I just saw an article that matter-of-factly talked about this craft as if it was common knowledge that it existed. When I was in the Army (as an intelligence analyst with a TS/SCI clearance) I saw aircraft that didn’t yet exist, yet we were using them, so this is plausible. And many people have seen large, black, triangles in the sky so it likely exists, and has been used for years.
According to this website the TR-3B aircraft “is a high altitude, stealth, reconnaissance platform with an indefinite loiter time.”
https://theeventchronicle.com/secret-plane-tr-3b-patent/
Supposed patent:
https://archive.org/details/US20060145019A1/mode/2up
10 replies on “TR-3B or UFO?”
What I’m going to say here is just gibberish, but the article describes something that is very close to something I dreamed about way back in the 60’s, and tried to build. Back then, however, I was still in high school, didn’t have the technical skills to build it, and didn’t even know where the idea came from.
I simply woke up one day with the idea in my head that I should build a device consisting of a series of electromagnets, arranged in a ring. Then, each of those magnets were suppose to spin, producing a toroidal magnetic field that would continually turns itself inside out. That field was supposed to then manipulate a plasma torus in such a way that it would cause a disruption in the local gravitational field.
This was all stuff that I knew absolutely nothing about and I did not even know what a plasma was nor that magnetic fields have anything to do with them. I just woke up one day with this wierd idea in my head and now, almost 60 years later, it sounds a lot like this TR-3B device.
Even though most of my PhD dissertation was related to plasma physics and most of my theoretical research was about plasmas, I haven’t thought about that mysterious “dream” device until I read that article just now.
How weird is that?
Make it happen!
What you didn’t say is whether there is any hope, based on what you know about plasma physics today, of a device like that having any prayer of working.
I’m pretty “sciency” but I don’t have anything like a PhD like you do. I’m applying what I know to this discussion and clearly you know a lot more. I’ll defer to your greater knowledge. We are all better at some things than other people are and it’s just plain silly to act like that’s not so.
Having said that, just going by what you did say, the concept that the article claims provides propulsion and lift for this supposed aircraft seems so much like your described juvenile misconceptions that I can’t help but draw some conclusions from that in the absence of more information.
As far as I know mankind has not yet discovered anything that will in any way nullify gravity, probably because while we know what gravity does we don’t have any serious clues yet on what gravity actually is on the atomic forces level.
Any amplification you can provide would be appreciated. At least by me.
I’m inclined to think that my dream was probably inspired by something I saw on TV or read about in a UFO magazine.
However, to your point about plasmas and gravity: I recall somewhere back around 1990, there was a plasma physicist who claimed that an experiment he was working on, produced a small but measurable change in gravity. Of course, it was greeted with great skepticism and I think it went the way of cold fusion. But, I don’t know. I didn’t follow it.
Meanwhile, according to Einstein’s theory of General Relativity, gravity is a consequence of the dynamical nature of four dimensional space. Four dimensional space is always moving and gravity is a manifestation of that dynamic seen from a three dimensional perspective. According to the theory, the shape of four dimensional space is affected by the presence of mass while the trajectory of a mass is affected by the shape of four dimensional space. It is not obvious that plasmas have anything to do with that dynamic.
Over the past few years, I’ve been developing a finite element model of 4-D space. This model will allow one to solve general relativity problems without needing to solve the field equations directly. Instead, it produces a simulation of four dimensional space and the masses therein. So far, I have a working three-dimensional (x,y,t) model. It seems to produce gravity correctly so, I am confident. But I need to get the four-dimensional (x,y,z,t) version going so that I can compare its metrics against analytic theories. What would be cool about this, if it works, is that it would bring General Relativity to the masses, so to speak. Just setup your problem and push the button.
The dynamics of 4-D space is also what controls the propagation of electromagnetic waves. But, it is not clear that electromagnetic waves can affect the shape of space the way mass does. However, electric and magnetic fields do control plasma, and plasmas have mass. So, maybe, if the plasma is relativistic, it can drag or distort the local 4-D space. Probably not.
So the short answer is …
No. This thing, whatever it is, is not something that would work according to the way the article describes it working. Which makes the description in the article pseudo-scientific gobbledygook along the same lines as the Electric Universe.
My point in asking was that I wanted to be sure there had not been some amazing breakthrough in plasma physics that I had somehow missed. I’m not science illiterate but I also don’t have a PhD in plasma physics so it never hurts to check with someone who does.
That’s what ‘being aware of what you don’t know’ is all about.
The answer to accusations of pseudo-scientific gobbledygook is often “it’s a government secret”. People who have worked with the government generally have the measure of what can and what cannot be kept secret. The identity of an operative can be kept secret, the particulars of world altering technology cannot. The government, any government, is just not that powerful or that good at keeping such things secret.
I always love it when I see that sort of thing. It’s hilarious. One of my favorites is that if a significant extraterrestrial impactor was inbound the ‘government’ wouldn’t tell us to avoid panic. Like there are not thousands of high powered telescopes all over the world and literally millions of lesser powered telescopes in private hands. I own three myself, a 10 inch Dob, a 6 inch Mat-Cas and a 6 inch reflector.
The very idea that the ‘government’ could shut up a career making discovery by a scientist is ridiculous.
Different scale but the same goes for physics discoveries. There are a lot of physicists and the idea of keeping them all silent is absurd. If you don’t get a visit in the next few days by men in suits who tell you to shut up about this stuff that would prove my point. If this supposed “T-3B” aircraft were a real thing, and a ‘government secret’ then the website where the article Troy linked to would be quietly disappeared.
That such a website exists is de facto proof the thing it describes is not real.
I totally agree with what you said. Also, I’m a strong believer in the phrase, “Good enough for government work.” Meaning that government is just not very good at anything.
Hah, so true …
When three people know something it might be a secret. But only if one kills the other two the minute they learn the secret.
This is why I put very little stock in lunatic fringe conspiracy theories. Especially those that depend on large numbers of human beings keeping a secret. Which is not bloody likely. Human beings are blabbermouths and many are absurdly gullible. Facts which can be easily exploited if you want to learn other people’s secrets.
LIke I said to Troy, there are a lot of observations of this triangular thing reported by credible witnesses. This makes it likely they’re not all nuts or hallucinating. It’s the conclusions people draw from these reports that I find suspect.
“It’s an unknown device that defies all human science. So it must be an alien spacecraft.”
Oh? It’s unknown, that means we don’t know what it is. People only think they know what it is because that is what the limits of their imagination and education tell them. What if it’s something they can’t imagine? The odds are better that’s the case than that it’s something that has crossed the vast interstellar deeps just to tease human beings. That seems like a silly waste of a remarkable capacity to me.
If these things are alien spacecraft, or derived from alien spacecraft, then those aliens are pretty freakin’ stupid. Or have a wicked, dark sense of humor.
Interesting article but it’s B.S. A rotating plasma ring antigravity generator? Really? Just what do you suppose powers that device? Antimatter? To create and contain a large amount of plasma in a supercooled, superconducting state would take more power generation equipment than can be carried by an aircraft, any aircraft.
If antigravity could be created and sustained by the rotation of cooled plasma that would be the biggest propulsive breakthrough ever achieved by science. Too big to contain in a government secret.
You’ve worked for the government, so have I. It’s never been my impression that the government was particularly good at anything. Including keeping world changing secrets.
Not only that, but the government is so bad at keeping secrets that they let someone get hold of the plans and patents for this supposedly miraculous aircraft … I’m not buying this.
Any time you run across some “miraculous” technology your bullshit alarm should be going off. It’s the ol’ “If you can’t dazzle ’em with brilliance, baffle ’em with bullshit” scenario.
I didn’t get into the mechanics of how such an aircraft would get off the ground, just the fact that a lot of people have seen this shape of craft, and a lot of military people at that. “Attention to detail,” was something I had drilled into me as an enlisted soldier and I used it in pretty much everything I did (still do today), and here’s a video detailing what many members of the military have seen, regarding the triangle-shaped craft and their recollections of it:
https://rumble.com/v3eo7cv-low-flying-ufo-sightings-near-air-force-bases-the-usaf-and-the-tr-3b.html
They all saw something very similar, and this is just the people who came forward, you know there are many more. I remember the first time I saw the B-2 bomber in the air (in the 1990s), it was an awesome experience. Had I seen it at a time when the public had no knowledge of such an aircraft I would have described a “UFO.” I’ve often thought about some of the toys our government has that the public knows nothing about, and it kind of freaks me out a bit. Who knows what they’ve been making since the uniparty/globalists have held power.
I don’t think I made myself clear. I’m not denying that there are some sort of unknown/unidentified triangular objects being seen and reported by credible people. I think there’s enough evidence to support those sightings. At least to the point where a healthy dose of prudence begs further inquiry.
That’s not my position, I’m not saying that people are not seeing something. It’s the conclusions they draw from what they’ve seen that I generally take exception to.
Anecdotal accounts and blurry, grainy photographs are cause for further investigation but do not constitute hard proof of anything.
As you have worked in an intelligence capacity you are certainly aware that things are often not what they seem and are very often made to seem something they are not. Indeed, this is such a well known application that it absolutely must be applied where hard proof is absent. It is far more likely that whatever these things are they are not what they seem and are being made to seem something they are not than that we have any firm basis to draw any conclusions as to their actual nature.
My confidence in the attributed nature of these things, taking into account human biases and a vigorous propensity for unmerited credulity, is very low.
The general consensus regarding these particular triangular shaped UAPs is that they are “reverse engineered from alien craft”. That’s where the conclusions as to the nature of these things falls down. That’s where description of what these things are and how they work crosses into the realm of pseudoscientific gibberish. The introduction of pseudoscientific gibberish is more than sufficient cause for skepticism.
That’s an important detail that requires attention.
These and other UAP phenomena have been described, with unrestrained rationalization, as everything from alien spacecraft or a derivative, to temporal anomalies, to anomalous physics, to demonic entities. All these rationalizations appear valid on their face unless you bear in mind that there is no actual, objective proof for any of them. It’s merely a matter of what one prefers to believe, not what is actually proven to be so.
In short — People are seeing something but what they’re seeing is to date impossible to determine from the evidence available. The information is almost all subjective and with very, very little objective information to support drawing any conclusions. Even the photographic evidence that is available indicates they exist without providing any clues as to their actual nature.
The human mind has a remarkable capacity to fill in blanks when it comes to unknowns. That doesn’t make the conclusions based on those blanks correct.
My position therefor is that until some proof is forthcoming we simply do not know what these things are. I’m content to say I don’t know and I don’t think anyone else does either. There are things we don’t know and this is one of them. I’m very interested in this topic and I’ve been looking for hard evidence for decades. If such evidence exists I have not yet been able to find it.