When you go back in time to prevent patient zero from catching COVID-19 — or to kill baby Hitler — be careful.
Previously, we thought your time-travel action would thus eliminate the need for your time travel and therefore you’d never go back in time.
But it’s a paradox no longer, if you believe University of Queensland student Germain Tobar and his UQ professor Fabio Costa. Tobar mathematically proves that paradox free (non-trivial) time travel is possible…but personally risky.
Background Resources:
A Student Just Proved Paradox-Free Time Travel is Possible
[Popular Mechanics, September 25, 2020]Reversible Dynamics with Close Time-Like Curves and Freedom of Choice
[Germain Tobar and Fabio Costa, Classical and Quantum Gravity, September 21, 2020]
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Thank you Bill! This, and the “Controlled Reality” episode are definitely some of your best. My closest friends and I, at one time, in the 70’s, spent enormous amounts of time on these discussions. Yes, we were in altered states at the time, but I have to say that we were on the same tracks, just lost our way before completing the thoughts. I still go down these rabbit holes regularly, but it’s much more intimidating without the accelerants. I should also add, that a good portion of our adventure, and understanding of your oration, was due to the reading and digestion of a great deal of science fiction (which I still read regularly).
Ben Elton wrote a wonderful book, I wish I could remember it’s name, I only remember the author because of his last name…
The premise was of a person who time-traveled to try and reverse Sarjevo (sp?), the spark that started WWI. He kept on missing, going back to try again, and each time the world got worse because of his efforts (kind of a recursive effort, building on each successive mistake). Very interesting book!
… Book called “Time and Time Again”
“In Time and Time Again, international best-selling author Ben Elton, takes readers on a thrilling journey through early 20th-Century Europe. It’s the 1st of June 1914 and Hugh Stanton, ex-soldier and celebrated adventurer is quite literally the loneliest man on earth. No one he has ever known or loved has been born yet. Perhaps now they never will be. Stanton knows that a great and terrible war is coming. A collective suicidal madness that will destroy European civilization and bring misery to millions in the century to come. He knows this because, for him, that century is already history. Somehow he must change that history. He must prevent the war. A war that will begin with a single bullet. But can a single bullet truly corrupt an entire century? And, if so, could another single bullet save it?”– Provided by publisher.
So let me get this straight. If baby Hitler went back in time and killed baby Bill Whittle, then we are now reading what I will type tomorrow on ScottOtt.com, part of the Steve Green TV network.Or to make it less complicated, maybe the Natasha hour with Scott Ott and Steve Green.
Bill, check out “A History of Time Travel”. I think it’s still available on Amazon.
I just wish that history could be told as close to how it happened as possible and not changed to suit people’s beliefs. We could learn from what actually happened and should, for that matter. The propensity of liberals to try to rearrange history to hide their predecessors’ sins and failings, then to blame those sins and failings on conservatives, is a huge evil that I hope will come back and bite them on their butts…in the future.
History as told by Democrats:
“Some people did some things.” -I. Omar
“What, at this point, does it matter?” -H. Clinton
So the interesting part is that sometime in this timeline’s future I did travel back into the past and made the pandemic much better than it could have been. My mechanism for doing so was taking a cell phone video of one of the presidential candidates collapsing into a van, thus ensuring she would lose the election and Donald Trump would win. This was viewed by those of us in the Time Corps as a crux event since President Clinton did not shut down air travel with either China or Italy, thus leading to many deaths, including her own. Thus Bernie Sanders was elected in 2020, leading the US in by 2030 looking like Venezuela and Cuba of today.
We try to be very surgical in our influence. How’d we do? (We don’t do those internet survey’s anymore in the future I am from since after Bernie’s election, with AOC as VP and his subsequent death (very sketchy), Pres for Life AOC shut down the internet, and turned all electricity off). So you can see this was a very important mission.
At 5:40 mark – Scott’s description of Hitler and Germany prior to WWI is one for the ages. Both accurate and vivid in its portrayal. Fabulous use of words. I am not going to repeat it so that everyone hears it for themselves (some people read the comments before listening). Scott- patent that one!!
One of the worst things to ever happen to science was when theoretical math was allowed to be reified into existence in order to have a place in the conversation. To make matters worse, it then began to dominate the field of astrophysics which should be the mother of all science since everything must fit under it’s umbrella. Instead, assumption built upon assumption led to the house of cards we call cosmology. We actually have “scientists” claiming to know the origin of the universe. The sheer level of arrogance required to make a claim like that is astounding, and it is widely accepted as fact. Not good.
Yup so many people don’t realize how faulty “science” is especially for things insanely complicated that our only understanding of is based off huge assumptions that back what we want to believe with no actual basis in reality. Dealing with astrophysics like you talked about, last year in my modern physics class I forget exactly what it was but my professor said how this simple equation showed that planets were moving farther apart from each other and so the universe is expanding (and this is expansion is used to justify big bang too). I think that was first and only time I raised my hand in that class to question him on how a few planets within our realm of visibility moving farther apart from each other could be proof of the universe expanding and not just a fact that they are moving farther apart and after stating it so matter of factly my professor (who’s specialty is cosmology) had to admit that ok you can’t really justify it based off that simple thing (That may have been the first time he actually questioned it himself). He then claimed other stuff like maybe cosmic radiation and other stuff is used to back it up and I let it go but again, how in the world can the cosmic radiation of Jupiter tell us the universe is expanding when if there even is an end to it (as a Christian I believe there isn’t) we have no idea how far away that end even would be.
This fall semester as I started graduate school (for engineering) during my ethics session the head of my department told all the new graduate students as a warning to be careful what we believe and hold ourselves to high ethical standards that most published scientific research is false and provided several published papers done showing how so much is not true that is published. So many people need to hear that especially with all this Covid stuff and climate “science” and everyone saying “trust the scientists, trust the scientists” and we’re not allowed to question anything. Same thing with all the astrophysics and origin of the universe stuff. It’s just based off wild assumptions with no way to verify its true. People need to remember at one point science said that the Earth was flat and that the Earth was the center of the universe with the sun and everything else revolving around it.
There have been some fairly hilarious examples of people submitting plain garbage and outright science fiction to the trade mags, having them published and then calling the rags on it. The rags tended to put the blame on the submitters and say nothing about their peer review process, which is supposed to be the whole point of a peer reviewed journal.
Yup is really bad how much of an issue it is. In one study only 33% of peer reviewers I think it was rejected completely fabricated papers. And yet all we hear from the media and the left is trust the science, trust the scientists why are you a science denier.
I think they also often think of science as a thing, not a process, that you can trust, like a person. Until something has been done and done repeatedly by several people, I do not know that it can be called science and certainly not trusted.
A point Bill (I think) has made about climate scientists all agreeing is that you can have 100 people look at the same sample and all agree on what it says, but that says nothing about how bad the numbers are. You need 100 samples gathered in various ways that all say the same thing, but we don’t have a whole lot of cloned Earths for the controlled experiments, we really only have one control group and that might be suffering from a placebo.
This isn’t physics: it’s metaphysics. Actually, it’s the theology of predestination.
What if Churchill & Hitler were the guys who arose in place of two guys who did die young?
Observation: There only ever has to be one Time Travelers Convention.
I went.
It was boring as all get out. Just a bunch of guys standing around bragging about “I saved the universe when I saved that butterfly/ killed that dictator/ invented the can opener/ closed the switch…” on and on, ad nauseum.
I left after a few minutes (subjective). They didn’t even spring for an open bar!
Thanks for the info. Now I don’t have to go.
While you were there, did you run into yourself?
No, but I’m thinking of going back earlier and spiking the punch!
Maybe I’ll say ‘hi’, and paradox myself outa there!
This video was so good, I went back in time to watch it again!
This discussion was fascinating …. Love it!! Thanks, Gentlemen!
Cindy
How wonderful it is to be a theoretical physicist. You can create equations out of thin air, perform no experiments, and reality bends to your equations. You can publish your equations without any evidence behind them and you become famous and get endless government grants to do more of the same.
I say “Get a real job! Earn your keep. Stop being a total parasite on the rest of us.” Otherwise you don’t deserve one cent of publicly extorted wealth. Your mathematical Proofs depend only on your assumptions. Prove your assumptions are true at your own expense or STFU!