Gen. Michael Flynn was fired as President Trump’s National Security Advisor after admitting he lied to the FBI. Since he’s rescinded his guilty plea, and the Department of Justice asked a judge to drop the case against him, should a fired liar be back in at the Trump White House?
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26 replies on “Flynn Back In: Should Fired Confessed Liar Return to Trump White House?”
A common tactic by U.S. Attorney’s when their case is weak – or non-existent – is to threaten the person with the maximum possible sentence available if that person refuses to plead to a lesser charge. When the case is especially weak (as with the Martha Stewart case), they will offer a light sentence in return for pleading guilty to a charge of lying.
Also, prosecutors will threaten to charge a family member such as a spouse (Roger Stone’s wife, for example) or, as in Flynn’s case, his son. What man wouldn’t so plead in order to save his loved one the same hell he had been put through, not even to mention the added hundreds of thousands or millions in addition legal costs?
Many prosecutors are concerned with keeping their “conviction stats” high, so they will do this to avoid the possibility of losing a case. Also, some U.S. Attorneys have been heard stating they didn’t care if they got a conviction, that it would be enough to bankrupt, to pauperize the defendant.
I was a San Diego police officer and have knowledge of several such cases, plus stories related by other law enforcement officers. I have little doubt that Gen. Flynn plead guilty to lying only to protect his son and perhaps also to avoid leaving his wife destitute, or deeply in debt with legal costs.
I meant to add that it was a cheap shot to describe Flynn as a “fired liar”. Whoever wrote that needs to feel some shame, if that is possible for them. If you were told you had to admit to lying or have a loved one suffer the “tender mercies” of the prosecutors, wouldn’t _you_ do so? Or are you a Trump-hater, and have convicted Flynn in your own mind because of his ties to Trump?
Has the judge signed off on the DOJ dropping charges yet?
No. In fact this judge has asked for ‘friends of the court’ briefs to be submitted which is not normally done in criminal cases of this nature. It seems the Judge is not neutral…to put it mildly.
Not thumbing down your remark, just the info within. Damn commie judges and legislators and governors gotta go!
Thank you dan, I see you agree that the Judet is not fair. I feel your pain and agree. WE can vote our the legislators…and then they cannot appoint these ‘commie’ judges. All we need to do is get a majority to see what is happening! cheers
…sorry, bad editor…”vote OUT the legislators…”
I take no pride whatsoever in noting that I did not serve in the US armed forces nor has anyone in my family; I understand that my opinion is not based on personal experience.
Having said that I question Bill’s assertion that all military people have the integrity and honesty that he imputes to them. Granted the vast majority of them do but there are glaring exceptions.
It is still horrific that no one came forward to tell the truth about Benghazi. The same criticism of those with knowledge of Fast and Furious, the IRS political war on conservatives, Clinton’s many crimes, and other similar.
In many cases those with knowledge were probably active in suppressing the truth.
Sad.
Well done, Bill.
Bravo Zulu.
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Flynn indeed was the first casualty of the Obama administration corruption left in place to damage PDT. If allowed to stand, this could very well encourage all subsequent abuses. In past administrations, there unwritten rules to not target former administration officials while getting ahead in setting the tone and agenda for the incoming administration. This disappeared with Obama with the IRS scandals of 501c3’s, the ATF scandal of gun running, the scandals of the consumer trade commission, encouragement of illegal acts that included civil disobedience and active violent demonstrations, and the corruption throughout the FBI and DOJ. This doesn’t even include the scandals launched through military personnel to sabatog this admin.
Right on, Bill! A perjury trap is much like entrapment tactics used to arrest prostitutes and “clients”. The best definition of a politician I can think of was when New York magazine, later repeated by the American Thinker, published an article that “Bill Clinton’s an Unusually Good Liar.” Flynn; not so much. There used to be a great video (the link which has since been banned on the “tube of record”) titled “Don’t talk to the police even when you’re innocent.” If any person speaks under oath to any agent of the state, those words can and will be used against them in court. Why are people so gullible as to think they can speak under oath and not expect flimflamming, ham sandwich-indicting Obama holdovers from twisting contradictory statements into an indictment? Flynn’s failure was opening his mouth under oath, which he now compounded by saying he lied about lying (do two lies make a truth?). For a warrior, the “duress” defense sounds hollow. The Fifth Amendment (“nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself”) protects anyone from having to testify against themself; period. Not testifying is NOT an admission of guilt! No court should be allowed to impose a “waiver” clause on a witness once they speak and choose to speak no further; for any reason! Lois Lerner’s decision to speak no further after she claimed she broke no laws does not cause her Fifth Amendment right to expire. She was protected by the Fifth Amendment because all she got was a strongly-worded letter of contempt from Congress. Otherwise, our court rooms, House committees and star chambers would be outfitted with waterboards. So, you can either push back or lay down and submit.
VP Mike Pence did fire Flynn for lying. I haven’t heard from the VP. Anyone?
There are several points I want to make on this. I was a peace officer in CA for a number of years, it was not illegal to lie to us and it should not be a crime to lie to the FBI. I’m sorry, but it is your right under the constitution not to incriminate yourself under the fifth amendment. If you are under oath that is different, but then you know you can plead the fifth.
Second, the FBI does not record their interviews and they don’t even necessarily make notes at the time of the interview. Remember Comey came out of the White House after his meeting with Trump and then wrote notes to himself. In any set of notes, it is possible to simply change them if you wish to a different outcome. We found out that the 302’s on General Flynn were changed long after they were written to serve someones narrative. The original said the agents did not think he lied.
The law making it a crime to lie to the FBI needs to be taken off the books. When they are not required to take immediate notes or record their interviews, it is always going to be who you gonna believe me an FBI agent or this dirt-bag crook I arrested.
The last thing is that the FBI needs to enter the 21st century and record all interviews, even if it is just with a cell phone or body cam. It is just not right that they can say that you said XXX on something then just say you said something different..
My two cents, well maybe more like a dollar.
Former San Diego PD, plus over ten years with CHP, and I agree completely.
Director, FBI.
I believe that agents are needed in McMurdo Sound & Thule.
DNI when Grennel leaves.
How about make him WH Chief of Staff so that everything has to go through him?
I would greatly disagree with Scott that the Flynn case was COMPLICATED. I t was at is Core a set-up to entrap the General in some type of LIE. The FBI in their notes of the White House meeting where the General had no Counsel present to advise him wrote down their thoughts on his supposed misdeeds.. Thew FBI had the transcript of the telephone and were waiting, WAITING to pounce.
In their 302 form, they clearly wrote that they believed that General Flynn was not LYING, period. They were out for blood and that BLOOID LUST became as far back as 2014.
General Flynn was a part of the Obama administration as Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency. He KNEW where Obama and his Gaggle of sycophantic gaslighting anti-Americans were hiding a lot of the misdeeds to be polite that were occurring during Obama’s 8 years in Office. Such exposure would completely destroy the Obama administration LEGACY that was building even though it was under a dark cloud of deception, deceit and Misinformation. The TRUTH shall set you FREE and the Obama administration could not nor would not allow THE TRUTH to see the Light of day.
Obama’s mission became the downfall of General Flynn regardless of the costs both intended and unintended. SPYING, Falsehoods, Lies and the kitchen sink if needed were very acceptable options that would be used to put General Flynn behind bars for A Crime (s) he NEVER committed.
It was the LEGACY, Stupid to paraphrase from the Clinton campaign of 1992.
Like a Chinese torture of water dripping on the forehead, real reporting from REAL Journalist not a part of the FakeNEWS began to INVESTIGATE. For the past 6 years the information began to come out slowly but continually bringing LIGHT to the darkness created by Obama and his administration. With the introduction of the Inspector Generals Report and the ABUNDANCE of additional and VERY verifiable information especially those in the footnotes, FACTS, finally lead to the dropping of the Flynn case by the Department of Justice under AG Barr.
Like the iceberg that sunk the Titanic, there is still a plethora of information out there that Mr. Durham is wrapping up his criminal investigation to the number of HOAXES and maybe even Treasonous actions taken against American citizens including the President of the United States. From low level individuals rising possibly to the 44th President of the United State, THE TRUTH is coming out. General Flynn was entrapped, the Obama administration used government Law enforcement Agencies including the FBI & Justice along with the CIA to entrap not just Mike Flynn BUT many others including Manafort and Stone where one is in jail and the other going to jail; on charges that were NEVER related to the Trump Russian made up HOAX
WILL? Lady Justice soon do JUSTICE?
WHAT? can We, the People do? The answer is OBVIOUS, it is called the VOTE.
I have yet to listen to Scott speak on anything to do with Trump where he did not make statements supporting his dislike for the man. I’ll certainly defend his right to do so, but I will not respect his statements, nor will I believe they are true, knowing they are colored by his personal dislike for the man.
Even though it was a perjury trap , I’m not sure it was actually perjury which implies in court and under oath. He was charged with ‘lying to the FBI’ for misremembering something during what he imagined was a casual conversation with colleagues in his own office.
Judging by my feelings on the matter, not only should Flynn be reinstated, the entire wealth of those guilty of the injustice should be transferred to Flynn and the perpetrators should be condemned to a life time of hard labor in the worst possible environmental conditions. In other words, do to them what they have done to Flynn but do it in full measure.
Legally and rationally, they should be provided with full due process, a fair trial based upon actual evidence, and be subject to the fullest justice permitted by law. This in the full context of their total violation of their oath of office, their violation of Flynn’s constitutional rights, and their malicious misuse of their power of office. Their so called intent is irrelevant! Their actions are a total affront to the founding principles that make America, America.
AMEN!
Personally I would be in favor of an eye for an eye in cases where someone intentionally falsely accuses. In the case where someone intentionally frames they should get the sentence the object of their frame job would have got.
Under Talmudic (Jewish religious) law, a person who bore false witness was subject to the same penalty the accused would have gotten had the false testimony been believed. I think that’s a good place to start.
I think at the very least, they should be personally responsible for Flynn’s legal fees and other expenses incurred as a result of this prosecution.