Vaccinated people are safe from being killed by the virus. That’s why they got vaccinated. So they wouldn’t get sick and die. Yes, they might still get sick but not sick unto death. But …
Unvaccinated people pose a lethal threat to vaccinated people.
Those are contradictory statements. They are in direct opposition to each other to the point that only one of them, if either, can be true. Both cannot be true simultaneously. It’s a logical impossibility.
This logical impossibility is being acted on as though it were not only possible but factual all around the world.
I read a recent article in Axios which stated that the lines between vaccine mandates/passports and those who would oppose such restrictions is sharply marked across political boundaries. With the Democrats demanding vaccine passports and Republicans insisting everyone be treated the same regardless of vaccination status. However, the largest demographic of people avoiding or refusing the vaccine is the traditionally Democrat inner city black communities. So it’s not a political matter and it’s not science either.
Yet another logical inconsistency.
What danger is a vaccinated teacher exposed to from unvaccinated students? If the teacher is vaccinated and can’t get the virus, what should teachers care if there are unvaccinated students in their classrooms? Providing of course that the vaccination works but if it doesn’t work, the result is still the same and there is no increased threat to the teacher.
Yet another logical inconsistency.
So just what the hell is going on here?
In many countries around the world you are denied air travel if you cannot prove you have been vaccinated. It doesn’t matter if you had COVID and recovered so your blood contains the necessary antibodies, you have to prove vaccination also.
Having the same or better immunity as a vaccinated person avails an unvaccinated person nothing. So this isn’t “science”. Even if the sole focus were a matter purely of public health, the logical thing to do would be have those people who have recovered from COVID tested and issued a document declaring them safe. After all, they have the same or even better disease resistance that a vaccinated person has. As a matter of concern over public health, the result is the same and so the application should be the same from a scientific standpoint. It’s not. It’s not only not, it’s not even being considered.
Why?
In Canada you can’t enter an airport, not to travel, not even to say good-bye to a friend or loved one at the concourse gate. Not to have a drink with a friend passing through. Not for any reason. If you can’t produce the proper proof of vaccination.
In many cities, New York for example, you are required to prove your vaccination status to eat at a restaurant. Some places are implementing or considering implementing proof of vaccination to shop in stores.
Part of the reason for this requirement to be vaccinated is no doubt driven by Leftist ideology for political gain. So that the Democrats can crow about how they “saved the country by getting everyone vaccinated” but … That doesn’t hold up scientifically either. Israel has the highest vaccination rate in the world and in Israel they are experiencing spikes and outbreaks at the same rate as prior to vaccination.
So what is going on? Are we headed towards something like everyone being tattooed with a bar code or chipped with a personally identifiable designation so that some huge database somewhere can keep track of where they go, what they do, what they are vaccinated for and how they spend money? If so then it’s a simple matter once past that point to declare anyone out of favor with The State persona non grata and deny them the ability to buy anything at all. No gas. No groceries. No clothes. No phone. No internet. No electricity. Nothing.
Of course that will be sold as a crime control measure. How do you stop crime? Stop the criminals from buying or selling seems like a feasible way to do that. And as we are seeing now … Crime control is also a tandem issue with vaccination. You don’t need police to implement it either, you don’t need a cop you just need a terminal that won’t accept payment. The Left doesn’t like cops, this is a way to get rid of a lot of police officers. Although once The State has that kind of power it’s pretty simple to define “criminal” to mean anything The State wants it to mean. Like people who aren’t vaccinated. Or voted Republican. Or are on a “watch list” because of an off color remark to a neighbor. Or …
Are we seeing the groundwork being laid for something like this? —
16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name. Revelation 13:16-17 New International Version
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying the vaccine is “the number of the beast” but it does seem possible that the population is being groomed to accept something like that. We wouldn’t even have considered that a couple years ago and now it is looking less and less far-fetched with each passing day.
Is it possible this is what is happening? You don’t need to be religious or believe in God to see the parallels and the possibilities. I’m not preaching religion to anyone at all. That’s your own business not mine. I’m just making some observations here. This whole situation seems mighty fishy to me and the reasons being given don’t even come close to adding up.
I don’t want to hear any silly far out conspiracy nonsense and I don’t want to hear about your anti-theist religious beliefs, if you post that crap I’ll just ridicule you. I’m talking about observable facts and how they correlate to something written two thousand years ago. I’m not sure what’s going on here, I’m willing to talk about that. I’m not willing to suffer any hogwash that isn’t founded in at least some sort of credibility. You may not think the Bible is credible either, I don’t care. A lot of people do. That’s a fact whether you want to acknowledge it or not. If you refuse to acknowledge that fact then you’re the same sort as thinks unvaccinated people are a deadly threat to vaccinated people. SSDD
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I think everyone noticed that there is no science, no logic and no sense behind what happens back around Apr/2020 the latest.
Everyone in power pos just drives agenda, exploits the convenient crisis. And does extra steps to keep it alive and thriving as long as possible.
There is another logical inconsistency;
Everyone needs a vaccine passport to go into a bar / movie / grocery store etc. = Good Leftist Policy
Everyone needs an ID to vote = Racist Rightwing Policy
We are being groomed to accept what ever our government officials tell us. And the systems are designed to keep those in power, in power. Logic need not apply.
While I see the similarities to Revelation, I think we are first heading toward a clean/un-clean break. And since the fear porn has worked there are people who truly believe that walking past someone in a store who is unmasked is not just hazardous, but extremely hazardous. And that hazard is lethal in small doses. So treat everyone as if they are contaminated, unless proof of non-contamination is given by the new age priest in the form of a Vaccine Passport. So maybe Leviticus first? then Revelation. The important things from the Leftist standpoint is the the congregation accept the authority of the new priesthood, without question.
Some part of my brain keeps coming back to all of the planetary doomsayers since my youth (Paul Ehrlich and the like) whose arguments seem to boil down to “there are too many people on the planet for the planet’s resources to support – therefore we need less people”.
Those people were, by and large, far left nut jobs. I think many of their adherents are now in government and lobbying groups pushing all things green. Deep down, these people believe that Thanos was the hero and had the right idea, but wasn’t selective enough with his culling.
When you point out the CA doesn’t produce enough power now how are they going to produce power for all those EV; they think not a problem they’ll be less EVs because less people and only the ordained will be allowed to drive.
As to the chip, well we will need Bill to get back into CSR mode and report from his bunker again.
The Thanos idea keeps showing how the population can’t see simple math problems.
There was a “trivia”: we have a bacterium that doubles with every second. We put one in a glass at time 0:00. The glass gets full after exactly 24 hours. At what time was the glass half full?
Most people just give a wrong answer, and the minority that figures the right one just from being faced a trivia still fail to apply it to any other situation.
If life had millions of years to fill the galaxy and Thanos snaps away half of it, at best he buys a few decades before the pop is back to the previous level — might have happened by the time he dismantled the gauntlet.
While the idea of culling could make some sense, the provided execution as addressing the problem about as well as all the covid-related measures put to work.
I remember quite well Paul Ehrlich and those other prophets of doom due to TMP (Too Many People) from the 70’s and 80’s. Back then I believed them. I had discussions with friends about that. I remember distinctly taking the viewpoint that as human population increased the demand for energy would also increase in a parallel curve. So I had the opinion (no doubt influenced by my Sci-Fi reading) that energy would replace all standards for currency — with something like dollars based on kilowatts — and when mankind discovered a cheap source of abundant energy “the utopia” would be ushered in.
I was wrong. I have no problem admitting that. I know more now than I knew back then. But it made for some interesting conversations.
That said, I’m still not convinced that the concept if not the specifics of Future Shock by Alvin Toffler doesn’t hold some merit. Things like people spending a large amount of time looking at screens (screen neurosis) and the bombardment of huge quantities of information are totally new to the human species. The actual effects psychologically and physiologically will not be quantified and tabulated for decades as we are yet in the early stages of those influences.
What I keep coming back to is this thing that we see happening where some people, the unvaccinated, are not permitted to “buy or sell” without a vaccine passport. In that I’m not saying we’re seeing Revelations play out before us. There have been way, way too many who made that same claim throughout history for me to go that far. Still, there’s an uncanny similarity to what Revelations describes and it is nagging me at the back of my mind.
There is probably also part of the fallacy the government types (and business bureaucrats) fall into: (all “we” is government bureaucrat speaking)
Well – we HAVE to do SOMETHING.
We can’t just sit here and do nothing and let the course of nature just happen. That would demonstrate a lack of control. So, have to do something. Now what do we do?
First – we will just start recording and reporting statistics. That will look like we are doing something while we figure out what to do. It is nothing more than observation and data collection and reporting. But we can make cool charts that will make it seem like we are DOING something.
Then we tell people to stay home and be safe. Wear a mask and don’t talk to others. And wash your hands, a lot.
Then, when the data shows that most of the population is not going to die, but certain demographics are at high risk, we’ll mandate masks for everyone.
And since there is an election, and a vaccine will help PDT, we’ll talk bad about how fast the vaccines are being done so keep wearing your mask.
Then when we successfully rigged the election, we’ll tell everyone to forget about what we said and mandate the vaccine we said was rushed (memory hole for that) because getting vaccines out is something we can DO.
When it is pointed out that most are not at risk, we’ll talk about not getting the virus rather than not dying, since we have effectively convinced most people that getting the virus = dying.
Now we push the vaccine mandate because that is DOING something. We can set up big logistical systems to get people vaccinated. DOING again.
We need to have proof that you’ve been vaccinated because we can’t trust people to be honest (we’re not so why would anyone else be). So we will mandate a Vaccine Passport because it’s just a card to carry, like a library card (don’t compare it to a driver’s license) it’s no big deal.
Now we can set up big logistics to get people a card to carry at all times. That is really DOING SOMETHING.
Most of this is doing something the same way digging a hole on one part of land today and filling it back in by digging a hole on anther part tomorrow. It accomplishes little, but you look like you are doing something.
But being good at looking busy is something most government employees have gotten very good at.
That’s all true, I agree with every bit of that. That’s an excellent breakdown of the whole bureaucratic stance on COVID. But …
This week in France there was chaos and rioting in the streets because people who can’t prove they were vaccinated are not allowed to buy groceries. Denying people the ability to procure food seems like a pretty drastic move to me.
It’s not OK if people get COVID but it’s OK if they starve? How does that even make any sense?
I’m wondering where this is all leading. Like I said, my analysis of trends and subsequent extrapolations have been wrong before and I freely admit that. Having said that, it seems to me that for a virus which is now mutated into a milder and much less deadly strain rather than tapering back restrictions on the population accordingly some governments are doing just the opposite. They’re denying people food? Really?
Adding that to the other things I’ve already said, the situation is getting worse instead of better. Australians are now virtual prisoners in their own homes. That’s the only way possible to imprison the population of an entire country.
I’m not just talking about the current crop of bureaucrats in America. Lord knows we have our share of boneheads but if our boneheads see what foreign boneheads are doing works to increase their hold on power … Though we may be one of the last to go full retard it’s still coming here eventually.
I’ve been to both France and Australia plus a lot of other places. Something I’ve noticed is that the world looks to America as an ideal and a model. But not in the way that you might think. They don’t look at us and say “We want to be like America”. They look at us and say ‘We don’t want to be like those stupid Americans and we can solve the problems that America struggles with.”
The Aussies did exactly this regarding firearms. The way they sold their gun ban was immediately after a mass shooting in Tasmania by a nut with a handgun they campaigned “We don’t want to be like those stupid Americans. We have more wisdom than those stupid Americans. So we’re going to take the ‘obvious’ step and ban firearms.”
Which is exactly what they did. Now firearms crimes are not reported in the Australian media so the population thinks their gun ban worked and we Americans are all the more stupid for not banning firearms ourselves. I wouldn’t have known this either, no more than the average Aussie, if I didn’t know there was a home invasion with a firearm that happened down the street from my house (when I lived there) and saw how something that newsworthy wasn’t covered at all in the Aussie media.
Because in a country that prides itself on resolving the issue of gun violence by banning guns, you’d think a gun crime would be so rare as to make headlines in every media outlet. That’s not what happened, it wasn’t covered at all and then it was obvious to me why Aussies think they live in a peaceful utopia where no one is ever hit with a bullet.
This is what happens when a Leftist media is in bed with a Leftist government. Real problems aren’t really solved. The problem doesn’t go away but awareness of it does.
I’m certain that this same attitude was behind the French government’s decision to not allow unvaccinated people to buy food. They decided that they weren’t going to be “like stupid Americans” and they were going to put a stop to all resistance to COVID vaccinations.
Clearly the “not allowed to buy and sell unless you comply” idea is gaining traction in the greater world. That is a very, very powerful leverage. Once it takes hold and if it works the way the powers that be want it to, the slippery slope will become a factor. If it worked for getting everyone vaccinated for COVID then it becomes an acceptable tool of power.
As an acceptable tool of power it can be brought to bear on any problem where compliance is an issue. From armed robbery to political agendas.
Which brings me full circle back to my blog post. There’s something more than meets the eye going on here. The excuses we’re being given are obviously decrepit to any thinking person The whole thing isn’t adding up and the tally sheet doesn’t balance.
Where is this going and why is it headed there?
Thomas Malthus was certain that starvation was just over the horizon for million…In the late 1700’s into the 1800’s. Ingenuity, technology, and freedom proved him wrong.
Nobody wants to hear the answers in ingenuity, technology, or freedom today. Those assets are called evil, today.
Yes, the liberals and those too weak to disagree with them will likely end up killing people in numbers that would make Mao look like a peewee league potentate. It has happened many times before.
Exactly so. If you have an agenda then you have to do that in order to prevent the better, more workable, more reasonable, more equitable solution from being implemented. You must do this so that you can take credit for the perceived positive result. If it happens naturally then you didn’t ‘save” anything with your agenda and your narrative is proven worthless.
Simple air conditioning, that everyone takes for granted today, is a great example. Air conditioners used to be really expensive to operate because they used a lot of electricity. As air conditioning became more popular more companies began producing air conditioning units. As those companies competed with each other the company that developed a unit that was cheaper to operate because it used less power to accomplish the same result had a distinct market advantage. As a result of market pressures, not green-weenie econauts, the cost of operating an air conditioner came down and subsequently those units used less power.
An air conditioning unit today uses a fraction of the power that the same output machine did twenty years ago. Market forces, not eco-nuts, did that. Market forces will always do that, they have to. It is a natural evolution. Unless you interfere artificially with those market forces.
I don’t think you are missing anything. It’s about control. “Never let a crisis go to waste.” Then, of course, create one. Simple!
To give you what I think would be the HONEST answer, I think they want to require vaccination despite having had a natural COVID infection is it’s easier to document. Currently I know no mechanism by which you can prove you had COVID, so they want to avoid people just saying “Yeah, I had COVID”.
They COULD get a blood test for the antibodies within a few months of infection, though, and one would think that would suffice.
What it all … all of these points … really boils down to is what Bill was talking about a few days ago… Safetyism.
There’s a lot of Motte and Bailey maneuvering going on here with the left and the powers that be (which happens to be, at the moment, very much in alignment). They use the fact that yes it IS still possible to get infected and it is also still possible that you can die, however remote that possibility is … to leverage fear to keep more people behaving the way they want them to behave. And I really do think they (for the most part, there are people taking advantage of this for power, no doubt) have the interests of the “greater good” in mind… it’s just myopically focused on the spread of the virus itself and not on any of the collateral damage the measures they are taking.
So they end up saying “the vaccines work!” (and they do) while in the Motte, but out on the Bailey they are still screaming gloom and doom because not enough people are doing as they say to reach the unattainable goal of 100% safety.
Me, I say get vaxxed and relax and it ALMOST doesn’t matter what the unvaxxed do. Unless one actually coughs in my face, I’m not terribly concerned. Yeah, I might get a sick. But I pull my car out on the highway all the time and there’s no telling what other drivers will be doing out there. I just have to be prepared for what MIGHT come along. Taking the vaccine is like putting on a seatbelt. It won’t keep me out of an accident, but it greatly increases my chances of survival. And yes, there are technically a few freak types of accidents where it would be the seat belt that led to my demise, but I take that probability into my risk calculation.
We have a “seatbelt” now and I recommend everyone wear it. But I don’t want it mandated. Too many people have a hard time wrapping their heads around that. It seems to them to be two contradictory statements when, in fact … they are not.
Thank you, that’s exactly the sort of discussion/viewpoints I was looking for.
You’re right that at the moment there are no antibody tests able to prove positively that you’re immune to COVID post infection. The thing about that is there are also no tests to prove you’re immune to COVID post vaccination. An antibody test gives the same results in both cases. While that might not be proof positive it would seem to be, considering that the test yields the same result either way, that an antibody test should still be good enough. So there is a way to test but like the vaccination it’s not 100% reliable.
I got vaccinated for COVID for exactly the same reasons I get a flu shot every year. I’m over 60 and I haven’t been sick from any sort of bug in two decades. I’m not afraid COVID would kill me, I have an unusually robust immune system. I just don’t want to go through the hassle of being sick for a week or two. A week or two of misery is significant and if I can avoid that with minimal prophylaxis that’s the reasonable option as I see it.
Your seatbelt analogy is spot on.
You are so right! How many jerks live in the USA? More than I can count!!