A professor writes on the choice between enduring human suffering and an immediate global extinction event from, say, a massive meteor impact on Earth. He chooses the latter. Bill Whittle chooses life.
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I’m reminded of the classic Dave Barry column about his colonoscopy. Sorry for your pain! Nevertheless, great takeoff on the CS Lewis work.
I am gonna go out on a limb and say this man does not know GOD nor does he have any hope.
No, I have not given birth, but I have fought depression and anxiety most of my life. I have undergone 4 heart surgeries from the time I was 7 weeks old until I was 15. And back in the 70s, they didn’t think children needed their family with them in the hospital. There was also the question on whether or not babies felt pain. I have had migraine headaches since I was 8 and I told my mother as a teen to just shoot me.
It is true that I will do what I can to avoid pain. And, yes, I do at times quote the Counting Crows, Round Here… she says she’s tired of life, she must be tired of something…
BUT, no matter what, I have and I still hang on to the sliver of hope. I know the LORD is good. This too shall pass and I will hang on.
Good thing this guy doesn’t have to give birth. That is lingering pain for hours. It has been said that if males (not Men) had to give birth the planet would be barren. What a slap in the face to his mother and his wife.
Mr Angst,
The stores are full of rope and the woods are full of trees. There is no need for you to suffer a second longer.
Sounds like Mr. Crisp should extinct himself as he’s so miserable thinking about the continuation of life.
I was all prepared to comment on how we should allow Mr. Crisp to be the first to “voluntarily extinct” himself when Bill started talking about his experiences with a kidney stone.
And I had a sensory flash-back to when I was 17, and sustained 3rd and 4th degree burns to 77% of my back.
I suppose it’s a credit to Bill’s vivid description of the pain, because I found myself sweating and gasping for air at the memory of my pain.
I yanked my earpiece from my ear and stopped the video. Not sure I’ll finish it. Need a break.
Why should this imbecile wait for the asteroid? Just do it now “sir.” Take that drug, pull that trigger, make the jump, play in traffic, and don’t let the door hit you in the ass as you shuffle off this mortal coil all by yourself. P.S. Have a nice day!
Not only would Crisp (and others like him) “void his hypothesis” when confronted with the immediacy of a bullet to his brain pan; he would void his bladder at the mere thought of his pending death.
While listening, I was thinking there’s no possible way that guy could even consider such an idea if he has kids. But no, according to Wiki, Roger Crisp is married with two daughters. Dude, you’re obviously worrying about preventing the wrong suffering. Good grief; there isn’t enough therapy on the planet to heal those poor kids.
Clearly Crisp needs way more Godly love poured into his heart and way less human pride polluting his mind. He voices the attitude of all the epically arrogant masterminds currently yanking our global chains. Their ‘enlightened’ thinking is no longer that God is dead, they have convinced themselves that God got it wrong and they can design it better. May the Good Lord have mercy on our faithful and humble souls.
I just happened to come across this article about a manuscript of Viktor Frankl’s that was recently discovered and translated to English… It is a better answer to Crisp than anything else… Choose Life… even in a concentration camp…
https://www.aish.com/ci/s/Yes-to-Life-In-Spite-of-Everything-Viktor-Frankls-Re-Discovered-Manuscript.html?s=mpw
That was beautiful. Thank you.
I have argued with these people in their own conference in Australia, about 23 years ago, they are very burned out socialists who are reacting to the fact that socialism does not work and realty keeps hitting them in their face. Unwilling to change their political views they declare, that because socialism does not deliver the good things they want, those good things are both impossible and undesirable.
In one lecture they argued that green house effect would make the 2020 goals of the UN poverty eradication program were impossible. Those UN Goals were met in 2017! They made other prediction all of which failed.
I agued we had lots of options: improved agriculture including hydroponics and green house cultivation; space colonization; Resource shifting. They were lamenting the shortage of nickel for Ni/ cad car batteries I talked about lithium and zinc and iron air batteries. That’s resource shifting. I was shouted down but not as much as I expected. They clearly had not heard these options or ideas.
Most were biologists so had no clue what a Ni/ cad car battery was. They had no grasp of or trust in technology or the free market. When someone talked about the CITEs list of endangered species and I pointed out only one had gone extinct the rest that left the list were off the list because they were no longer endangered. Heads exploded across the room.
One academic that had mistaken it for a real scientific conferences talked about poverty related successes in the country of New Caledonia but when she got to the point of noting that the successes were in Christian villages and the failures were in tribal pagan villages the conference exploded and she was forced to end early in tears.
The British professors writing is identical to the works of those that I argued with way back around 1998. Its how a burned out biology or philosophy professor writes a suicide note.
Now it is considered “brave” to brag about how brave you aren’t
And hey, that final observation about the bullet … says it all.
I’ve said in the past, “I remember THAT is was BAD, but I don’t remember how bad it was.”
I remember where it was on the scale, but I don’t remember the actual pain in all of its intensity.
“Given the amount of suffering on Earth, the value of the continued existence of the planet is an open question.”
The value to whom?
To people who have issues making basic moral calls, I question their notion of “value” to begin with. After all, “value” is a measure along the scale of “goodness”, and if nobody is allowed to judge what it “good” because everything is a social construct anyway, and social constructs are arbitrary and every society is equal (except ours, which of course must be abolished immediately …)
On the other hand, to those who really feel this way, there is a simple solution. Find the nearest exit and leave it to those of us who do value it.
“Given the amount of suffering on Earth, the value of the continued existence of the planet is an open question.”
Such arrogance. To think that that decision is to be made for so many who aren’t him … by him.
We try to make boys into girls
and girls into boys
until neither knows
what they are supposed to be
confusing one into the other
breeding out
the virtues of both
leaving only the vices
in distorted shells
that look like neither
But if they don’t have chests, how can they be ‘chest feeders’?
I should have become a member long ago. I became a 1 year member tonight just to make a comment on this video. To preface my comment question and anecdotes, I am a retired MD Grad from USC 1984. Dr Drew’s classmate. Back when LA was a nice place to live. Eventually became a Board Certified Anesthesiologist in the USAF. I paid of my education debt while stationed at the USAir Force Academy Hospital in Colorado Springs,CO. Tough Duty, I realize. After Gulf War 1, I went into private practice.
Humorous Question: When you woke up with an oral surgeon on your chest trying to break your “wisdom tooth” in half with medieval tools so he could extract it. Did you ever hear him comment in a German accent, “Is It Safe?” Just Curious?
I got a kidney stone just after taking my two Sons to a Top Fuel Drag Race in Denver. I believe the indescribable vibrational power of Top Fuel engines being launched broke a Kidney Stone loose. Similar story. Lots of Pain. Even though I knew what it was, my Doctor brain is telling me, this is it. I may have a ruptured Aortic Aneurysm. “I’m comin’, Wheezy(sp)” A classic Redd Foxx line. When they’ve given you enough narcotics that you throw up? That’s about all the pain relief you’re going to get.
Interestingly, one learns early on about the pain relieving effects of narcotics and roughly where that pain perception occurs in the body. If you’ve finally relieved the severe pain of a potentially mortally injured patient. Then you may ask them “do you still hurt”? They will quickly say Yes. Absolutely. But it just doesn’t bother me as much. Run that through your brain box and you will see how profound that statement is.
I have used a lot of powerful narcotics to relieve pain in people. Surgery did not exist until Anesthsia was developed. Surgeons are often jerks and hate it when they piss me off and I point that out to them. I told them I would be more than happy to paralyze them when they need Coronary Bypass surgery without using any Anesthesia. Not quite the same thing as a Civil War amputation, is it?
With people in severe pain, as you describe. When you give them a real narcotic, I am convinced they look at me and others and see us as Angels or God for a few seconds.You may actually feel that emotionally for a few seconds. Trust me. We are not.They forget all about it after the surgery if they survive. So no bloated ego here.
Honestly, it’s very hard on me emotionally and psychologically to see people in severe, agonizing pain. I absolutely hated my month at LA County Hospital in the OB-GYN unit. Women screaming “bloody murder” and the bloody, urine and s**t filled scene corroborated their screaming. Nurses and other Doctors would say to me, it’s such a wonderful experience watching a new baby being brought into the world. I had zero, Nada, nothing of that experience. Plus, there were two patients trying to die in my care, instead of one. No thanks.
Everybody thought I was such a young looking fresh faced young man that I should become a Pediatrician. Strap a 1-6 month old baby down on a papoose board. Use your imagination. It looks like a mini S&M apparatus. At 3-4 in the morning after no sleep for 24-36 hours. Because nobody can get an IV started in this tremendously dehydrated infant. Did I have training and experience under careful supervision? Absolutely not. So you spend a couple of hours trying to get a 28 gauge catheter in a vein while listening to them scream. Screaming in Agony. Not crying. Blood curdling screams about as loud as if I was sawing off their limbs with a “sharp” hacksaw from Harbor Freight Tools.
As an Anesthesiologist, I could fix that in 5 seconds. And that does make you feel like God for a few seconds. That’s why I chose that specialty. None of that BS like, here’s some Ibuprofen and tell me how you’re doing in a week.
My first exposure to that feeling was as a medical student on my 2nd clinical rotation in urology. Patients came into LA County Hospital and we’re screened and triaged to our unit for urological problems. A common problem was an older man who didn’t know he had Prostatic hypertrophy whose urethra had been squeezed shut for 3 days up to a week. Basically, they hadn’t pissed for for 3 days or more. They were definitely in an agonizing pain that is particular unique character to that situation. It was my 3rd year of Med school and I knew what needed to be done but no clue how to do it. The Resident casually talked to me and the intern and said that after we had finished the procedure involving tiny pointed catheters. Slowly dilating up and up until we got up to a size that was hollow and started draining the bladder. The resident said to us. Watch his eyes. After you relieve him of that horrible pain he will look at you like a God. He was right. Actually, you must be cautious to not empty the bladder completely at once. It could cause hemodynamic instability. So we would empty the bladder urine in increments over time. To allow his cardiovascular system to stabilize slowly.
Sorry for the long comment. But what you were talking is right in my Wheelhouse. And we’re both pilots and love Aviation.
I have had many experiences with great pain, some short and some not so short. I, like Bill it seems, get no relief from any over the counter pain meds. I was on 8mg of hydromorfone 3 times a day for back pains a few years ago and quit them because it was not helping. Finally a couple of shots directly into my spine did the trick for a short time. Just weeks after the shots, I was thrown from a 35,000 lb forklift into a ditch at about 30 mph, landing directly on that same back and my head. (forklift failure) After hours in a level one trauma unit at the University of Tennessee, they assured that I had not sustained a concussion and no broken bones, less of course the 4 crushed vertebra I already had. It is good to be hard headed and have strong bones at 73. Oh did i mention is was the day before my birthday.
So now, about one year later I am having severe and continuing back issues. My neurosurgeon says I will be in a wheel chair in two years if I don’t get the back operated on. Fuse two vertebra and pins and screws in two more. I still work every day and need to lift and bend, etc. I will not even be able to drive for two weeks after the surgery and not lift over 5 pounds for about a month. So now I worry about how to make a living during this time.
But, guess what, I will have the back operated on and try to get better. I won’t give up. In nearly every given circustance, life is worth living.
As Dr. Jordan Peterson says, “Life is suffering.” But we enjoy it and endure it because we want it.
Best of luck to all.
Poor Mr. Crisp should spend a year without electricity to keep him out of danger of torture by electrocution. Since burns and torture by fire are also exceedingly painful, that same year should be spent without access to combustion of any kind.
Void is Hypothesis among other things…
Museum Grade…. Bill you had me rolling!
Bill, I am 9 years younger than you and I bet in poorer shape, but I would gladly be a the point of the spear to keep us from going backwards into some elitist wet dream of Utopia. I will face whatever I have to to keep Your child Daladen among the billions of future kind the chance to experience freedom. To know joy and pain alike and hopefully have little ones of their own.
One last point. Jesus supposedly has suffered all the pain and joy in the history of the world so we may live…Now that is a Man With A Chest!
I think a large factor in this type of writing is dishonesty. The author doesn’t know whether agony will hit him a minute from now or whether it will wait 20 years, but he does have the power to make sure it never hits. He could take his own life, but he hasn’t. He’s still here. There’s a guy I know, grievously wounded in Viet Nam, enduring a horrendous number of surgeries to put him back together sort of, but minus his legs. He talks about living in “the bullseye of euthanasia.” He says any time he has to go in the hospital, he has to wonder whether someone will “take pity” on him, and that will be the day he doesn’t come out. Courage and honesty – a wonderful combination. That author? Not so much.
If the earth is destroyed it won’t be because of an asteroid. It will be because of idiotic, soulless, evil men like this. “This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live.: Deut. 30:19
I had gallstones and I know the feeling. Three days in the hospital some surgery and I was good as new with the week. Mr. Crisp is a sociopath why thinks he has some great intellect. He is not. As For Bill Gates and Zuckerberg, they would want us to end our lives before God plans for us to leave this mortal coil, but they sure as hell would not. Guys like Crips have been with us since we came to be, and history is loaded with them too. The Leins, the Stalins, the Adolf’s, and every other mast murderer that has ever been. It never surprised me that just moral light weights end up in academia.
While I’ve never been shocked to that degree, I have suffered that type of pain. I had an adverse reaction to some medication, and had to deal with that feeling of having my bones breaking for 10 hours straight… twice. I too, have had a kidney stone, and have had multiple infected teeth that dropped me to the ground in tears. I’m not immune to pain, but I know I can take a lot more that what he’s theorizing. I’m sure the worst this “scientist” has ever suffered is a papercut. Pathetic.
It seems that using youtube to send people to this site and/or rumble is working. I normally do not see this much engagement this quickly.
The only minor bummer from the youtube link experiment I am seeing is that some people on youtube are not getting the fact that Bill is trolling by wearing the mask.
Just another sociopath claiming to be a great mind. Oblivian is never a solution to a short-term problem.
I’m not going to lie…I’d be tempted to let the asteroid through, but for entirely different reasons…and also after constructing a large space ship and putting two of every species on it.
never forget…these are the same people that kill their unborn children. it’s what they do.
What a miserable human being. I have one thing to say to him: NO…..SHUT UP!!!
I’m glad Jesus disagreed with Prof. Crisp when he endured a bit more than an hour of significant torture to prevent the extinction of sinful humans throughout history and into the future.
I too have had kidney stones. Several times. Intense pain does not do it justice. I would gladly bear it for time with my granddaughter. Dear Professor Crisp: kindly do us all a favor. Yep, that kind of favor.
Second thing that came to mind: I’ve had three kidney stones. For the first one, I did not recognize what it was until the second one. It was over in a minute. Seemed like hours though. When the second one came a month or so later, I thought “Here it goes again.” It didn’t stop. It went in waves, between being in a fetal position with so much pain I couldn’t scream, and waves where I could voluntarily refrain from screaming. I managed to drive to the hospital (about 1 1/2 miles away). Barely got into the emergency room. During one of lesser waves, they asked “On a scale of one to ten, with ten being the worst pain you’ve ever felt, how would you rate this pain?” I said : “Can I say thirteen?” It reset my pain scale. They put me in meds, scanned it, and did a lithotrypsy: used ultrasonic to bust it into small chunks that then passed. At the time, there were only 3 such machines in the U S. It was not going anywhere elsewise. 25 millimeters (about an inch) by 14 millimeters by 8 millimeters. As to child birth being painful, yes, but some women would do it again. I know No one who wants another kidney stone. I knew two women who had both painful child births an kidney stones and both said the stones were much worse. And with one you get a baby. With the other, you get something that looks like a piece of concrete. And you wonder how something that small can cause that much pain.
Ditto my friend on all counts. Mine were uric acid stones and I was able to eliminate them with diet and drinking copious amounts of water. Here’s to medical science.
Yes, after my story below, I switched from Diet Coke to H20. When I got a house on well water with high mineral content, got a water softener.
That is a big stone. When I was working my first job, an older co-worker was out one day. I was told he was home passing a kidney stone. I was young and didn’t know how bad this was. The next day he came in with a little box. Inside the box were seven (7!) stones that he had passed over his life, including the one from the day before. (Have I mentioned before that I am an engineer and we are weird?)
I looked at them under a microscope, Bill’s photo doesn’t do it justice. To me it looks like a bottlecap that has been crushed with all the jagged points sticking out.
Stop being redundant! Engineer and weird are the same thing!. So is being a computer programmer and weird. 😀 (Chemical Engineering degree and did it for 3 years. Computer programmer for over 20 years. So I know of what I speak.)
Bill needs to open up and express what’s on his mind. Holding things in is unhealthy.
( LOL! )
Yes, indeed.
actually , if you have followed him for decades you know bill DOES hold back. i suppose there is the idea that marriage has softened him up so perhaps you were correct.
First thing I thought of: Is he still alive? If yes, he Is a hypocrite and / or a coward and /or the ultimate murderer. Kill everyone is fine with him. When i run across things like this I always say: “You first. Show us how.” No takers so far.
Suffering is the point of life. In suffering we find purpose. In the deepest, darkest, pit of despair, our light shines brightest.
“This little light of mine, I’m gonna let it shine”
All glory to God the Father.
“There is a tide in the affairs of men, Which taken at the flood, leads on to fortune. Omitted, all the voyage of their life is bound in shallows and in miseries. On such a full sea are we now afloat. And we must take the current when it serves, or lose our ventures.”
William Shakespeare
Professor Von Drake reminds me of all the people who support abortion. They never stop to consider their own existence depended upon their mothers holding the opposite view.
Brilliant Bill. Absolutely brilliant,brilliant,brilliant.
Awesome. I like this unfiltered Bill Whittle. Screw Youtube.
Have u ever had a severe migraine? Or ask a mother, excuse me I think it breast-feeding person …wtf! IT Is a MOTHER a WOMAN any way ask a woman after 10 or more hours of child birth if she’d do it again? After she sees that little baby she pretty much always says yes. Anyway, this guy must not have any kids bcause he’d never do this to any child he loved.
My wife is suffering right now from three migraines in the last 12 hours. She is not allowed to take any medicine for it because surgery is pending next week. Professor Eunuch can do us all a big favor by practicing what he preaches and put himself out of our misery.
These professors could end their own suffering, as well as ours for have heard their insane drivel, in hundreds of painless ways. Hell, I’d help them. Yes, it would cost me my freedom and perhaps my own life. But, the reward for the rest of humanity would be worth it by thousands of times. Here’s my final point, without pain and suffering, how will you recognize the good in the world.
Is that prof for realz or just a carefully crafted strawman? Even in this age hard to accept such deep stupidity is not just around but holds teaching pos.
Also, I was tinking about that thought experiment. It’s phrased way too harsh — just kill all life on earth leaves only the nutjobs with real decisions. However it could be tuned down to make some real interesting moral dilemma.
I.e it would only wipe humans leaving all the rest. Or almost all humans by random. Or not so random, starting with anti-life folks like that prof.
Those who read the Bible could match with some events there, maybe a restart from better stock is actually overdue.
We pass around that idea about all human life is equal — while I’m not aware of any real person actually agreeing with it. (I think Prager had at least one episode on that thought pointing out how ridiculous it is.) This leads that we carry all the weeds around and even breed them with all those “social” programs without ever thinking the consequences.
While we know that most bioms without mechanism of internal cleaning end up like that “rat utopia” demonstrated in another episode months ago.
Fear can only control you if you let it. Be eternally grateful the human body doesn’t remember pain. You remember going thru it, but not the actual pain itself. BTW Bill, Fentanyl is pretty good stuff also, but I think 5mg is the maximum safe dose. I was given 0.25mg in the hospital and all my cares went away.
Anyone who lets fear control their life is a coward. A healthy respect for fear is a good thing, but as long as we have some control over our exposure to dangerous situations and surroundings, we can control our fear. I do not fear death because it comes to all of us one way or another and we can have some say as to when it comes by how we live our lives. This Covid thing is just another way to die, but it’s not going to be a major concern to me because there are many other ways available.
To me, suicide is never an option and I don’t understand how a person would even consider it. Nothing can be so seriously wrong to take your own life except matters of national security when a POW. Even then, only extreme torture would make me do it.
I think I’ve rambled enough now.
Nothing can be so wrong? Some people have terminal cancer that has similar effect as Bill’s kidney stone. Without the chance of getting rid of it. And many other examples can be constructed. Feel yourself lucky they are so not around you to lack even imagination.
I have been diagnosed with terminal cancer. I still have no fear of death more than wishing it wouldn’t happen, but am resigned to whatever happens. The hardest part is waiting for it to begin and how painful it will be. I pray the Lord shows me some mercy.
We also pray for you. Especially that you be able finish your life in dignity, avoiding the long torture some other people get into.
better to imagine the ease and not the pain… because what you focus on… you bring to you… and trust that you are worthy of mercy…
Spot on Mr Bill.
Bill Whittle, a man with a chest.
Asteroid might pass by and a little piece fall off and hit Crisp nearly killing him but instead become a kidney stone in him.
Great episode.
I see the ”Crisp” has not yet committed suicide. I wonder why? 🤔
It’s a good thing people like him cannot direct an asteroid TO Earth, but then again, they can. If we ever get a few of these crisps in top positions, or in dictator position elsewhere, all it takes is a few launch codes and we won’t need an asteroid. Let’s hope we will know them by their limp (it’s the end of an Irish prayer).
Because he can’t take the rest of us with him. That would seem to be the “why” to me. And you’re right, he could do that with nukes if he had the authority to launch them but … He’s also the kind of person who would be in an advisory or decision making position if that extinction asteroid would ever come along. He’s trying to influence that decision in this article as it is.
People like him need to be put out of our misery. He’s not the type to save us from suffering, he’s the kind of person that causes it. I’m not advocating murder either. We just need to find a nice island somewhere and dump his ilk there without possibility of communication nor escape.
People like Crisp are the monsters that live among us.
Very well done, Bill. “The Abolition of Man” was written almost 70s years ago. The cycles keep moving. People whose quest is an earthbound existence free from strife or pain or hunger really miss the point of life.
It appears to me that Mr. Crisp just needs to put himself out of his misery right now and commit suicide.
That would require a courage Dr. Smith lacks.
So you’d willingly put yourself through an hour’s torture of kidney stone or toothache to save a life. Well and good.
BUT! Would you be willing to put yourself through an hour’s agony of… hearing Mr. Crisp talk about whatever?
Yeah… had to mull that one over, didn’t you, Bill?
There is a common name for a person like Roger Crisp: Pussy.
Well he obviously doesn’t have the other organ intact.
I hear that they have hats! Pink ones.
I’ve heard Chesterton carried a revolver in his pocket for the sole purpose of pointing it at men who claimed life wasn’t worth living.
An elegant argument for a more civilized age.
If life sucks so bad he shouldn’t wait for an asteroid, he should just kill himself and put us out of his misery!
Or is it “put himself out of our misery?
It’s the same reason that your current Governor will use any method he can think of to defeat the recall effort and that the narrative is still Covid and the whole covid passport issue is when all else fails always go back to fear. Fear is the mind killer after all.
Perhaps the good professor should do the honorable thing and commit seppuku, thus saving himself from his imagined horrors.
That would require the honor to start with, and enough bravery for at least that moment. Fat chance.
I not only would opt for that “pathetic worm” to go through an hour of torture, I would blothly pay to watch. 😛
The proud of being weak, cowardly and selfish sum up the entire left.
Too bad Bill is preaching to the choir.
I want all of these human extinction sorts to try it on themselves personally first.
To: Snow-Writing-Capable-Human:
Why couldn’t this be shown on YouTube?
Probably because of all the trolls who would report the video. Why report it? Because they agree with crisp, or just because Bill is a conservative. Take your pick.
About a week ago, Bill was given a timeout by YT for his MB2A video, justice, for the crime of truth-telling. He decided at that time to host all videos at only Rumble. His YT channel will have a short intro blurb to each video and a link to Rumble.
Even here, all videos are now hosted on Rumble instead of YT