Whenever I insist that this election was stolen and cite all the evidence, some people just scoff at me and dismiss my claims. “So are you saying thousands and thousands of people across the country including governors, election officials, mayors, and citizens were in on it and aren’t saying anything? Why isn’t someone involved in this fraud saying something, no one can keep a secret! Thousands of people would have to be involved and that’s far fetched!”
My response is just merely, yes, yes a lot of people were involved and are staying tight lipped about it. And then they just scoff at me again and say “no one can keep a secret like that”. I then tell them I saw it happen with my own eyes on election night, listened to every single election fraud hearing in the states, saw statistical evidence, saw videos of people doing the fraud, etc. and they just roll their eyes at me.
So how would I completely destroy their ridiculous argument to at least get these people to think? What specifically should I say?
14 replies on “I need a good solid rebuttal…Help please?”
Keep what secret? They’re basically saying outright, “Yeah, we stole it. What are you gonna do about it?”
Realize that you aren’t going to convince the completely brainwashed. What you’re trying to do is to ensure that onlookers who aren’t convinced yet that the leftists aren’t completely truthful and honest, and that they’re at the very least willfully refusing to look at the voluminous evidence that’s freely available about the blatant theft of the presidential election and the GA senatorial elections.
It’s important to note that the steal didn’t require “thousands” of people to be in on it. It only required a few dozen.
It did require thousands of gutless cowards to back down from standing up to those who were in on it.
The cases brought to court weren’t dismissed based on the evidence. The vast majority never examined the evidence. They were dismissed on procedural grounds or for “lack of standing”, which is a call by the judge prior to even looking at any evidence.
BillWhittleFan89’s point about straw man logical fallacies is a great one. Most people don’t think logically. Most people take decisions based on how they feel about things. The more intense the feeling, the more true and real the belief. It is only later that they process something with reason and logic, if they ever do at all.
You should familiarize yourself with logical fallacies. This is a terrific online resource for understanding and identifying them as they arise in conversations: https://www.nizkor.org/fallacies/
You must refuse to argue based on a logical fallacy. You cannot win such an argument, because it’s not based in fact or logic. It’s typically an appeal to emotion or simply an attack on the validity of the messenger, which ignores the validity of the message.
Good luck.
Thanks everyone! This is all great ammo to have! I can’t believe I even have to get into it with people that are either too lazy or too stupid to verify information that is readily available.
All of human knowledge is at our finger tips, and most people still can’t be bothered to type a few characters and perform a basic search.
My suggestion would be to ask them . . .
“After watching Joe Biden in the primaries, barely seeing him campaign for his own election, can you honestly stand there and tell me you believe Joe Biden got more votes than Hillary in 2016 and Obama both times?”
Really?
You answer is that “No, thousands and thousands of people across the country including governors, election officials, mayors, and citizens were not actively working together. There was no massive conspiracy; lay off the strawman arguments. There was a harmonic convergence of numerous bad faith actors in various states who have a long long history of fraudulent elections (most notably Philadelphia and Chicago) and who all individually shared the common goal of defeating Donald Trump. That’s why you have hundreds of thousands of ballots with no down-ballot votes cast, despite this being statistically less likely than winning the lottery. That’s why you have numerous activist organizations filing lawsuits to allow earlier and earlier voting every year. And that’s why you have a political party in this country that is outright hostile to the requirement of voter id. A requirement that we have no problem with in every other facet of life; to buy alcohol, you have to have id; to board an airplane, you have to have id; to merely enter a federal building, you have to have id; is it any wonder why having identification to vote in a national election is somehow RACIST AND EXTREME, but not anyplace else?”
It might not have taken as many people as you think. We’re talking four swing states plus one or two more – despite there probably being the usual kind and amount of fraud in the others, their results were easily predictable and don’t matter to this issue.
So how many election officials in just six states would it take? Not thousands.
In about 2 months you will have a Rebuttal.
The Charges, Alleged or Proven are out there already.
In about 2 months the people who have heard the Charges but don’t want to believe them will begin to see Joe Biden’s policies coming into force without the Miasma that has built up around Trump to cloud their vision.
Then they may just want to realize Biden did not have to be President, and should not have been sworn into office.
What counts as solid rebuttal? To the quote I’d just say “yeah, that is exactly what I am saying, it was an organized effort involving hundreds, probably thousands of people at different levels from random activists to SoS of GA. And several hundreds of people did say about it, both in hearings and written testimonies under oath and subject to jail time for perjury.”
If you want documents, the materials linked to the texas case on scotus have lots of references, you can DL tem from the docket.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/22o155.html
That sounds like a perfect rebuttal. Short, to the point and easily understandable even by progressives.
Good rebuttal, but I doubt they will look at said documents, video, etc. They are lazy (generally speaking) and want just the headlines or someone else to tell them what to believe. Give them the “talking points”.
There were thousands of signed affidavits of people stating/swearing that they witnessed illegal activity in the November General election. That it is not shown on legacy media shouldn’t be a surprise, they were the people who spouted Russia, Russia, Russia for two years plus only to find that it was based on one document of questionable origin and no evidence of illegal activity.
No matter your arguments, there will likely be some who won’t believe you because they have decided otherwise and changing their minds would entail admitting that Trump was very popular among voters and that he should be POTUS.
Easy, not that many people actually have to be involved in the fraud. It doesn’t take thousands and thousands. A handful of corrupt election officials in coordination with a handful of dishonest election officials could quite easily introduce large numbers of illegitimate ballots into the system. The dozens of people who actually process the ballots aren’t going to know that one box they are given is legit and the next is not. They are just going to process the ballots given to them. How many people actually verify the chain of custody? They count; everyone else is irrelevant.
But if that argument doesn’t take, then ask them how many people they know that think it was a moral imperative to get rid of Trump. How many think that he is such an aberration that he can’t possibly be allowed to remain president. How many more people like that are there in the bluest of blue cities? If you believe that, would you be willing to look the other way and not notice anything suspicious or just make believe that this is normal. Would you allow fraud to happen (especially if you only had to look the other way and not get your hands dirty)? I think you can find plenty of people who would.
Then there’s the nuclear version of this argument: the Holocaust could not have possibly happened because thousands and thousands of every day Germans would have to have gone along with the murder of millions of people. I don’t suggest you try this one since you will only make your friends mad, but I think there is something to the analogy.
And finally, hundreds of people have come forward with signed affidavits alleging, you know, fraud. We even saw with our own eyes if not proof at least highly suspect behavior of vote counters in Georgia. People are talking about this; they were just brushed off and ignored. The ‘secret’ is out, but it is just suppressed.
Most people didn’t spend the hours you and I did watching the hearings, they rely on mainstream media to give them the news. So they are clueless and as a result can’t believe that such a thing could be covered up. Well, you and I along with millions of other people know that the election had significant fraud, but they’ll never believe it because they are clueless. Sadly more than half of this country doesn’t know what’s really going on. I remember back to when I was in the working world (retired now). I didn’t have time to watch the details of what was going on in this country, and had to rely on the news to tell me what was going on. Was it real then, I honestly don’t know now. With such a lack of real journalism these days, who’s to know what’s real unless you do your own digging. Most people either don’t have the time or won’t take the time to do it.