Large numbers of women are sitting home alone crying because everything they were told is not working out for them. The idea that everybody can have everything they want has slammed into the reality of life. Are women ready to trade aggressive male characteristics for those that suit their true ambitions when it comes to relationships, careers and happiness.
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22 replies on “Feminism is Dead: Failure to Deliver Happiness Leaves Women Seeking More”
Bill is absolutely correct. Another aspect of this is that the church is far worse at men-bashing than the world is. Every Mother’s Day, the sermon is about how wonderful women are and how rotten men are. Every Father’s Day, the sermon is how rotten men are and how wonderful women are. Outside these holidays, you get snide cracks like, “Ladies, sometimes your husband is just an idiot.” You’d NEVER hear the other half of that truth.Since preachers, whether male or female, conservative or liberal, young or old, regardless of religion or racial background, they’re NEVER wrong, so you can’t confront them about this nonsense. (There’s a little papist attitude in ALL of them.) Men figure, “I get enough of that slop at home, at work, from the media, from the entertainment industry, from social media, and from commercials, and from the government. Why should I get up early on Sundays and hear more of that slop from somebody who should know better?”
Men are generally FAR easier to please than women… because pleasing women isn’t possible. During the years I wasn’t on active duty, I was an insurance claims adjuster. Ask ANY adjuster, male or female, and they’ll virtually all tell you that men are easier to deal with than women.ve personally communed with God. She had perfect weather, habitat, health, and a perfect body. She had perfect food to eat, water to drink, and air to breathe. She never even had a sunburn or a bad hair day. She had nothing to fear animal or insect wise. She had aliterally perfect, sinless husband who preferred to die with her than to live without her. All that STILL wasn’t enough. She STILL craved more.
The divorce rate by religious affiliation in the USA is enlightening. (The stats I’m about to quote are from divorce.com and Pew research.)
Historically Black Protestants: 19%
Evangelical Protestant 14%
Catholic (includes me) 12%
Mainline Protestant 12%
Orthodox Christian 9%
Jewish 9%
Muslim 8%
Atheist 2%
The data does not support Zo’s assertion that “more Jesus” is the solution. If so, why are atheists getting better outcomes – they have “zero Jesus”?
My sense is that other aspects of American culture is a much bigger factor in divorce compared to religion.
it is highly possible that the rate of marriages in the atheist community is much lower as well. You have to be married to get a divorce.
A gazillion years ago when I was in high school, I wore a halter top that tied at the neck and at the back. The boys were having great fun trying to untie it. When I complained to the teacher about it, she said, “If you dress like a whore, they’re going to treat you like a whore.” From a secular point of view, that’s pretty much it in a nutshell.
From a Biblical point of view, when the moral Lawgiver is removed, and man tries to manage morality on his [or her] own as we are currently doing in every aspect of society, the outcome is never good and the enemy laughs.
Bill, as a rather enthusiastic fan, citizen producer and follower since, well, since your earliest PJTV vid, don’t get me wrong, but on this one subject,
Horse….Beaten…Very Much Dead…..OK?
You’ve run this subject several TSL’s, a Backstage and now a Virtue Signal.
Ok, you’ve seen lots of these “complaining woman” videos. You’ve told us about this. Aside from being aware of something that many of the members simply can’t relate to…(swipe right or swipe left – hell, I swiped right 37 years ago and it stuck through hard work, patience , love and loyalty). I get it. Your reach is greater than just your membership. So this message will reach many more than your core followers….However, what’s the point to this subject? Those Body-Count women are not going to hear your message and if they did, it’d sound like Latin to them, they’re not going to change. Same for the body-count guys too. I understand the premise of the discussion was the observed decline of radical feminism, but the subject seems to just keep focusing on how average looking women are delusional in thinking they are going to score a handsome, wealthy, millionaire.
Members, am I just being too harpy on this one subject? All opinions valued, no matter how critical. Thanks all.
Since you asked.
Short answer – yes, you are being too harpy.
Long answer – I’ve noticed that conservatives who are in long marriages have a huge blind spot about the toxic culture in the dating / marriage market. Since “you got yours”, I understand your boredom – it doesn’t affect you. (Cue that old song, “… why can’t they be like we are, perfect in every way…..)
This topic is much more relevant to someone like me (soul crushing divorce after 16 years, blah blah blah). Bill’s topic is a sign that there is backlash brewing against some of the worst aspects the culture caused by modern feminism. A good cure for socialism is to give it to them, good and hard. This is similar – a good cure for feminism is to give it to them, good and hard.
Anyhow, 37 years together is awesome – congratulations. If you and I ever meet face to face, I’d buy you a beer.
With that, I’ll get off your comment lawn.
First- i asked for it. Really happy with your reply. You are right on with the “blind spot”. I have often wondered about my blind spots but didn’t see this one. What others do I have?
Second – points for a Paul Lynde Bye Bye Birdie reference!
Final – thanks. Ill dial back my trigger harpy and take your reply to heart.
Can I ask a question here? Would you rather have a wife that is submissive or one that submits? See, I am not submissive. I will meet you head on, argue and fight my corner. However, with my husband, regardless of my feelings, I will submit if he decides against my view. He doesn’t want to be the head of the house (see previous comment), but for me, he still will always make the final call, and that’s the end of the matter. I have learned over the years to do it with good grace, and to bite my tongue when I’m right. Which isn’t all the time: he’s often right too. Usually, in some areas, less often in others. But submissive? Not a chance. Is that unattractive or un Biblical? Do men want submissive women, or women who submit to their authority?
My take; Zo said the Biblical references regarding the marriage contract instructed the man to agree to lay down his life for his wife as he would for Christ. The woman, in 50/50 splits in major decisions, should support her husband’s decision. All of us hope to never face the former. All of us would hope that if the man is consistently making wrong choices he would learn to listen to his wife’s opinion and take it more seriously.
Culturally, the term “submission” is anathema to the modern woman’s ear. It makes the Biblical instruction seem dated. But the instruction is most likely the thing that could help modern marriage succeed where past relationships have failed.
Oh, to answer one of the questions. I married a red-headed firebrand of Irish descent who was the sole reason we didn’t have firearms in the house until she got “housebroken” going through menopause. Submissive? hahahahahaha
YOU HAD ONE JOB.
I have a young friend whose wife just left him after 9 years of marriage and 3 kids. He is a good guy working hard to support his family. The only reason she can give is “you are not making me happy”. He told her that a year from now you will be more miserable than you have ever been. She said, “I know but I’m doing it anyway.” He told me she is looking to him for what only Jesus can supply.
I agree. My wife passed just over a year ago. After her, I thought I would be a long time finding a second wife. God blessed me and her. She prayed that if God had someone out there, that He would send me quickly. She was dressed up and ready to go. The initial attraction was that we were both over 6 feet. But then, we found that we both had the qualities and attitudes we were looking for. A godly person who was putting Jesus first. Conservative. Didn’t have sex with anyone not their spouse. Not divorced; both our previous spouses had passed suddenly. Submissive. Physically fit. Etc.
All the things you talked about are seen in our lives. The choice of a second “love of a lifetime ” was easy. We met and married in 6 months. Life is good. Endure the challenges because it shows what you’re made of. It also binds the two of us together and even tighter. It prepares us for the challenges ahead because we’re committed for the long haul.
The “I’m not happy” divorce club for men. Been there, done that, I didn’t get a t-shirt though. (16 years, 3 kids)
I agree with Keith Jackson. In fact, while I agree with the points it makes about women, I was pretty annoyed by the end with Bill’s take on men. There are good men out there, but there are plenty who bought the feminism lie. From my own experience they harbour a deep resentment that they should be made to shoulder the main financial burden in the family. In my case, I got married, we were both working and building careers when shazaam…. there’s a baby. (the product was withdrawn as ineffective a year or so later) HE was the one pushing abortion and furious when I refused. He moved us across country when I was 6 months gone for a career opportunity, so I had to leave work, no maternity benefits. Created new bank accounts so that his paycheck went into a private one since I was no longer “contributing financially”, and gave me a small allowance. I constantly was under pressure to find a job, even tho child costs would have cost more than the paycheck, and anyway little kids need their mom. I did go back to work when they started school (I had two, so as not to burden an only child with aging parents later on), and suddenly I was a worthwhile person again. Built it into a full time salaried position when he decided to take a position abroad and I tried to manage two adolescent males with no father and me full time. I could see it going bad, so announced we were moving over, gave up that budding career, and despite him being upset again, and put upon, the boys were better for it, and are now successful adults. Being there, I was expected to attend receptions, etc. He’d remind me I was riding his coat tails and to keep quiet. Now I have a degree in Economics, speak 4 languages, deep knowledge of northern European Renaissance painting, and do research into the US Civil War. I know how to work a diplomatic function, to avoid controversy, network and grease the wheels. But he hated having me there because HE was the one who earned it. I didn’t deserve to be there. To this day, he only respects women who are career obsessed. He doesn’t see, or doesn’t value, the support I tried to give, the sacrifices I made, or the family I raised (he was a good father to them, because he needed to be successful at it). Any woman who doesn’t have a successful career in the workplace is a failure and waste of space. Because he was taught women can do it all, have it all. I put my babies and my husband before my career and he despises me for it. There are plenty more men like him out there. Let’s talk about THAT.
Men are simple. Often oblivious. Dominated by our desire for sexual pleasure as youths and even more so when we become powerful financially and have not obeyed God’s desire for us to have self-restraint and respect for women, most especially our wives. Which is really hard if you are viewed by attractive women as attainable even when married. I speak as a flawed man who has managed to be looking forward to my 40th anniversary.
And marriage is hard. The hardest thing you’ll ever do.
In my first post, you replied in response to my perceptions regarding men who wanted to (sleep with, be intimate together, have sex) meet women who were “liberated”. Read easy. Easy to have sex with. Often treating sex as recreational only. Often with no attachments. Many men, particularly those who were quite “successful” in this regard, sold their souls to try and stay stuck in a fantasy “summer of love”. Even when they got older. And they know what to say to seem “modern” and liberated themselves. Yeah abortion! Yeah “free love”.
They don’t learn that sex is most “recreational” in a committed marriage. But sex is not always easy either. There are a million things going through a woman’s mind, in many cases, that may keep them from enjoyment. For instance, some unGodly number of women are victims of past sexual abuse. Men may respond to unexpected, unexplained rejection with their own dysfunction, dysfunction that may disappear when in a relationship with someone acting as if they enjoy their company.
Fortunately, I can’t relate to any of the above. Wink, wink, … nod, nod.
I think combative is more accurate than complicated. I am complicated, but I support my wonderful husband at every level.
The 6x6x6 thing is not new (and in writing it that way just realized it is 666, hmmmm).
The single best backhanded compliment I ever got was in the dorm Freshman year of college. Now back then, I was a pretty fit 160# on my 5’9″ frame. I was also majoring in an engineering field that guaranteed a good if not great income to start with good potential.
A girlfriend of a guy on the dorm (6’1″ HS Basketball player, also engineering major) said the following to me one night when we were drinking (pretty much any day ending in Y back then, but since she went to a different school, probably a Fri or Sat).
If you were 3 inches taller, you’d be a stud.
Think about that.
This is 40 years ago. She was looking for fitness, income and 6′ tall. I checked 2 out of 3 boxes and was apparently ok enough to look at; but wasn’t tall enough to ride that ride; therefore, I was less than ideal. (yay!)
Oh, and to Bill’s point. She was no 10. Probably a 7. But she had her standards and they had nothing to do with the kind of Man you are, but rather the type of Male you are.
I ran into many of those over time.
Fortunately, since I wasn’t hook up material my wife and I when we met were completely simpatico on almost everything.
We are together 32 years this year!
Best compliment she gave me was fairly recently. Our daughter’s boyfriend broke up with her. She was discussing the situation with her mom when I overheard her say this.
I don’t know why Ronette dates these boys who are not real men. It’s not like she didn’t have a great example of what to find in her dad!
It got real onion coated in the air with that one and I said a prayer of thanks to my dad in heaven and my Father in Heaven.
Congrats to both Ron and Ronette.
And don’t you bring those onions in here…..oops, too late.
Same thing for me Ron. I was even shorter.
I grew up with Age of Aquarius/Gaia worshipping/Socialist leaning parents. We would go to the lake on summer weekends with big crowds of friends with similar outlooks. (Fortunately there was no real interest in mind-altering substances.) I inserted this prelude to say that after watching these people through many years, I’ve noticed that the men who felt this way have proven to be intransigent in their support of abortion, women’s rights, equity, and everything. And they’re nearly all divorced. My conclusion, which may be flawed, is that they adopted this facade in order to attract women who seek this type of man. And the power dynamic in these marriages throws off the balance and proves to be unsustainable for many of them in the long run. Interestingly, a couple of these men reacted to the split-up by taking a long break, getting on a motorcycle, and finding young feminists to “satisfy” their desires, desires they don’t recognize as unfulfilling.
Some of them don’t bother getting divorced before they do that motorcycle/girlie thing.