Bill Whittle and Alfonzo Rachel take the pulse of American culture and find that Progressivism has lost momentum, as the rebellion — characterized in the “Let’s Go, Brandon!” chant — rises. If anti-Americanism truly stalls, are Constitutional conservatives ready to step in and fill the void?
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41 replies on “Progressive Offensive Stalls: As the Rebellion Rises, Anti-Americanism Loses Momentum”
I disagree with Zoe, which Is really only about in 2% of what he says.
In Jerusalem, Christ ran in to many opportunities to give up his life, but avoided the culmination of that event UNTIL it was the right time. In John when the Greeks come to Philip and ask to see Jesus, he states that the time had arrived. What do the Greeks represent? They represent the introduction of the ‘Mind’ that the fulfillment was awaiting to complete the whole set of loving the Lord with all heart, soul and strength. Mind was added through the rational, or reasonable, aspect of faith in that we can actually determine by reasonable end that these laws and rules are, by their own ends, good. Good by the outcome they generate and not that they are proofs or evidence of their Maker, any more than you can determine the who by the product,
the carpenter by the chair.
He told them to sell the cloak to buy a sword, but he also told them to take money, a staff and a cloak with them in one instance, only to tell them to leave those behind in another instance. Was he contradicting himself by saying so, when he also rebuked Peter the moment when he used that sword at night by the garden of temptation, Gesthemane.
What’s going on! The answer is in understanding the time which calls for the cloak and preparedness, the time that calls for trust and faith and leaving behind (think of Lot), a time for defending yourself, and a time for understanding that only a sacrifice is enough to make people snap out of it.
Those who are wise prepare themselves for whichever is asked for us to do.
He told us to turn the other cheek, not to put our heads into the mouth of the lion. He told us to turn the other cheek, yet questioned the temple guard that struck him, ‘If I spoke the truth, why did you strike me?’
Understanding all these things, we act by what is needed and God help us to prepare for the hill if that’s what is needed.
“There are four lights” reference: Star Trek TNG episodes 10 and 11 of the 6th season.
Another excellent video, by the way! Mucho gratudino to you both and Scott and Steve and anyone else you may have behind the scenes. Your efforts are primo and very much valued as we take our country back. Couldn’t do it without you.
At 9:26…”I’ve tried my entire career to show the respect that our audience deserves…” Just wanted to say that I’m very grateful for that. The race to the bottom with foul language originally used by many for shock value with no thought to the eventual consequences is tiresome. Now we have young children throwing around f-bomb’s and using “AF” as a routine abbreviation for “as f**k.”
Well isn’t that special. How progressive.
So one big pat on the back to Hollywood and media for mainstreaming foul language. You’ve been a tremendous contribution to society in your practice of filth couched in the terms of “freedom of expression” and shrouded in liberalism. Somehow, I don’t think John Locke went around dropping f-bombs.
Having said that, when confronted with evil trying to co-opt our morality and overthrow our free society by practicing the Marxist principles of division outlined in Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals”—which gives props to Satan as the O.G. radical (“orginal gangster” for the uninitiated)—and claim we’re the evil ones by calling us racists/sexists/homophobes, I believe it’s perfectly acceptable to look Satan in the face and cast him back into hell with a big hearty “F**k you.”
After decades of tolerance and persecution giving inches while the left has taken advantage of us by taking miles, we’ve earned the right to say it, and that’s the nuanced difference between our current situation and some morning 80’s shock jock.
Bill:
Dang ! Excellent video. I now have three quotes to add to my website. “Strength is shown by restraint.”
“Deception is the tool of the weak.”
“Sell your cloak and buy a sword.”
Later, John.
Great Video!
In regards to ‘Turn the other cheek’, I think what that implies is a hybrid of what Bill and Zo said.
“If someone strikes your right cheek, turn the other cheek…”
I think that’s saying, “Okay, you gave me a shot. Now give me your best shot!” I stood up to the one, I’ll be standing after the next. Then, it’s my turn!”
That’s the point we are at today. “Let’s Go Brandon” is peoples’ way of saying ‘ you’ve been insulting and belittling us for years. Now, it’s OUR TURN.’
Victory is on the way…stay strong.
Wow, 49 minutes – it’s like getting an extended backstage or mini-TSL!
Bill, you’ve reached Peak Breitbart. For anyone who hasn’t seen the ending to the introduction video for Andrew Breitbart at the 2012 CPAC, someone now put it on Rumble. His words have never, ever, rang more true. Wow. Just Wow
https://rumble.com/embed/vghohj/?pub=1lpil
Concise and perfect
Zo and Bill thanks so much for reminding me we win in the end!
The American Left will never be able to “close the deal” because any win they get no matter how big or small, they always consider to be permanent.
I can’t even begin to count the times after Obama was elected that I saw a Leftist make a comment to the effect of “There will never be a Republican President again.” That idiocy got even louder after Obama’s second election.
They dust off their hands and say “There, we’ve accomplished that, time to move on to the next step.” They never seem to realize they have to hold their gains by effort.
It’s not that the apple falls from the tree into their hands and that’s the end of it. It’s that they drop the apple and more apple trees sprout from the seeds. It takes a while for those saplings to grow and produce fruit but that’s what keeps happening.
I used to play a game similar to Risk called Axis and Allies with a bunch of guys. One of them was a very aggressive player. I always beat that guy no matter what else happened in the game. Because he would always attack before he was ready. As soon as he had the strength built up to attack, attack is what he would do. He couldn’t see far enough ahead to realize he needed to not only take territory but be able to consolidate and defend it after he took it. It’s no surprise that this guy also happened to be a Leftist with Leftist world view and view of history.
The modern American Left is like that guy. They always attack before they can consolidate enough strength to hold their gains. We need to be careful not to mimic that and other Leftist behaviors that lead to defeat.
In fact this is why we do not ever want to adopt their tactics. Their strategy always contains the seeds of their own defeat. If we mimic them, then that will be true of us too.
Bill, the saying you’re looking for is attributed to George Bernard Shaw —
“I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it..”
The pigs want you to jump into their sty and wallow in the filth with them. That’s their home territory. This is the Great Mistake that Donald Trump made, he was arguably the best president in modern times, he could even have been as good or maybe better than Ronald Reagan. He just couldn’t resist the sty and the mud and the pigs ate him for it.
It’s not that the Nation “needed that” kind of thing, as it turns out that’s not so. It’s that Trump made a tactical error so profound that we ended up in a situation where not only did the other side cheat, they always cheat. They pulled out all the stops when it comes to cheating. They pointed to a muddy, filthy Trump covered with the mud and filth he let them coat him with and used that to justify their all out effort at cheating.
If Trump hadn’t gotten muddy and filthy with the pigs his margin of victory would have been so great that even the most profound efforts at cheating would not have prevailed. Because he was a truly great President otherwise.
This is a vital lesson we need to learn. If we don’t we’re playing right into the hands of the anti-American side of politics.
The pigs know all of our arguments. They know they’re correct too. They don’t care because our arguments won’t bring them power. Helping them by getting in the sty and all filthy is not a recipe for saving this Nation from those very pigs.
You drain the swamp by grabbing the chain on the drain plug, standing as far back as you can get, and yanking the plug out while holding your nose. You do not drain the swamp by wading in and wrestling with every single alligator that lives there.
I think the quote Zo conflated with that one was a Mark Twain quote:
“Don’t try to teach a pig to sing. You’ll just waste your time and annoy the pig.”
That’s correct, that’s the quote Zo was referring to. That’s why I wasn’t addressing what Zo said, I was addressing what Bill said. The first clue you should have gotten in that regard was the fact that the name “Bill” was the first word in my comment. The next would be that at no point did I address or refer to Zo in my comment. Your reply is non-sequitur thereby.
Bill got the two quotes mixed up, the one by Mark Twain and the one by GBS. This is clear because “teach a pig to sing” is not a confrontational conflict and “wrestle with a pig” is. Bill said “argue with a pig” at 10:01. That’s not educational, it’s confrontational. Teaching a pig and arguing with a pig are not synonymous, they don’t mean the same thing.
If this was scripted instead of being recorded spontaneously Bill probably would have amplified Zo’s Mark Twain quote with George Bernard Shaw’s quote. He knew what he wanted to say, he just couldn’t spit it out in the normal flow of conversation.
Zo was saying “don’t cast your pearls before swine”, it’s a Biblical verse that goes –
“Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.” (Matthew 7:6, NIV)
The Mark Twain quote is very similar to that. Both mean do not waste effort on those whom the effort will have zero effect. It’s an important Christian concept that isn’t widely taught these days.
Zo’s point was that it’s a waste of effort to try to convert the willfully ignorant.
On the other hand, what Bill’s point was that it’s a waste of time fighting with swine TOO. Which is also the point of the George Bernard Shaw quote.
The quotes are very similar, that’s not really the point I was making though. I’m not correcting Bill Whittle, I’m amplifying what he was saying. Those are not synonymous either.
I’m constrained to point out that if all you got from what I said was what you thought was an opportunity to correct me, which failed because what I said was not wrong, then you didn’t really understand what I was saying anyway.
Or did you? Because if you did perhaps consider addressing my point(s) rather than erroneously correcting my knowledge of quotations. Doing that little “gotcha” dance is mildly irritating and I don’t see the need for it in this forum. Especially as there was no error on my part.
The less charitable third possibility is that you’re just a garden variety dumbass that thinks he knows more than he actually does and wanted to show off by “correcting” someone else. I’m willing to be charitable and assume that’s not you so don’t get your knickers in a knot. You are the one forcing me to cover all possible angles here to avoid another erroneous “correction”.
It’s tedious to have to take these “corrections” apart by their components, if you’re not familiar with the quotations of George Bernard Shaw and you just gave me the benefit of the doubt this could easily be avoided with no loss to the conversation at all.
I write comments that run long enough as it is, if I have to try to anticipate and negate every single “gotcha” ambush someone might come up with, they’d be a lot longer. So,
Thanks for not doing that in the future.
Your comment about PRESIDENT Trump tells me more about you than anything you have ever posted so far. Insulting and arrogant doesn’t even begin to describe you!!! Who the heck do you think you ARE? Don’t answer, I already know—> Fruit of the poisonous tree.
You know … You’re welcome to disagree with me all you like. If you don’t make a case for your disagreement and just call me names that doesn’t prove anything to anyone anywhere.
I’ve said before that Trump was a great President. I said that again above. I made it very clear that as a President he was on a par with and could even have exceeded Ronald Reagan. As a conservative there’s very little praise that can exceed that standard.
That said, I do not worship Donald Trump. I do not like him at all as a person. If he invited me to dinner I would politely decline the invitation. As a person he fell short of the standard for acting Presidential in situations outside his official duties. The enemies of America used that against him. That’s not just my opinion, it’s shared by many other people on our side of the political spectrum. I’m not alone in this opinion at all. Failure to worship Trump does not make me the enemy of our side nor less patriotic than those who do.
Donald Trump is a flawed person. His flaws are at least partly responsible for his defeat because the enemy was able to successfully exploit his flaws. What they did to him wasn’t fair but they couldn’t have done it if he hadn’t given them the opening to hit him there. This isn’t “poisonous”, it’s simple reality. If you disagree you’re welcome to state your case but what you’re not welcome to do is call me names with impunity because I hurt your feelings. I’m going to object to that kind of thing and point it out for what it is.
None of that stopped me from voting for him twice. None of that stopped me from telling anyone who would listen that they should vote for him too.
If we do not learn from mistakes and that goes for Donald Trump and the mistakes he made too, we are never going to get our country back from those who would destroy it. I have no emotional investment in President Donald Trump, my reasoning and opinions are based on cold, hard facts and reality.
If that’s arrogant and insulting so be it. If that makes me arrogant and insulting in your view not only do I not care even a tiny bit, I see it as telling that you didn’t state your own points and make your own case but just dropped back and punted with name calling.
You act like I insulted your lover, or your god. That’s emotional nonsense of the same sort that the Left uses to such devastating effect on people who are unwary and unaware. Saying I”m “arrogant and insulting” for stating what I see as truth is the same thing as the Left calling everyone who doesn’t agree with them “racists”. It’s an effort to shut me up and it’s not going to work.
I’ll answer anything I damn well please. If you can make accusations and call me names you ought to expect I’m going to answer them.
No one here just “calls you names” when disagreeing. We leave that to the ad hominem-loving leftists.
You make the mistake of building the strawman that we all worship Trump. Strange and comedic that you accuse us of building strawmen when that’s your routine.
You see we all think for ourselves. Maybe you should question your own crowd before criticizing ours.
Donald Trump is only a “flawed person” to people like yourself expecting a perfect savior to the current communist threat while fully taking advantage of and taking granted for the safety and security of the last 50 years. Wake up dude.
Your arrogance is insulting. First of all, there is only one God to be worshiped, and the fact that you don’t understand that while criticizing the rest of us by claiming we worship Trump as some god makes you look like a complete clown.
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/evolution-2-0-prize-unprecedented-10-million-offered-to-replicate-cellular-evolution-300985419.html
Let everyone know when your science discovers the origin of DNA as in life. There’s $10 million in it for anyone who can program the origin of DNA. Then let us know when science explains the Big Bang.
“If we do not learn from mistakes and that goes for Donald Trump and the mistakes he made too, we are never going to get our country back from those who would destroy it. I have no emotional investment in President Donald Trump, my reasoning and opinions are based on cold, hard facts and reality.”
Hold card facts and reality would be refreshing. You go ahead and call the rest of us crazy while resting in your delusional belief with Bill Kristol and the rest that if we say, “Pretty please?!” to the communists they’ll leave us alone.
You are most definitely arrogant and insulting for assuming your intellectual superiorty and making zero effort to understand before judging.
Look brother I love your passion, and I most certainly appreciate your patriotism and service, but don’t attack my friends. I’ll beat your ass every time.
I disagree. We’ve tried to stand outside the Swamp and be polite for decades. Someone needed to get down and dirty with the fake news and everyone else. Plus you’d have to define how Trump stooped to their level. He didn’t in my view. So he called Warren “Pocahontas.” She deserved it. So did McCain. So did establishment globalist Jeb “low energy” Bush. And all the rest.
He showed them the respect they deserve, which is none.
Was Trump “stooping to their level” when he called out the fake news?
Was Trump “stooping to their level” when he put Pelosi and Schumer on television in the Oval Office and displayed their sheer lack of willingness or creativity to negotiate on immigration reform to avoid a government shutdown?
Was Trump “stooping to their level” when he called out the clear election fraud?
How exactly would you say he dirtied himself or us by meeting the communist, globalist liars and con artists head on and calling them on their b.s.? These are the same arrogant, condescending criminals—and I use that word advisedly—who called us all deplorable racists and divided the country for years for ratings, money and power with their Marxist identity politics in their attempt at globalization…yet another word the fake news spun to mean worldwide trade when they knew exactly what we were saying…a one world government.
Sometimes you need to get down and dirty, and I think it’s incredibly naive to believe that the evil globalists wouldn’t have been successful in their election rigging if Trump had been more polite. They just would have adjusted the numbers. In my personal opinion, he did win by a landslide, but they were never going to let another victory like 2016 occur which interrupted their plans, Trump or no Trump.
In your other response to which I haven’t responded yet, you state to the effect that we can’t forget how corrupt these people are. There are trillions of dollars and permanent worldwide power at stake. It’s the ultimate prize for the communists. They needn’t be bothered going forward with those pesky, freedom-loving citizens anywhere in the world.
No amount of politeness and courtesy will overcome that level of evil.
You misunderstood me, which I find to be a common problem when discussing Donald Trump with fellow Conservatives.
I didn’t say anyone, including Trump, needs to “stand outside the swamp and be polite”. I said he needed to hold his nose and pull the drain plug. It’s not the same thing at all. Your metaphor implies a meek, mild, timid approach. Mine implies a forceful, consequential, direct approach.
I didn’t say he shouldn’t have called Elizabeth Warren “Pocahontas” either. I think that was great strategy. She absolutely deserved that.
A big part of the problem I encounter when discussing Trumps failings with Conservatives is that often they either don’t know what he did in some instances because they only watch Conservative oriented outlets that don’t cover those things or don’t put the emphasis on them that they get elsewhere, or they are simply willing to overlook and ignore things that they would not were the object of scrutiny be on the other side. Confirmation bias is dangerous as hell.
I can give quite a few examples but I can make my point with just a couple.
There were serious questions about Hillary Clinton’s state of health and suitability for four years in the most strenuous job on the planet. There were also questions about Donald Trump on the same vein. Do you remember that? Do you remember what Trump’s response was?
The Clinton campaign, being an experienced, dastardly, massively proficient political machine either ignored those accusations completely or dismissed them out of hand as absurd. (Personally, I think the concerns were highly valid and relevant but I’m not an Independent swing voter who needed convincing either.) They got no traction because the media didn’t cover them and the campagne didn’t acknowledge them. Most Clinton voters never heard them, nor did the crucial swing voters. It didn’t matter if they were valid or not because the only coverage they got was from Conservative media consumed by people who were not going to vote for her anyway. Preaching to the choir is also dangerous as hell.
Trump countered those allegations by personally guaranteeing that he would release a “full medical report”. He did no such thing, he just let the Left goad him into making a promise to violate his own privacy to a degree he was not willing to submit to. Then rather than release that medical report he dictated a letter to his doctor which was released as a statement not a full report.
This was not lost on the Left and they used this kind of thing to paint Trump in mud that he probably didn’t deserve.
You can say whatever you like, the fact remains that the Left threw mud at Trump and his ego got in the way of doing what he should have done, which was politically speaking the same thing Hillary did, and ignore them.
As it turns out, he would have been right to ignore them because he came through 4 years in the White House visibly less deteriorated than any President in living memory.
The right thing to do would have been to counter accusations of his health being insufficient to the office by pointing out the things that showed Hillary was if anything in worse shape. There are lots of videos of Hillary exhibiting infirmities.
He did the proverbial “wrote checks with his mouth that his ass wasn’t willing to cash” and the Left used that against him very effectively. It doesn’t matter what you think about the actual issue, it was mud and it stuck. He let it stick and because his ego demanded a counter punch he picked the wrong thing to hit back with.
This is something he did a lot. Like I said, I’m just giving an example here. I’m not going to argue every single thing he did, that would be petty and interminable. I’m not saying there weren’t alternative interpretations or anything like that either. I’m saying this is the sort of thing that allowed the Left to plaster him in mud that stuck and whether you think it was effective or not is irrelevant. It was, the proof is in the pudding so it doesn’t matter if you forgive or ignore such things due to their validity or not.
If your new puppy cowers in fear at thunder and lightning the worst thing you can do is try to comfort the puppy and try to tell it “It’s OK”. If you make a big deal out of thunder and lightning the puppy will assume there’s something to make a big deal about. If you ignore the thunder and lightning and the puppy most of the time the puppy will see that you’re not concerned about it and get over its fear very quickly. The lesson is not to give traction to things that do not deserve it. Any. Traction. At. All.
The Clinton campaign knew this and used it well. The Biden campaign used it even better. Hell they didn’t let their candidate out of his basement so that whatever traps were set never even saw his shadow. That worked though it’s counterintuitive.
Trump should have known this and probably did. He couldn’t resist because he couldn’t tamp down his ego enough to let that kind of thing pass into obscurity. The Left knew he would do that and set traps for him that he stepped into when he should not have.
The worst thing he did was lose control of the COVID situation. He told us “15 days to flatten the curve” because that’s what his “experts” including Dr. Fauci told him.
He should have fired Fauci long before he became a hero and a beacon for the Left. Once Fauci recognized the power and fame he wielded he built on that exponentially. He saw an opportunity and he seized it. Trump could have stopped him but he didn’t because he was afraid of what would be said about him if he did. He didn’t do the right thing to handle the pandemic because he was afraid people would say bad things about him and he didn’t seem to care or realize they were going to say bad things about him anyway.
Trump did the right thing with “Operation Warp Speed”. Then he pissed that political advantage away because we were all wearing masks we were told we didn’t need, staying at home because the government mandated it in many places, and generally in the grip of Leftist power on Election Day.
Trump built a great economy then ignored the damage and deaths that nationwide continual quarantine did to that economy. Because he let the Leftist media dictate policy so that he wouldn’t be blamed for something that was not his fault in the first place. He basically ceded his power to the Leftists in control of the medical media. Not the actual medical experts themselves, the medical media. Which used that power against him to maximum effect.
Had he not done that, we wouldn’t be in the mess we’re in right now. Once they had that kind of power the Left, which fully recognized what they had, used it against him. Those people are evil but they’re not stupid. Evil in its pure form is rarely stupid.
We wouldn’t have Leftist Democrats controlling the nation. We wouldn’t be told we have to wear useless, 95% ineffective masks that are no better at blocking a virus than is using a chain link fence to keep out mosquitos.
We wouldn’t have that twit Anthony Fauci telling us we can’t have Thanksgiving and Christmas.
If Trump had stuck to the original plan this whole COVID thing would have had far less devastating impact on our nation and the original plan was sound. It’s like Trump was Trump right up until about a month after COVID became an issue and everything went south from there.
As it was, he very nearly won in spite of those things and more. I wish every day that he had. If he had not been such a dupe to the Left the last election would have been a record landslide for Republicans. The Left did all these things because they knew that and they knew if they didn’t take Trump down their days were numbered. They pulled out all the stops and cheated. I’m not praising Hillary, Joe or anything on the Left in any way except the sort of grudging appreciation one might have for an enemy that succeeds.
Conservatives tend to ignore or make excuses for all of this. Excuses are like assholes, everyone has one. It is to our peril to do so because when the Left tries something underhanded and it works, they’re absolutely going to do it again. That’s as sure as tomorrow’s sunrise. Unless we do the things necessary to stop them. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
If you’re not going to look this stuff squarely in the eye and call it what it really is, you’re not going to get this country back. You can’t just cherry pick the good and ignore the bad because then you can’t fix the bad and the benefits of the good will be lost consequentially. Worshipping Donald Trump is not an effective political strategy.
We need someone like Trump as President but we also need someone who won’t step on his own ego and trip himself. I like Trump as POTUS a lot. If we had a POTUS that understood people and politics as well as Ronald Reagan and incorporated the policies of Donald Trump then that would make America great again.
If we don’t face our own failings, and the failings of Donald Trump, squarely and honestly, making America great again is not going to happen. Trump put us on the right path and then he let us slide off that path when COVID came along. That cost him his office and may cost us our Nation if the enemy has its way. He needs both credit for what he got right and criticism for what he got wrong. Anything else is just hero worship and he’s not worthy of worship.
I’m not going to reply to your other two comments because I think I’ve made my case with this one. If you think I’m worried about “nice” or some sort of bullshit “decorum” you don’t understand what I’m saying. I’m talking about the effective wielding of political power for the good of the United States of America — Not some sort of warm and fuzzy feel good crap. That’s a straw man argument, it’s attributing things to my argument that I’m not saying at all so you can criticise them. It’s assuming I’m taking the side and view of Leftists so you can criticise what I say and I’m not doing that at all either.
I’m talking about reality and in my experience when facing evil “nice” and bullshit “decorum” are useless. I’m a Marine and I know all too damn well who they call when diplomacy fails. I’m saying the opposite of being “nice” is what was called for. Trump isn’t good at “nice” and he should have stuck to what he’s good at. If you don’t understand what I’m saying there’s no point in me saying it even more.
Jimmy Carter, the guy who founded Habitat for Humanity, went to Washington with the best of intentions, and the Swamp ate him alive.
At a certain point, nice doesn’t work, and we’ve reached that point as Americans. Over the course of decades the left has exhausted our patience and generosity while taking advantage of our trust and tolerance. They’ve used guilt as a weapon to gain leverage and power, and now they want to destroy our hardearned credibility and privilege by claiming we had “privilege.”
I don’t think so.
Agreed, that wasn’t my point and I didn’t say that either.
To hell with decorum. At a certain point, you need to get down in the pit, and there’s a lot of fighting left to be done. Virginia and CRT in schools just started to peel back the onion for most Americans. They still need to discover the evil behind all this, and it’s our job to make sure that happens.
“My Leftist friends (as well as many ardent #NeverTrumpers) constantly ask me if I’m not bothered by Donald Trump’s lack of decorum. They ask if I don’t think his tweets are “beneath the dignity of the office.” Here’s my answer:
We Right-thinking people have tried dignity. There could not have been a man of more quiet dignity than George W. Bush as he suffered the outrageous lies and politically motivated hatreds that undermined his presidency. We tried statesmanship. Could there be another human being on this earth who so desperately prized “collegiality” as John McCain? We tried propriety – has there been a nicer human being ever than Mitt Romney? And the results were always the same.
This is because, while we were playing by the rules of dignity, collegiality and propriety, the Left has been, for the past 60 years, engaged in a knife fight where the only rules are those of Saul Alinsky and the Chicago mob.
I don’t find anything “dignified,” “collegial” or “proper” about Barack Obama’s lying about what went down on the streets of Ferguson in order to ramp up racial hatreds because racial hatreds serve the Democratic Party. I don’t see anything “dignified” in lying about the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi and imprisoning an innocent filmmaker to cover your tracks. I don’t see anything “statesman-like” in weaponizing the IRS to be used to destroy your political opponents and any dissent. Yes, Obama was “articulate” and “polished” but in no way was he in the least bit “dignified,” “collegial” or “proper.” …”
https://townhall.com/columnists/evansayet/2017/07/13/he-fights-n2354580
Screw decorum. I never mentioned decorum, you did.
Sorry but when they undeservedly and recklessly call me and my entire family back in “flyover country”—some of the nicest people you’ll ever meet—racists, they’ve bought themselves a fight they won’t believe. Screw these people and the false sense of morality they use to accuse Trump or anyone else of acting inappropriately while they screw all decent Americans repeatedly behind our backs in their bid for world domination.
Enough is enough.
Agreed, that has nothing to do with my point. You seem to think that when I say “act Presidential” I’m talking about some stupid Leftist objection to “mean Trump”. I’m not. I’m talking about acting like the Leader of the Free World With a Huge Pair of Shiny Brass Balls and doing the right thing, not the nice thing and not some sort of decorum horseshit.
This knee jerk reaction to valid, honest, obvious, deserved criticism to anything related to Donald Trump is boring and beneath you. Read what I said above, not what you think you wanted me to say and not what gives you the opportunity to stand in the Trump Pulpit and preach a sermon that I already agree with anyway. If you’re going to say “sorry” then that’s what you should be apologizing for.
Guess I should have said sorry not sorry as I make no apologies, and it’s not a knee jerk reaction by any means. You seem to believe that I and everyone else are in the Trump cult which is entirely a figment of the imagination of the actual cult of the fake news. We don’t believe everything he says nor do we agree with everything he does thereby necessitating its defense.
Your characterization of Trump needing to the “right thing” in this post and your characterization of him slinging mud along with them in your original post both decidedly indicate that you have a problem with his methods.
Asking you to define your beef is a perfectly acceptable request. Either you can or you can’t, but this vague notion that he should have acted differently somehow to suit the same sense of propriety held up by Republicans for years is pure bunk.
Yeah, I didn’t say that either. That’s nothing but another straw man ploy. I was actually very specific about my points, not even a tiny bit vague. That was several posts above, I don’t know if you were not aware that I was specific and had replied to your original reply to me, or if you’re just being defensive.
It really doesn’t matter to me, I don’t care which or neither. Trump isn’t a Savior for us any more than Obama was for them. Barbara Hanson went off on me like I had called Jesus the Devil or some silly, mindless, ignorant thing like that. That’s what I was replying to HER about, what I’m replying to YOU about is what YOU said.
I wasn’t attacking you, I wasn’t accusing you of “Trump Cultitis” either. I said that Trump made serious tactical and strategic mistakes and gave examples. Serious errors that a very large percentage of Conservatives don’t seem to have noticed or remember. Because OMG if you’re on the Right don’t you dare hint that Donald John Trump is anything resembling a flawed human being like the rest of us.
Then you started up with all this dumb “nice” and “decorum” crap. Which had nothing to do with what I was talking about and I already explained that at great length. Then you come back with the banality I cited at the beginning of this post so it’s clear you’re not receiving what I’m sending. That doesn’t seem like you, from the little we’ve discussed in the past, it seems like someone infested with Trump Cultism so — If the shoe fits …
I’m not going to discuss this with you at all if you insist on crap like I cited above, that I most definitely didn’t say and never advocated. Ignoring what I actually say so that you can puff your chest out and accuse me of ridiculous things I did not say is a Leftist trick.
Homie don’t play that.
You ought to be above that but now that’s questionable. It’s a less-than-intelligent thing to do so …
Your call, I’m willing to live and let live and move on. I’m not going to put up with straw man characterizations and foolish assumptions that run counter to what I am actually saying. You have to actually read and grasp what I’m saying. So if that’s all you have, we’re done here….
Homie obviously doesn’t remember what he said…
“If Trump hadn’t gotten muddy and filthy with the pigs his margin of victory would have been so great that even the most profound efforts at cheating would not have prevailed. Because he was a truly great President otherwise.”
Then you accused me of a knee jerk reaction which SPECIFICALLY IMPLIES I’M A REACTIONARY CULTIST.
And once again, rather than defining what you meant by Trump getting “muddy and filthy” (sorry you didn’t have the intellectual horsepower to connect that with “mud slinging”), you resort to semantics in a vain attempt to prove you’re correct. You’re not.
So no. No strawmen claimed. Like I said, you can either define what you meant or you can’t. Obviously, you can’t, which is why your pulling out the “we’re done here” nonsense.
I don’t engage in strawmen. Your STILL UNDEFINED VAGUE SENSE OF PROPRIETY to which you supposedly hold Trump is what I asked you to define by stating exactly how he was slinging mud with the rest of the Democrats.
If anyone is engaging in false assumptions, it’s you. How am I “puffing my chest out” by asking you to define what you mean?
Give me a break. Either be adult enough to answer the question or admit you can’t. I don’t care which. Just stop with the baseless accusations which IS decidedly a leftist trick. So is pretending you have the moral high ground and taking your ball and going home.
I did fully grasp what you said. Orange man bad for getting down and dirty while fighting with the Democrats. Must return to normal and be nice to Democrats. Mean tweets bad.
All the same garbage from the never Trumpers. Genie’s out of the bottle, and we’re not going back. If you supposedly agree, stop acting like Trump did anything wrong by calling out the fake news and the lying Democrats.
You know who did do damage?
Trump is a racist.
Systemic racism is causing police to kill black people.
Climate change is an existential threat.
America was built on slavery.
Trump lied about the seriousness of the pandemic.
Trump never took the virus seriously, calling it a hoax.
CRT isn’t being taught in schools.
White men are our biggest terrorist threat.
Hunter Biden’s laptop is Russian disinformation.
Most secure election ever.
Trump instigated Jan. 6th.
Jan. 6th was an armed insurrection.
…and it wasn’t Trump saying those things..
But you, somehow, ignore ALL of this and suggest Trump is the one at fault and if maybe just maybe we had been nice enough, the Democrats would have allowed us to win the election by not cheating to win “by any means necessary” which is LITERALLY THEIR MOTTO AS COMMUNISTS.
So pardon me if I don’t let you get away with pretending to be the gracious one willing to “let things go” as you accuse me of completely missing the point. I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU SAID. Heaven forfend I ask you to define it further in the face of all evidence to the contrary.
So are you going to be adult and admit you’re wrong or what?
Obviously you didn’t “fully grasp” doodly-squat because I didn’t say that. That’s a classic example of a straw man argument thereby. You can deny it all you like but if you ascribe something to me that I did not say, then attack the thing you said I said when I did not … If the shoe fits this one is custom made by your own hand. Claiming you don’t “do straw men” is meaningless when that’s a textbook example of one.
Nor did I say a single one of those things either. Another text book example of a straw man argument. Those things are therefor irrelevant to this discussion, you brought them in here not me.
I gave two very specific examples that you asked me for, in depth, and you have not responded to what you asked and I supplied. Where I agree with you, you ignore that just as completely. If you do that, we can’t discuss it, we can’t have a discussion at all. Instead you have assumed that my arguments are the same as the nitwits on the Left and proceeded to attack what they said, not what I said.
I get it, you’re angry and frustrated with those people. So am I. I’m not one of those people, I was never a “Never Trumper” and the lies you’re citing and I have quoted above have nothing to do with what I have said.
I have done you the courtesy of reading your replies to be certain I didn’t miss anything you said to me, you are not reciprocating that courtesy. You have attempted to assign me a position I do not take and put words I have not spoken into my mouth.
Anyone with any sort of fairmindedness can read what we have both said and judge for themselves. That’s fine with me and I’m willing to leave it up to others to judge.
I’m not being “gracious” or anything of the sort. It’s just that if you insist on putting words in my mouth and browbeating me for things I have never said nor agree with … There’s no more point to discussing this with you. I’m not your foil, I’m not the one who has said all the things that have you so incensed. I don’t blame you for being incensed but I’m not the proper target because I did not say the things you keep arguing against.
To me this appears to be a manifestation of the Dunning-Kruger effect. I could be wrong but every time you come back with a whole truckload of things I never said and do not support, then accuse me of them …
Three times you’ve done this now. That’s enough. I’m done talking to you about this subject because you’re not talking to me, you’re talking AT me about things other people who we both find mutually repulsive have said.
This isn’t an exchange of ideas and information, it’s you trying to bring up every point you hate about the lies the Left has told about Trump and smear me with them. I’m not having it and it’s unreasonable for you to expect me to, sorry to disappoint you so.
You remind me of someone who barely listens to the other side of a conversation because they’re too busy thinking up what they’re going to say next. That’s not a conversation, at least not on your part. It’s just a monologue.
There’s nothing adult about your side of this conversation. This is saddening because we have had other conversations and I was hoping to add you to the growing list of people in here that I could actually converse with, discuss thoughts and ideas, and not hear some ranting screed against the Left (though God knows they deserve it), in lieu of real dialog and considerate, thoughtful interaction.
This is the last time I’m going to talk to you about this. I’m not running away, I’m tired of you not listening to me.
Bullcrap. You criticized Trump for not being nice enough to be re-elected, and I LITERALLY COPIED AND PASTED WHAT YOU SAID.
Stop with this b.s. strawman garbage. I don’t do strawmen. I don’t need to do strawmen.
YOU are the one constructing strawmen. I provided all of those examples from the FAKE NEWS to demonstrate exactly who was causing the damage and that Trump responding to them was not the problem. Then I described that you’re making the same freaking mistake that all of those never Trumpers who didn’t like his mean tweets are making. THE COMMUNISTS DON’T CARE HOW NICE WE ARE, which is exactly what Evan Sayet was saying in his essay.
SO AGAIN, RATHER THAN RUNNING AWAY, EITHER A) SAY EXACTLY HOW TRUMP SHOULD HAVE BEEN “NICER” IN ORDER TO NOT HAVE THE COMMUNIST, CHEATING, GLOBALIST ESTABLISHMENT DECIDE TO LET HIM WIN OR B) JUST ADMIT YOU’RE WRONG.
Stop with this nonsense about my constructing strawmen. Your whataboutism in the form of pointing out hypocrisy that doesn’t exist is decidedly something that leftists do. They’ll also do it by changing the subject entirely, both methods designed to avoid admitting they’re incorrect when they can’t explain themselves. I’m at least giving you the benefit of the doubt that you have a point which, for someone unknown reason, you refuse to reveal.
THREE TIMES NOW instead of just claiming that I’m somehow missing your point, you could have…oh I don’t know…call me crazy…STATED EXACTLY WHAT POINT YOU WERE TRYING MAKE AFTER CLAIMING THAT I MISSED IT. But no. You couldn’t do that. Instead you descend into semantics, most likely, I’m guessing to obfuscate the fact that you really don’t have a point.
You can stop pretending I’m not adult either. What a joke. ADULTS admit when they’re wrong or indulge requests to clarify. You have done neither.
I didn’t miss your point, and I have not used a single strawman. Give me a break.
Here’s a thought genius. Rather than cherry-picking the parts of my posts where I have to guess at what else you might be saying as you won’t clarify what else you are supposedly saying and then claiming that I’m throwing up strawmen as that’s not what you said, WHY DON’T YOU TELL ME WHAT ELSE YOU ARE TRYING TO COMMUNCATE?!!!
You don’t like the way that Trump stooped to their level and wallowed in the mud with them. So what EXACTLY would you have him do in the face of all their opposition? Take the high road? We’ve TRIED THAT. IT DOESN’T WORK.
Oh and thanks for the Dunning-Kruger accusation. Accusing the other person of not being as smart as they think they are is another sure tactic of the left when they’re losing an argument. It’s as predictable as the sun rising in the east.
Now to be clear, I’m not saying you’re a lefty, so don’t nitpick and say I’m throwing up another “strawman.” I’m saying that it’s a common tactic that they employ, and without fail, they themselves are the ones suffering from it.
“It’s not that the Nation “needed that” kind of thing, as it turns out that’s not so.”
Translation: Well Youngkin won, so that proves we can be nice and they won’t cheat like they did against Trump!!!
“It’s that Trump made a tactical error so profound that we ended up in a situation where not only did the other side cheat, they always cheat They pulled out all the stops when it comes to cheating. They pointed to a muddy, filthy Trump covered with the mud and filth he let them coat him with and used that to justify their all out effort at cheating.”
Translation: If Trump hadn’t gotten muddy and filthy, they wouldn’t have been able to justify their all out effort at cheating.
Fun fact. They justified it by painting Trump as a tyrant intending the rig the election. Had nothing to do with his tweets and getting “muddy and filthy.”
“On March 3, Podhorzer drafted a three-page confidential memo titled “Threats to the 2020 Election.” “Trump has made it clear that this will not be a fair election, and that he will reject anything but his own re-election as ‘fake’ and rigged,” he wrote. ‘On Nov. 3, should the media report otherwise, he will use the right-wing information system to establish his narrative and incite his supporters to protest.’ ”
https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/
Notice how the article mentions “right-wing militias girded for battle” on election night when the EXACT OPPOSITE WAS THE CASE.
But hey. Maybe if we all get the jab and be nice instead of meeting them on their level, Biden will let us all get together for next Independence Day.
We need Trump and his willingness to get down and dirty now more than ever.