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The Morality of Meat: It’s What’s for Dinner…if You’re a Racist, Misogynistic Homophobe

If you’re not a vegetarian, you’re part of the problem.

The Morality of Meat: It's What's for Dinner...if You're a Racist, Misogynistic Homophobe

If you’re not a vegetarian, you’re part of the problem. You’re a racist, misogynistic homophobe who needs to move beyond meat. Vegan virtue signaling…it’s what’s for dinner. 

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40 replies on “The Morality of Meat: It’s What’s for Dinner…if You’re a Racist, Misogynistic Homophobe”

The gender stuff … and the race stuff … only have anything to do with Marxism is that it’s a means of tearing down the current order. The whole “oppressor/oppressed” dichotomy in Marxism exists for this purpose. In order to establish their utopia, they need to destroy the order that exists. I’m not making this up, it’s in their literature. It is the entire purpose of Frankfurt Critical Theory, from which CRT, Critical Queer Theory, Critical Feminist Theory … that’s all this is.

This doesn’t mean that the “utopia” they create will have any of these aspects. Although … what typically happens is the narrative used to usher in the utopia becomes the defacto “religion” of the state. So I wouldn’t be surprised to see these things stick around as a means of control.

Bill, I grew up raising chickens. They’re not much smarter than worms. You’re good. Steak … well, if God hadn’t meant us to eat beef, he woudn’t have made it so damned tasty. Oh, they’re smarter than chickens. But we’ve established that’s not saying much.

I believe in being as humane as possible with animals when we slaughter them. And I’ve done it. I don’t enjoy killing … at all. But I don’t feel guilty about it.

Anthropomorphizing … yes … that’s a huge part of it. And … all parrots dancing means is that rhythm is far more deeply engrained in us in the animal kingdom than maybe we think. It’s more of an instinct. Now we as humans take that instinct and expound upon it into ballet and all kinds of other interpretive stuff … yeah, animals don’t have that. Not anything even close to what humans have. But its rooted in something instinctive.

Re: eating meat means you’re a misogynist … when you’re holding a hammer … everything looks like a nail.

One of the fallacies believed by most animal rights activists is that hunters enjoy killing. I suppose there will always be a few that do, but in my experience, they are the exception. I’ve hunted and fished all my life and the only thing I don’t enjoy about it is that an animal has to die. But that’s the reality for all the meat we eat. Every person I’ve ever hunted with has had that same view – we call it hunter’s remorse. But the animals we kill have lived cage free lives, are generally more mature, near the ends of their lives, are killed quickly and humanely, and the meat is far less impacted by steroids, antibiotics, and other chemicals introduced to artificially enhance the weights or marketability of the final product. As for the “beyond meat” stuff, everything about it is artificial – and we already know how nutritious that stuff is.
The other aspect of big game hunting is that for the cost of a hunting license (which goes to habitat conservation), a couple bullets, and a five-day campout, you can put two or three hundred pounds of meat in your freezer.

I’ve been thinking a lot recently about the vegetarian/vegan products that emulate meat. Here in the UK there is a company called the Vegetarian Butcher, who pride themselves on vegetable products indistinguishable from meat This is a selling point for many vegetarian products.

Think about that. Some folk have made the decision not to eat meat for health or other reasons, fair enough, but the great majority seem to be doing so for moral reasons. We are told loudly and frequently that killing animals for our food is wrong, morally repugnant, cruel etc. etc. As the saying goes, meat is murder.

If this is the case, then isn’t a moral vegetarian eating food that is deliberately emulating meat not just ironic and amusing, but really rather creepy? Doesn’t it rather suggest that they do not truly believe what they say?

I have read a good deal more about the history and practice of cannibalism than most folk (the idea that the native cannibal is a Victorian myth is itself a modernist myth). Although it interests me it still repels me, but I would say I’m more acclimatised to the idea of it than most. Nevertheless, the famous scene in the film The Cook, the Thief, His Wife and Her Lover still turns my stomach. I’ve eaten a number of exotic meats, but f I were presented with a joint of pork cooked and presented to emulate human flesh I know I would be revolted by it. Eating involves not just our sense of taste, and very much smell, but also our eyes and our minds.

The fact that that so many vegetarians/vegans chew happily on bacon, burgers and sausages that are deliberately emulating meat gives weight to the argument that much of today’s V/V culture is politically motivated and part of the knee jerk rejection of all that is traditional.

Very, very good points all. Thanks Davy, as far as what you said goes you nailed it.

There’s a restaurant in Monterey Park, CA called “Happy Family”. It’s pure vegan, using Buddhist recipes. Most of their dishes are amazing matches for real meat dishes. So Vegan Buddhists are determined to avoid eating meat, but they have invented unbelievable substitutes.

Bill, don’t be bothered about birds eating other birds. Our mini-macaw’s favorite food is chicken. Many birds hunt and eat meat. I am a committed omnivore with meat as a top priority. Love the veggies and fruit, but wave some bacon in front of me and you’ll lose the bacon and the tips of your fingers as well. 😛

Something to think about. I picked up some food at my local food bank. There were three packages of meat in my bag. Two were real meat and one was a pound of beyond burger or the impossible burger. The labels were taken off, but I’ve seen them in the stores.

I thought I would try it, just to say I did. I opened the package, hardly any smell and didn’t look right and the texture was nothing like ground beef. It was more like ground putty. I took out a heaping tablespoon of it and fried it with no seasonings. It barely had a scent of a smell. and when I mash it with the spatula, I thought of soft rubber.

I pinched about a half a teaspoon off and put it in my mouth UGH!, there was really nothing there, no real taste and the texture is hard to explain. I offered it to my cats and they were not having it and they looked at me like I was nuts. I took the rest still in the opened package and put it in the fridge just like it was, opened.

Two weeks later, no change at all, five weeks later, still the same. No smell, no change in color, no rotting. On the sixth week, the same and on the eighth week, there was a little liquefying and some parts of this stuff was starting to meld with itself.

Ten week later, there was a slight smell and more melding and liquefying, but more than half was still in tact. Come on people, even real plants rot in less time than that and “they” claim it’s “plant base”. By then I knew there was no way I would ever touch this stuff again, much less eat it. True story.

I’m reminded of the cow on the menu at Miliways – the restaurant at the end of the universe in the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy.

Conservative ideology has nothing to do with what diet one chooses to eat. Whatever diet an individual chooses should be their own choice.  It should not be dictated by government nor should they try to force their choices on others. 
The question of the physiology defining herbivore, carnivore or omnivore is a totally different issue.  I’ll briefly say that Homo Sapien is a primate and primates are primarily herbivores.  Herbivores can eat meat (animal fat) but they get arterial disease, colon cancer, breast cancer etc., as it is not the diet that they are, through evolution, physiologically adapted to. Carnivores do not get arterial disease from eating a high animal fat diet. If herbivores (like pigs, rabbits etc.) are fed animal fat and get arterial disease, but if put back on their herbivore diet, the plaques go away. This is why some cardiac rehab diets reduce or eliminate the animal fat intake. 
The issue of animal feelings as those between a mother and it’s puppies, kittens, calves, piglets; or feelings of happiness, fear, love, anger etc. likewise, is something individual humans should resolve with themselves and not attach them to political issues of racism or gender ambiguity. Being a vegetarian or vegan doesn’t make one woke or a progressive liberal, just like eating meat doesn’t make one a conservative. 

Unrepentant voracious carnivore here …

There’s no reason to be ashamed or think yourself hypocritical if you don’t like to kill your own meat.

I grew up on a farm so I’m a bit hardened to slaughtering animals for meat but that doesn’t mean I enjoy it. It’s just one more unpleasant part of the job of raising animals but nowhere near the most unpleasant. Slaughter is over pretty quickly and is just one phase in the process of procuring food. Then comes butchering and I like butchering meat and packaging it up so I can eat it later. Having a cow or a pig hanging hide-less in the shed brings back memories of knowing I and my family would eat during the coming winter.

I’ve also hunted and killed over 100 big game animals, I don’t know how far over because I stopped keeping count when I hit that number. These include a majority of whitetail deer with black bear, antelope, elk and bison also included.

I’ve always been a meat hunter as opposed to a trophy hunter but I have no problem with trophy hunting as long as the animal isn’t wasted. It’s a sin in my book to waste meat, something died so you could eat. That doesn’t mean I won’t take a nice trophy given the option either. I’ve got a few amazing racks on the wall but I used every edible portion of the animals they came from. I’m not a virtue signalling meat hunter who is disdainful of a trophy simply because it’s a trophy.

If all you’re after is a trophy and you leave the usable parts of the animal to rot then I’m against doing that but … Those sorts are actually quite rare. I’m old and I’ve never met one in all my years of hunting and travelling around the world.

I’m not even going to speculate on how many smaller game animals I’ve taken, the number is pretty high. When I was much younger my family always hunted (and fished) for the table because what little spare time we had was well spent that way. If you had the time and for the price of a cartridge or a shell every game animal taken was one of our farm animals that we could sell instead of eat ourselves.

When my Dad was young his Mom, my Grandma, would give him two shells and tell him to come back with two (pheasants, rabbits, ducks, whatever). We weren’t quite that poor when I was young but the lesson was well learned and I rarely came home with fewer animals than ammo expended. Even when that did happen it was part of the learning process for me and I strove not to make the mistake that was the result of again.

I love hunting. It’s peaceful and quiet, or at least it was for me. It’s a great time to pray and I don’t mean “Dear Lord, please let me kill a deer.” sort of praying. It’s just a great opportunity to have a quiet conversation with God out in his great Creation.

It was always wonderful being outdoors usually alone but sometimes with my Dad or a cousin to spend the time with. I can’t even imagine how many hours I’ve sat quietly in a deer stand or a field. I used to sit in the exact center of a hayfield with a perfectly tuned ‘scoped 30-06 and perfectly matched handloaded ammo that allowed me to reach anything on the periphery of that field. In that field I was far enough away that my presence didn’t spook the deer (or bear) and when I took the shot it was like a light switch being thrown to “off” for the animal. Field or forest the quarry died peacefully and instantly 99% of the time never knowing I was there. The other 1% might need a second shot just for humane purposes. A hit from a high powered rifle doesn’t hurt, it’s so powerful and does so much nerve damage that the target doesn’t feel anything but a sudden weakness followed by a quick fade to black.

I’ve bow hunted quite a bit too and the same goes for an arrow strike. Except instead of it being a powerful destructive impact the arrow’s broadhead is so sharp it’s exactly like when you cut yourself on a razor blade. Either way, I learned as a very, very young man not to take a shot I wasn’t absolutely, positively certain of.

So not only do I not agree with any of the premises of vegetarianism, I have no respect in that area for someone who refuses to eat meat on “moral grounds”. The way I see it, there just aren’t any “moral grounds” for vegetarianism.

If you don’t want to eat meat then don’t. You can afford that choice in the modern First World but don’t you dare tell me or anyone else not to either. That’s a personal choice you can only make personally for your own self and it’s best kept to yourself because the only reason to make an issue of it is some sort of ignorant, misguided virtue signalling and it is not a virtue of any sort. Except in your own mind.

Thank you so much for covering this topic. Many in my extended family share the ideology of veganism, in the very ways you describe, and I’ve never felt I had a good response to their positions. I hate “factory farming” as much as anyone, but I don’t see a viable alternative. As you pointed out, our bodies were created to use meat, just as lions and other animals do.
I’m so grateful for all the work you’ve done on the Virtue Signal, and on all the other BWDC venues. Please keep them coming!

I’m a vegetarian but I love meat. I don’t eat it due to factory farming. When raised for food, they suffer their ENTIRE lives (not just at slaughter) and I think those natural chemicals may transfer to my brain, maybe. They live in cages. Also I was raised on Disney movies…. Zoe, I eat Beyond B’s cause I really miss meat. I also think it’s really difficult for males to not eat meat.

The left thinks is nothing is choice. This is a choice

There’s plenty of animal protein available that didn’t come from “factory farming” if that’s what concerns you. No offense and I’m not picking on you but I have a hard time believing that any modern adult human could not be aware of such resources. Are you sure that’s the reason you don’t eat meat? Because if it is, then I can solve that problem for you.

So … There’s this thing called a search engine and when I use that to look up “non-factory farmed meat” I find a category called “Certified Humane, Raised and Handled”. Which has a ton of listings for brands and stores where you can buy the kind of meat that does not have you spooked.

I can personally recommend a friend of mine’s Buffalo Ranch raised American Bison. Bison is delicious, healthy and a traditional meat. It’s leaner than beef and has a very nice, delicate beef-like flavor. It can be substituted for beef in any beef dish. My buddy’s ranch is open range on several hundred acres where the bison are contained by very large fences fabricated from sewer pipe on the perimeter.

Within the bounds of that property the bison live as they would have before Europeans came to the Great Plains with the exception that they are fed supplemental hay to offset the fact that they can’t roam the wide prairies for forage. None of them are in any sort of terror, none of them are suffering in any way. Ever.

I can assure you from personal experience that a terrified American bison is not something you want to deal with because that animal is terrifying when it’s upset.

Bison isn’t terribly expensive in comparison to beef and there are quite a few places like the one my friend owns. If you do a little research they’re not hard to find.

If you don’t want to try bison then there’s a lot of beef raised in Montana and Wyoming the old fashioned way too. The same goes for the rest of the various sorts of meat too. I particularly like pasture raised lamb myself.

There. Problem solved. You can go back to eating the meat you love again. It might be slightly more expensive than the price of unknown origin meat in a supermarket so maybe you don’t get to eat as much of it — But there’s absolutely no need to let the reason you gave for being a vegetarian stop you from eating good, wholesome meat.

I have a coworker here in SW VA who has a cattle farm. They are also free roaming on his property. He takes care of the calves like pets. I split one that was ready for slaughter (cow not calf) with two other coworkers a couple years back, very good and much leaner than typical in the store.
Does your friend ship? I like bison as well.

Yeah, he ships but he’s a smaller scale operation and his harvest is sold out a couple years in advance. He’s been operating and selling at capacity for years. Makes a good family business model for an agricultural enterprise.

I like buffalo (bison) a lot too. It’s really good meat, both very nutritious and very, very tasty. It’s easy to see why the Plains Indians liked it so much.

Besides if I gave you his contact info that would kind of negate the purpose of not using my real name on the internet. 😉

There are quite a few buffalo ranches that ship meat, a lot of them all they do is online sales in addition to their local store, if they even have that. They’re fairly easy to find online.

One place I’ve dealt with in the past and had good luck is Wild Idea Buffalo Company. They’re out of So. Dakota and I’ve never been disappointed. I’d post a link except it’s poor form to advertise for someone else’s product on a site like this one but you can find it online very easily but pasting that name in a search engine.

Seriously? I should have thought of that! 🤨 But, I don’t want to start eating expensive meats via FedEx, now that I’m detoxed. Thanks for your suggestion.

Meat isn’t toxic. The Inuit and Aleut people throve for millennia on a diet of virtually nothing but meat. They lived long and healthy lives that would be the envy of a Western cosmopolitan.

I didn’t say you HAD to get meat by FedEx, I said you could if you want to. I guess you chose to ignore the part about how to get the list of stores and producers where you can find humanely handled meat without any mail order being involved?

If you just don’t want to eat meat then don’t. That’s your decision and that’s fine as it stands. You don’t need to look for excuses for why you don’t eat meat. You certainly don’t need to provide excuses but if you do …

I have a buddy whose wife, admittedly a bit of nut, claims to be vegetarian. She makes him get an extra burger from the drive-through, takes the meat out of the bun and freakin’ licks it. She won’t eat it, oh no, OMG no, heaven forbid that actual flesh cells from animals would ever slither down her gullet. If a bit of dissolved, liquified fat and cooked blood happens to accidentally enter her body while she’s practicing her vegetarianism well that can’t be helped. Then she tosses the meat so that part of that animal is wasted.

This is no reflection on you and I don’t mean it that way, just to be clear. I don’t know you and I can’t speak to the state of your personality so I’m not doing that. Obviously. Because I can’t.

That said, it’s been my experience that vegetarians, at least all of them that I’ve gotten to know personally, tend to be a bit nutty and more than a little fruity. I don’t know if the diet causes the nuttiness or the nuttiness gravitates to the diet. But if you look for it there’s almost always something else going on behind the dietary choice. (Again, this is nothing personal. You may be the exception and obviously I do not know every vegetarian in the entire universe.)

In sales training (and this applies to other things too, I’m not and never have been a salesman) the salesperson is taught that the customer wants to and will buy something, that’s why they’re there. It’s the salesperson’s job to “help” them decide to buy what he’s selling.

In the process the sales people are trained to look for “objections” from the potential customer. The customer indicates a reason why they’re not convinced to buy, they “object”.

The salesperson then tries to overcome that objection by providing solutions, or making logical points, or other means of negating an objection so that the process can move on to the next objection to be surmounted or culminate in a sale.

Salespeople are trained that when an objection has been solidly overcome and it crops up again, it’s not an objection it’s an excuse. You can overcome an objection by solving the reason for it but you cannot overcome an excuse. Because an excuse is not susceptible to reasoning, it’s not the real cause for refusal it is the person standing on their refusal.

They’re not actually saying “I can’t/won’t because …” they’re just saying “I won’t and here’s a polite reason for you to let me not. Please accept this excuse so as not to make me uncomfortable.”

If they claim the cost of the item is outside their budget, the salesman overcomes that by determining what their budget is and steering them to an item that fits that criteria. If they claim they don’t like the color, the salesman provides color options to choose from. Etc., you get the idea I’m sure.

When someone starts offering excuses instead of objections the sale is lost and the salesperson should politely disengage and go look for another customer.

I recognize this behavior when I see it but I’m not a salesperson and I am generally not sanguine with politely accepting excuses for a couple reasons. First of all it’s not honest communication it’s a cop-out. If someone is not going to be honest with themselves and others then why even address the topic?

Secondly it is in a way a form of calling me stupid because if someone thinks I’m dumb enough to accept a dumb excuse then that is a bit insulting. (This BTW is why I would never make a good salesman.)

Do you see how this applies here? You said you love meat but didn’t eat it for a specific reason. I told you how and where you could find meat meeting your criteria and removed that reason. You came back with an excuse that ignored the fact that you could go buy meat in a local store and how to find it. Or order it online if you wanted to.

A little of your real attitude shown through the fog when you called meat “toxic”. Meat is not toxic, it’s wholesome and you have to be very careful if you omit meat from your diet to get the right things from plants that meat would have supplied. Being a careless vegetarian can be every bit as toxic and bad for your health as being a careless consumer of meats. One is no better than the other, healthwise. Humans are omnivores so some of the care needed is simply negated thereby. It’s still a good idea to watch your diet no matter what.

Too, you sort of poo-pooed “getting meat by FedEx”, which is a bit of a discontinuity. Meat (and everything else) travels from processing facility to store by truck. Meat travels from processing facility to your home by truck. There’s no practical, realistic difference.

Unless there’s no one home when the FedEx man comes and of course no one would want to leave that delivery in the sun for several hours if that’s the case. So back to the fact that I told you how you could find meat locally if you wanted it. If “getting meat by FedEx” doesn’t work for you there’s still that choice which would. That’s a prime example of an excuse.

My point here is that you’re not being completely honest with yourself or the rest of us on this topic. You don’t have to give or even have a reason for the choice to eat meat or not, that’s solely your own purview and you’re very welcome to it. However, if you do give reasons and those reasons are clearly not based in fact then you have no complaint if that is pointed out to you as I have done.

There are topics that I will not or cannot for various reasons be completely open and honest about on this forum. I simply let those go and don’t have to make any excuses at all thereby.

Do you see my point(s)? I assure you I’m making them in a voice that is helpful and informative so please read what I said in that same voice.

One last time, I’m not criticizing you, I’m not picking on you, I’m not disparaging you, I mean no offense and nothing hostile at all. I’m just pointing out some things, some methods and some reasons, that you may not have considered in a more than superficial light.

Thank you Acts! It’s ok, no offense was taken. Oh, I’m a nut alright. I was certified about 65 years ago. I’m not fruity though. You gave me so much attention in your response that I’m blushing. Thanks for all the knowledge and information, I will reconsider. (PS., I don’t think meat is toxic, I used “detox” tongue in cheek

You’re welcome and thank you for taking what I said in the helpful spirit I intended to convey.

I hope that if you weren’t aware of it before now you’ll notice the objection vs. excuse behavior when you see it. It’s one of many tools that are quite helpful in understanding what people are actually thinking or intending and it’s a fairly simple concept to grasp and apply.

CARNAVORS FOREVER!! LOL AMEN!! (The vast majority of these vegetarian/vegan idiots are perfectly fine with slaughtering innocent HUMAN children in the womb.) 

A note on hunting being more humane: Pennypack Park, Philadelphia, December 1990. There had been deer in the park for 300 years. A news story broke about the deer in the park being too many for the park to sustain. Now the deer are starving, becoming a nuisance as they scavenged through people’s trashcans looking for food, getting sick and dying of dieases from our food.
The city called in hunters to thin the population. PETA protested this. One brilliant young scientist proposed a solution: contraceptives. It might work, except that it would leave the herd starving for another winter, scavenging trash, dying of disease. How humane is that?
The hunters are actually needed to restore the natural balance since humans removed the deer’s natural predators.

This absurd idea that if left to their own devices then game animals would thrive all on their own is one I often encounter in city people and anti-hunter types.

There are very few things as “natural” as a human being hunting and killing his own meat. Somehow humans don’t seem to qualify as “natural” for some strange reason I’ve never been able to fathom. Perhaps it’s because those humans opposed to hunting are raised and dwell in a wholly unnatural environment …

For many people the only “nature” they ever experience is on a two week vacation and most don’t even bother to get that much time in anything that could be considered wild. Yet they hold themselves as experts on what should be done with the wild. It makes no sense.

Hunting supports the hunted financially and this is a big deal. A portion of the cost of every cartridge, fish hook, hunting garb, rod, reel or firearm (etc.) goes to pay for management of game. The license fees are almost all dedicated to that management. That management maintains game herds at sustainable, proper levels and licenses are issued to thin the herd and keep it healthy. There are never licences or limits issued that will reduce the game population to unfavorable levels for the game itself.

If it were not for regulated sport hunting there would be no game animals to speak of. I grew up in Minnesota and due to subsistence hunting in the Depression game animals were very rare south of the Minnesota River. It took decades to bring those populations back and even as late as the 1960’s it was rare to see a whitetail deer. Because after the Depression ended the game populations followed their “natural” boom and bust cycles. Due to regulated, controlled sport hunters whitetail deer are now quite common in that area.

More animals live and live well due to hunters. It’s a net gain for everyone except those who think that animal populations should be left to their own “natural” means. I don’t care about those people because they’re not compassionate, they’re ignorant.

In the NYC suburb where I grew up and is now ludicrously progressive, the deer population is not managed well, because hunters are evil.
Every few cycles there is a population boom that leads to way too many deer; lots of car accidents, dead malnourished animals, etc.
Invariably, some “compassionate” progressive will protest the allowing hunters to cull the population. The suggestion (I swear I am not making this up) is to re-introduce Cougars into the area to hunt the deer. Because the Cougar knows the difference between a deer or a dog or cat or toddler. Usually this yahoo has never seen a Cougar in person and does not realize that these animals can be larger than the average adult female human.
I heard a guy at a party when I was a teen suggest Bobcats, because they are smaller. Big enough to mess with me if unarmed. Fast, too.
Progressives are idiots.

I’ve seen cougars in the wild and even had a close up and personal encounter with one in the middle of the night camping by a creek in the wilds south of Prescott, AZ. It’s an animal to be respected for what it can do, no doubt about that.

Now, that said, I’m happy to let cougars eat Leftist reality deniers all day long. They take one or two a year in the hills around Los Angeles and welcome to ’em as far as I’m concerned. I do feel more than a little sorry for their pets that get et though, it’s not a dog or cat’s fault if its owner is bone stupid.

I can’t think of any better way for a Greenie to prove how much they love the environment than sacrificing their own lives by being eaten. The animal gets fed, the human population experiences Darwinian selection — It’s a big win for everyone as far as I’m concerned.

More of that would be better. Don’t try to convince that kind of person that introducing cougars to their local tree lots and mall dumpsters is a bad idea.

I’ve been wanting to try that Beyond Whopper for a while now. Just to see what the deal is. But to get to Burger King, I’d have to make a left across traffic. Too much bother.

Ha, ha. Had to turn LEFT.
Leave the fast food alone anyway. That is not good for us.

It is not very fast, since the LEFT turn takes a ridiculous amount of time in traffic; and once the LEFT turn is made, it’s very difficult to undo.
Definitely not worth the fake meat taste test.

Beyond Burgers are really good (for us raised on meat now vegetarians) However, much worse for the environment than the animals. There’s a documentary called “Beyond Impossible” about the trend

Zo, I think you need to reread the Word. There was no death before The Fall. Every animal was made to eat plants. Scientists are recently confirming this. Mankind wasn’t authorized to eat meat until after the Flood.

Amen. Adam’s unfallen mind was perfectly capable of understanding the message of THE PERFECT Communicator, i.e. God.

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