An Air Force Major and F-22 Raptor pilot tells CBS 60 Minutes he’s leaving the service due to a racist environment, but his actual complaints lack the punch of the charge of racism. Is the uniformity of the military inherently discriminatory?
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Zo, if you want to fly, when are you going to join the Civil Air Patrol? There’s always time.
Bill, you’re dead on about call signs. In the Navy, they’re meant to be as hurtful as possible. If you get a “cool” call sign, it means the wardroom doesn’t like you.
Either way, though, there’s racism – yes. There’s racist people in every ethnic group, and there’s racism against every ethnic group. There’s now institutional racism against whites in many environments. Everybody gets a piece of that crappy pie.
Here’s something that needs to be said, that obviously the senior command has either forgotten, somehow never learned, or (more likely) doesn’t have the courage to say out loud.
NOBODY has the right to serve their country in the military. Nobody.
Regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, socio-economic status, whatever. You do not have a right to serve. You can earn the privilege of serving, if a) you have the right attitude, fitness level and ability to persevere, and b) your skills and/or aptitudes are something the military has a use for.
It’s not a social program. It’s not a job fair. It’s not the counterpart to the Peace Corps. It’s not a political activist group. It’s an organization whose purpose is to advance US policy goals by killing people and breaking things, and that’s all it is.
Not even the straightest, whitest, most Christian, most male American who ever lived has a right to be in the military. The entire point of boot cap is to run off those who can’t cut it, no matter who they are, who they think they are, or who their daddy is.
It isn’t about you. And while it’s not Republican or Trumpist, there is something I have seen on T-shirts of Trump supporters that perfectly expresses an attitude that is actually literally vital to the proper functioning of the military:
Fuck Your Feelings.
Don’t think that attitude is vital? Tell me again when you’re kicking chunks of your best buddy’s corpse out of the way so you can get to the gear that needs emergency repairs done on it before we all die.
I’m so glad to hear the mention of the over preponderance of mixed race couples on commercials, And must I say not that there’s anything wrong with that but it’s not 60-70 % as the person above said it’s 15 % at most. I just get the feeling that someone’s agenda is being pushed but I don’t know who or why.
your % is way low my friend.
III%
Try being one of five of the first women with a tactical MOS PDS’d to a Battalion that had no EW’s before.
He hadn’t the character to be a US Air Force Major and F-22 Raptor pilot.
Also, he’s lying.
Great points guys. Appreciate your analysis.
We need more push back by the silent majority.
In the military you will receive unmerciful, brutal razzings from your fellow troops, no matter what branch you’re in though the Marines I personally feel are the absolute champs at this kind of thing. Even your mom and sister are not off limits, so why would anything else be?
Now, you can choose to think that’s because of the pigmentation in your skin if you like … But if that’s true then it applies to everyone across the whole spectrum of skin tones from ginger to ebony and everything in between.
Yes, this is going to sting a bit sometimes. That’s part of the game. It is an acknowledgement that you’re in the game, an accepted player and an equal. The instant you go getting all butt-hurt about things you lose status in the eyes of your fellow troops. Be a good sport about it and have fun.
Because it has nothing to do with the melanin content of your hide, though that too may not be an off limits topic any more than big ears, sad eyes, girlish hands (if you’re a guy), manly hands (if you’re a girl) or a receding chin.
Referring to the video above, if Bill had gotten all butt-hurt over the call sign “Gay Porn” — THEN THAT WOULD ABSOLUTELY HAVE BECOME HIS CALLSIGN.
(I’m not a military pilot and never actually had a “naming ceremony” like the Zoomies do, but I have a callsign. My callsign is “Frostbite”. Because I come from Minnesota. The reason they gave me that callsign had nothing to do with the winter temperatures in that state. It had to do with a cartoon that was very popular when I was young. See if you can figure it out from there …)
Rocky and Bullwinkle. Frostbite Falls, Minnesota 😉
Give the man a cigar!
Have a good friend who is now a Captain in the Navy but was a F-18 jock. He also has a call sign from a cartoon, but it is strictly on appearance. He just looks like that character. It is the same nick we gave him in college. Sometimes there are no choices in real life.
Hopefully someone can find it, but there is a TSL where Bill recounts the adventure. Even shows a little video of the group together. Very entertaining stuff.
I believe they ended up with Skid or Skidmark.
And you are correct, had he gotten too much in his feals he would have certainly ended up with GayPorn.
Yeah, I saw that particular TSL too. I was impressed that the pilots would think so highly of Bill that they’d have a ceremony and give him a call sign. In those circles that’s a singular honor very seldom bestowed on an outsider. Bill is quite right to hold “Skidmark” in high esteem..
“Even your mom and sister are not off limits…”
Only long enough to take a shower.
Sorry, but I couldn’t pass up the chance to give an actual example of the kind of things squids and jarheads say to each other.
vietnam 101st dec1968-dec1969…. we would set up a new guy this way: tell him to say to miller that he heard his sister was a famous olympic ice skater. so the ng walks up to miller and says: “i understand your sister is an olympic skater. that’s great man. miller: “hey man, my sister doesn’t have any legs. that’s a hellava thing to say to a guy”. also…”hey man do you have any nude pictures of your sister” .”no”. “want to buy some.”
only a eunuch can’t take it. he wasn’t cut out to be a pilot in the air force.
Exactly so.
I was in Europe, specifically Great Britain, and I got on a bus with another Marine to go to Soho, or someplace like that. These two good looking girls got on the bus right behind us. They were speaking German. I speak German (or used to, I’m awful rusty now) so my buddy asked me …
“Quick! Tell me something to say to those girls in German?!”
Well, he didn’t specify what exactly he wanted to say to them so I told him to smile real big and say —
“Guten Tag! Ich bin eine Scheisskopf!”
He repeated that to them perfectly, accent and all.
They smiled and nodded, then went back to talking between themselves.
My buddy said “That was cool, but what did I say?”
Of course what he told them was that he’s a shithead …
Don’t expect any quarter from friends and this sure as hell didn’t have anything to do with my buddy’s skin color.
Oohrah! 🙂
I’m about as white as they come. The burn and peel type without the red hair and freckles.
Yesterday while I was having the oil changed in my car, I went outside for some fresh air and the opportunity to remove the stupid mask. Up pulls a black woman in a beautiful car who was going in to schedule service. I couldn’t hear half of what she was saying to me because of her mask, but I managed to figure out that she was joyous over purchasing car parts herself and providing them to the garage for them to complete the repairs – thereby bringing her repair bill down from a couple of thousand to around 600 bucks. She was so thrilled about her move that she couldn’t restrain herself from telling me all about it. I joined in with her jubilation and we were both doing the happy dance right there in the car lot.
Just thought I’d share that with everyone as we all need to hear a good story about how we’re really not a racist country once in a while.
(9:20) Not sure I agree with Zo on the interracial portrayals being a “false flag” operation to aggravate whites, although I have noticed it seems every other commercial shows this situation. In fact, I took the other view that the media were “falsely” overdoing the mixed race “families” and social gatherings to push the integration preference. To the extent that you want to promote racial acceptance and tolerance, this might be good thing – to show it as the norm in many cases – the only flaw being if it is totally out of proportion to reality.
I then went and checked and found that 15 to 18% of marriages are mixed race as of 2017 (including about 4-5% being white and Asian couples). That was a larger value than I would have expected, but it represents another step down the slope from 100% slavery/racism in 1776 towards 0%. I suggest we are down to maybe 5% or less now, but I have lived and worked in a very pro-diversity environment for many years, so my experience might still be distorted. Also, almost no one talks about the “racialist industry” that gets money and fame for pushing discontent, “shame”, and divisiveness when it is really not there. But I bet many of the “diversity executive” positions pay very well, given the recipients may not have had a very difficult college curriculum.
“every other” lol? try 90% and if you’re an alien you would think 60% of the population is black and all white men are stupid as a bag of gummy bears.
there, i cleaned it up for yah. carry on.
I’m not sure I buy that the such a small percentage of bad people are able to make such sweeping changes and getting away with it is due to to guilt and fundamental decency. Guilt? Yeah, maybe, but it is way overblown, because generally those feeling guilty are not those who are responsible. That’s a mental disorder, and it does not come from fundamental decency, but it manifests itself in profound cowardice.
i suppose i agree. not quite sure i can say feeling guilty is a mental disorder although i’m open. if i cause an auto accident i would think my feeling of guilt would manifest pretty easily. perhaps if i would NOT have guilty feelings that could be diagnosed as a mental disorder?
I think what Maryanne is referring to is self-assigned guilt which is completely different than valid guilt. If that’s the case, then I agree with her wholeheartedly.
who determines what is ‘valid’ and what is contrived (self-assigned)? is there some sort of set rules that apply when determining this? you seem to know what both maryanne and i are thinking.
if i catch my wife cheating and she shows zero remorse does that mean she is not self-assigning, not recognizing guilt or that i should not have called her out in order to assuage her inner feelings, if any.
I would categorize self-assigned guilt as what we see with all of this virtue-signaling that is taking place. Valid guilt is doing something wrong or making an horrendous mistake that harms others in some way – and your conscience lets you know, based on your moral beliefs, that you’ve done something wrong. In the case of self-assigned guilt, you profess your guilt to satisfy an agenda.
If you catch your wife cheating and she doesn’t show any remorse, it means her conscience isn’t bothering her about her actions. Should she feel guilty? That would all depend on why she cheated. If she truly loves you and had a weak moment, I would say yes. If she doesn’t, then she’d probably either feel embarrassed at getting caught or relieved or both.
I don’t pretend to know what others are thinking, hence my use of “I think”. But I can surmise based on context.
It is really easy. If you knowingly committed some act that ends up injuring another party who did not consent to the risk, then you are responsible for the consequences and have a duty to repair the injury as much as is possible. If you did it, you own it. Having no remorse does not absolve you from responsibility/guilt.
self evident. everyone with character has a conscience.
Misplaced guilt, you know, like original sin.
It is a cognitive defect to assume guilt for something you are not responsible for. Self inflicted shame would be some type of neurosis.
Or an abusive childhood.
Clarification. Guilt over wrong doing is a good and healthy thing. It is necessary for repentance. The guilt that I was referring to as a mental disorder – and maybe that was not the best word for it – is this crazy stuff going on nowadays where folks are in despair over wrongs they never committed against people who haven’t suffered.
astounding post. the path to clarity is fraught with the pitfalls of mistakes, misdeeds and misery. no one human being can’t asuage the angst and pathos of mankind.
There is a LOT worse things in this world than “everyone” not liking you and you thinking it has to be because of your color. Maybe its just you..
You say you saw a number of comments from black service people…how do you know that is true? Wouldn’t a race hustler claim any credentials to forward their point regardless of whether its true or not? It sounds more like virtue signaling or claiming unearned victimhood. I’ve seen ‘military’ hustlers at interstate rest areas asking for support that were later revealed as having never been in the military.
i am 72. i spent three years in the army. 101st. vietnam.dec1968-dec1969. not quite sure what’s going on now (well, i know at little of course) but when i was in, the military was the consummate personal accountability personal responsibility setting. at every level…if you couldn’t perform you were passed over and/or left behind to wilt in the hot sun from the exposure of truth.
guess that’s changing.
69-70 B co, 5th Bn, 7th Cavalry, 1st Cav Div, Airmobile – Garry Owen !
In the bush we were all close. Back at the LZ people split off to their own groups. NOT from racism, but because you always gravitate to those like you, those who speak your street language, those who are like you, your personal tribe, and everyone belong to one or more. But you were all always close enough to everyone to still intermix.
i agree jim. i spent nine months in the A shau valley and never saw or heard of a racial problem. not even back at lz sally. not in 1968-69 and as you know that was when there were huge racial problems back in the states. after vietnam i spent my last year in baumholder germany and there were all kinds of racial problems there. not white on black but black on white, even black on black and black on latino.
of course that was also over 50 years ago.