, vituperous bile and a misguided sense of ideological purity is always a stupid idea whether you’re a Marine in a fighting hole or a Conservative trying to combat the damage the Left is doing to our society and nation.

I don’t mean any disrespect to our new member Ross Spencer. I’m just trying to get Conservatives to understand the consequences of the less-than-wise things they do sometimes.

“Boring didn’t try to take advantage of Crowder, Crowder tried to use his friends at The Daily Wire in an underhanded fashion for his own gain.”

I’m not even sure I would assign that motive to Crowder. I think that Boring is right, that Crowder has heretofore had benefactors rather than employers, and was expecting the same kind of treatment here. He wasn’t expecting an employee agreement.

I hope he see’s Boring’s video and I hope eventually it will … “Change his mind”.

Sometime today Crowder released a secretly recorded (by Crowder) segment of a telephone conversation with Jeremy Boring that was presented completely out of context.

It was a pretty blatant attempt at character assassination. Crowder presented it as if he were ‘exposing’ Boring somehow. It was a very underhanded attack that didn’t actually demonstrate what Crowder was claiming it did.

That pretty much burns Crowder’s bridges with everyone. If you can’t have a conversation with someone on the phone without your side being taken out of context and used to promote the person on the other end unfairly then no one is going to want to talk to Crowder on the phone. There’s just no way to be sure you’re not being set up and used for click harvesting.

I don’t know what mistaken ideas Crowder is operating under but he’s going about it in a manner that is clearly meant to be self promotional — At the expense of other people who have done no harm to Steven Crowder or anyone else.

Even Mark Dice, who’s pretty anti-establishment on the conservative side, is saying Crowder is doing this and is wholly in the wrong.

Now I don’t always agree with Mark Dice but if he’s saying Crowder is wrong considering how much Dice detests Ben Shapiro … That’s a sea change.

All of that said, this is a situation that clearly exposes the dangers of hero worship. Crowder is turning out to be a less than honorable person, to put it kindly. People that worship him as a hero are at the very least misguided.

It doesn’t matter who the hero being worshipped is, they can never live up to their own worshipper’s ideals.

That’s one of the reasons why I subscribe here. I hold Bill, Scott and Steve in high regard but there’s no way that could be considered hero worship. They’re just guys like us and that’s their great appeal.

When one of them stands on principles, I have no doubt about their genuine sincerity. Scott even takes a considerable amount of grief for doing that.

After what Crowder has pulled recently, he’s nowhere near the caliber of our guys on BWC as a person. He’s young and he may yet learn his lessons and become a major force someday so I’m not writing him off completely. I’m not impressed by his behavior lately in any event.

Sneakily recording people who thought you were their friend and colleague so that you can twist what they say out of context for your own self benefit is not the mark of a good man.

That does more damage to our side of the political battle than it helps.

I do hope Crowder gets his act together and I wish him well but at this point in time he’s his own worst enemy. No one else could do the damage to Steven Crowder that Steven Crowder is doing to himself.

Well, all of these soap opera antics that you’ve described reinforce my first impressions of Crowder. I was first introduced to Crowder by one of my daughters, and I’ve never cared for his style of commentary — it’s always too sensational for my taste. This latest public scene appears to follow the same sensationalism theme, and it is wholly self-serving. Unfortunately for Crowder, it may backfire spectacularly.

Agree, my nephew who’s just finishing college is a big Crowder fan. Crowder has a greater appeal to younger people it seems. That’s not necessarily a bad thing in itself. It’s good to get the younger people involved too. I’m very happy that my well raised, smart nephew is into Conservative opinions.

Unfortunately for Steven Crowder, what he’s doing is going to hurt him more than help him and even if it doesn’t it does not do good for Conservatism to behave this way.

I doubt seriously it’s going to do good for Steven Crowder either. Which is too bad and a sad thing. He has a huge audience and we need that audience on our side. We need Crowder on our side even if people like you and me don’t watch much if anything he releases.

Crowder is young, he may learn yet. If he doesn’t and keeps this crap up he’ll just shoot himself in the foot. It’s probably a self-solving problem in the long run.

The upside is that maybe we’ll get more Crowder castoffs here at BWC where the commentary is much, much better.

I can’t think anyone would ever call Bill, Scott and Steve “Big Con Inc.” no matter how big the membership ever gets.

Agreed. It spoke volumes about his character. He has no choice now but to go it alone.

Jordan Peterson’s daughter Mikhaila Peterson, who also happens to be Jordan’s manager and agent, put out a video on this situation and she said she thinks this thing Crowder did is probably a prelude to launching his own gig. I don’t really see how she could be wrong about that. I know if I was anyone in Conservative Media I wouldn’t ever talk to Steven Crowder on the telephone, let alone make a tentative offer to open discussions on a contract.

Those bridges are completely and totally burned. So he’s got to be going for it on his own. I wish him well, I don’t personally have anything against Steven Crowder except that which was exposed about his character in this situation. And you know what they say about burning your bridges behind you …

I don’t know exactly what this is referring to, but I’m assuming that it means Crowder left the Blaze because he was being …. I’m gonna say “stiffled”.

Incidentally, I was an original member of GlennBeck.com , which morphed into “The Blaze”. I’ve been a member until this month and I really haven’t used the subscription in several years. The deal is, I outgrew the need for it a long time ago.

I’ll forever be grateful to Glenn for his investigative work into the ugly underpinnings of the left and exposing them to a very wide audience. Being associated with “big” and then becoming “big” was instrumental in that. And I wish them the best of luck. I just don’t need it and I’m turned off by the click-bait headlines.

I love what Ben Shapiro is doing over at Daily Wire (I actually signed up because of Klavan … Ben is brilliant but exhausting to listen to at times). They, too, have gone to the click-bait headlines, which again I don’t like. I get that it brings them eyeballs and therefore money. Bringing Jordan Peterson over, as far as I’m concerned, is a coup that’ll keep me for a while. I’m more of a fan of think pieces, and they’re still very strong with that over there despite the noise.

Here, the signal to noise ratio is very high, and I like it that way. I took a liking to Bill back in the Eject! Eject! Eject! days when it would be months between posts but you knew it was going to be well thought out and you anticipated each post. I still think Firewall is the best series, ever. Especially the “What We Believe” episodes. But they’re all well thought out.

So cheers to everyone out there fighting the good fight on whatever front they’re fighting it, and those with the guts to break ties with those who aren’t fighting it the way they want to fight it. And let’s all stay out there fighting. Stopping the echoes in the giant echo chamber the left has created — and let’s not become one ourselves.

I joined back in the days of GlennBeck.com as well when it was small and nimble. But let my subscription lapse because I just didn’t have time to use it like I used to. Then years later Crowder announced Mug Club so I joined up and surprise I was somehow a Blaze member again. Then all the youtube algorithm big tech nonsense started happening and well several strikes and legal battles later Crowder is still fighting and so is the group here with Bill. I just didn’t have the disposable income to subscribe to 3-5 different sites and all so I was selective.
The Drama persay with Crowder is that there is one of these ‘Conservative’ media groups that is making the talent (like Crowder) sign away membership lists, all sales from merchandise, even the iconography and name Mug Club if I understand it right. And on top of that punishing the host monetarily if they get banned on social media platforms, get strikes or get demonetized for any reason. All of which Crowder has to get into drawn out legal battles over at nearly every turn. Even fining them 100k for missing shows if not ‘pre approved’ to do so. This seems counter intuitive being that a host like Crowder is constantly fighting the narrative and that gets you banned more than anything these days. Like punishing Marines for every bullet fired in battle, what is the REAL goal here? And it just seems like punishing the fighters and tamping down the more rowdy conservative base post Trump is the goal here.
That is what really made me re-asses who I watch, why and evaluate better where I place my money. Which made me remember here. And trust me I’m over funding people who betray my values. If Crowder has an issue with TheBlaze then so do I. Personally I’ve believed they do good work over there and I’ll thank them for that. But sometimes you grow too big. I like the signal to noise ration to be just so-so.

So I took ACTS (TM)’s advice and watched Jeremy Boring’s response … can’t argue with it – I think Steven misread the initial proposal and didn’t understand a lot of it.

Also, Jeremy is still a big Crowder fan.

The circular firing squad stuff … we need to avoid that.

“Bill is genuine and my money is well spent.”
Stephen Green, Scott Ott, and AlfonZo Rachel are genuine also, and contribute greatly to what Bill does here, let’s not leave them out. Once Scott personally took care of some issues I had and helped make me a member for life.

This is true, I cover them in ‘Bill and the boys’. Kinda like the A Team everyone has a favorite. He has grown the site and team from when it was just him doing Stratosphere Lounges (still the best produced show on the internet) and Firewalls. But yes lets not leave out the rest of the team and hopefully anyone else who is to come.

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