President Trump says he takes ‘the hydroxy’ — hydroxychloroquine — despite the fact that the FDA has not approved any treatment or preventative medication for COVID-19. Should the president tell us he takes an unapproved drug with risk of deadly side effects?
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37 replies on “Trump on ‘the Hydroxy’: Should President Tell Us He Takes Unapproved Drug?”
This is the first BW I have shut down before it finished. Bill, the format of the show needs to be reworked. If you aren’t prepared to respond, just say so and Scot, have an alternate question ready. Now, the last I heard, President Trump was taking the medication under a physicians guidance. Indeed, I don’t know how he could get it without a prescription. It is not an OTC drug. And, if the President is able to obtain and self-administer a drug without a prescription, he is sending a truly dangerous message from his “bully pulpit”
Hey, a doctor here. Like many in medicine, I work with a lot of (Asian) Indian physicians. (Thank God it is still cool to be a doctor in that culture!) A Cardiologist with no political ax to grind told me that in the Country of India they did use Hydroxychloroquine prophylactically. It helped a lot of healthcare professionals not die. But he mentioned that a fourth year medical student died in her sleep and they thought that it might be from a drug side effect combined with her having an underlying heart condition that was undiagnosed. Another (good-ole boy Southern) cardiologist friend of mine went up to volunteer at the Bronx hospital and said that the main thing that he was doing was taking people off of meds that could affect their heart rhythm. A percentage of CoViD-19 patients get hyper-reactive electrical issues with their hearts and this makes them dangerously sensitive to otherwise very safe medications.
Like it or not, even safe meds can be dangerous and we have to take the good with the bad. Issues like this will make certain doctors very hesitant to use this very effective medication, even though these numbers are small.
Trump should definitely use Hydroxychloroquine if it has any preventative properties; we cannot afford to have him or Pence go down with COVID.
I am absolutely sure it is with his physicians approval.
Any decent wartime President would find & demonstrate a winning strategy over the enemy, not impotence. Trump has announced and is using winning strategy, infuriating Democrats.
Democrats are invested in impotence. Sad pathetic evil Democrats.
Dr. Zelenko is indeed doing prophylactic treatment with the “Zelenko Cocktail” and is readying publication of his “Anecdotal” treatment results. He is having his report “Vaccinated” by professionals with the awareness that it will be savaged in review by certain operatives in the Medical complex.
As regards President Trump, he is doing what good Leaders do.
Things are working well on my laptop, on both Ipad and Iphone, just about anything I press (read more- contact- comment) results in a thing coming in from the side that blots out half the screen and prevents me from doing anything except backing out.
John, can you send me a private message about this so we can get if figured out. I’m working on the tablet and mobile interface, which has never worked optimally, and in the process of making it better, it may temporarily be worse. I’d appreciate your help.
It’s the mobile menu. Clicking anywhere on the page, rather than just on the hamburger, causes it to open and there’s no way to close it again.
I understand, RG, thanks. I’ll keep you posted on progress via private message. I appreciate your patience.
Last night Tucker Carlson said about Pelosi’s ‘obese’ comment ‘People with glass faces shouldn’t throw stones’ LOL
Was it here on this website that I saw a video interview of Dr. Zelenko providing an update last week? In the interview, he updates his number of patients successfully treated and talked about further large-scale studies that are following his protocol (i.e., not designed to fail by omitting zinc or withholding the treatment until it is too late to be effective). Significantly, he stated that the proof will come from poor countries that can’t afford expensive treatments (newer drugs still under patent). In particular, he mentioned Eastern European countries. I think perhaps it was Hungary where they are implementing the treatment nationwide.
Also, I read somewhere recently that large numbers of doctors and healthcare workers are taking hydroxychloroquine prophylactically. (Don’t recall if zinc was mentioned.)
I personally am taking zinc with the OTC supplement quercetin (another ionophore, that is, a thing that helps zinc get into the cells). I am going to try hydroxychloroquine if I can convince my doctor to prescribe it when I see him in a few weeks.
Designed to fail, the VA gave it to people about to die, and then announced that they died ‘after being given’ the drug.
Exactly. Pretty sure they left out zinc too.
My daughter is a medical statistician, working for the VA. When the results of that “study” came out, she let me know that, sadly, the hydroxychloroquine not only didn’t work, but that more people died from it than did with just normal care. I immediately looked up this study and discovered that 1) they used it only on the very, very sick, 2) they didn’t include the zinc, and 3) didn’t include enough people, nor was it long enough to produce any meaningful data. Plus, she is always telling me of the importance of double blind studies, which this thing was in no way even attempting to be. In other words, it wasn’t a study.
I gleaned this from an article, as I haven’t the wherewithal to slog through actual medical papers. I didn’t counter her, because she does not usually respond well to Mom’s arguments. I just let it go.
She, on the other hand, does read medical papers and studies and things. She later confessed that initially, even though it is her practice to read the actually studies before commenting on them, she didn’t do so in this case. She did get around to reading it a few days later and apologized, because she said it was a completely bogus study, and badly done.
She does lean to the left a bit, but she is smart and will listen to facts; so there is hope for her.
Like Like Like your comment. After reading your previous posts about ionophores, did your comment mention buckwheat tea as a possible natural ionophore? I may have read that in a different web location.
I have no recollection of buckwheat. Except Eddie Murphy.
Hi Laura. I remember where I found info on this. WebMD. It was in regard to Quercetin and sources. The listing went as follows: Quercetin is a plant pigment (flavonoid). It is found in many plants and foods, such as red wine, onions, green tea, apples, berries, Ginkgo biloba, St. John’s wort, American elder, and others. Buckwheat tea has a large amount of quercetin. People use quercetin as a medicine
Reddit also had a listing, but the Reddit Covid Editors had it removed because it wasn’t peer reviewed. Humm
No harmful side effects from consuming Buckwheat tea, per WebMD, so I’ll try it with a follow up of zinc suppliment, why not? Oh, the list included Red Wine, so….ANOTHER GREAT REASON FOR RED WINE!
Heh. In this case, the reason for taking quercetin as a supplement (or green tea extract, another ionophore) is that it’s easier to control the dosage, and to get enough at one time for the effect with zinc to be significant. Before I was able to get quercetin as a supplement, I was drinking lots of very strong green tea, but it was nowhere near as effective as a capsule with 500mg quercetin.
In general, I’m a big fan of avoiding supplements and getting nutrition from real food. (Don’t get me started on RDAs.) But here, where you’re trying to achieve a certain level of control, and thus of predictability of symptoms, a supplement makes sense.
What do you use for zinc? I have been taking Zicam. Is there something better out there?
I have been using zinc picolinate (because the picolinate itself is a slight ionophore) and before I got that, zinc “chelate,” but even ordinary zinc gluconate (the most common form) works too. I get more nausea from the latter. Even with the “better” forms of zinc, though, I have to take some food with it. See more in my new post on the members’ blog.
I just looked it up, too, that is the buckwheat tea, and the quercetin. Apparently, quercetin taken in large doses can have adverse side effects, but 500 mg per day is safe, but many people can tolerate up 1000 mg. I’m gonna go get me some soon. Heck, I might even try some buckwheat tea, though it seems kind of expensive.
Maryanne, I wrote a long reply to you explaining what I’m doing, and then decided it should be its own blog post, so please see my answer there.
Thanks Laura. I will be looking into this. It’s good to know there is an alternative to the hydroxycloriquin that the powers that be seem hell bent on keeping out of our hands.
As Bill said so well, so many years ago, “these people ran counter to the narrative and they must be silenced” Just last night I watched that Afterburner about the origins of Political Correctness – from what, 2009?
Bill is also right about Hydroxy being useless without the zinc, which is the active ‘ingredient’ in the mix. I agree, and we’re not alone in this belief.
On May 8 th, 2020, Doctors Philip Carlucci, Tania Ahuja, Christopher M Petrilli, Harish Rajagopalan, Simon Jones, Joseph Rahimian have penned a medical document and published on MedRxiv, a website which self describes as “free online archive and distribution server for complete but unpublished manuscripts in the medical, clinical, and related health sciences.” These 6 doctors are from NYU Grossman School of Medicine.
Here’s the title: Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin plus zinc vs hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin alone: outcomes in hospitalized COVID-19 patients
Here’s their conclusion: Conclusion: This study provides the first in vivo evidence that zinc sulfate in combination with hydroxychloroquine may play a role in therapeutic management for COVID-19.
Here is the link:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.02.20080036v1
The FDA and the demented left treat We the People as 6 year old children or younger. If one acts up, then everyone must be punished. Every act of We the People is to be subject to Mother-May-I permission requirements. Permission is to be required by prior request of our political elate.
Children should be protected BY THEIR PARENTS. Adults should be and must be considered free agents who can act without permission. If they choose wrong, those who choose wrong should suffer the consequences. However, it is not the business of the politicians and unelected technocrats to second guess adults and punish them for not asking permission.
What is wrong in this sense? Violating the individual rights of others by force or threat of force ONLY! Then and only then should the law (Objective Law and not merely non-objective anti-law that can be interpreted to be anything by anyone for any reason) step in and prohibit such violation.
Agree completely. I don’t like being patronized by folks whose primary area of expertise is getting elected.
Sharyl Atkisson on Hydroxychloroquine and remdesivir.
Sharyl is one of the few still doing journalism.
There’s some evidence that prophylactic use of Hydroxychloroquine is safe and effective. That unhinged rant by Cavuto was bizarre, this drug has a variety of side-effects and contraindications like any other but there’s no legitimate reason for him to characterize it as if it was like taking a cyanide pill.
I think Cavuto gets triggered too easily because he has multiple sclerosis, and he’s also had cancer and heart surgery.
I’m not sure that’s an excuse. I have cancer, and my new heart valve is 9 months old as of yesterday.
My issue is that there are so many confounding variables in the data.
You are correct, it’s not a good reason. I have health issues that make this time challenging for me as well. Congratulations on your new heart valve and surviving cancer. Good luck to you and I’ll pray for you, please pray for me too.
I will do so.
Surviving the cancer is a day-by-day process since the word last year when I was diagnosed was, “it’s treatable but not curable”.
Lately, I think doctors are going to have to start adding the word “yet”.
So what? POTUS is an individual with a right to ingest what he wishes and tell whom he wants — as do we all.
Scott is in rare form today as he performs the leftist, whiny media avatar. Needless to say, he’s touched on a topic that is completely irrelevant. Good job.
Trump should say to them ‘My body my choice!’
A woman has the right to rip a baby out of her womb, but certain powerful people want force you to take a vaccine needle in your arm without your permission. Go figure.