40 replies on “Right Angle: Backstage (09-20-2022)”
I disagree with Scott completely about immigration. Its so “unclear” to him and he is so confused — he no longer can distinguish between right and wrong.
That doesn’t sound like a disagreement, Dan. It sounds like an evaluation of my mental acuity, or morality. You are free to express either here. Glad you’re part of the discussion.
Please see the reply to Dan Broucek in this thread. I was thinking the same thing: mainly, can we do legal immigration better? That is what I got out of what you brought up.
A bit disappointed in Bill not seeing that, but he’s only human, so no big deal.
I agree with Scott. He asked perfectly reasonable questions. We all agree illegal immigration is illegal…by definition it is.
The question is why do so many do it if there is a legal option?
Is the legal route too complex, or is it operating as efficiently as we want it to?
If the legal route is working as desired, Bill could have simply answered yes and expounded on why.
If the legal route is not operating as well as is desired, but difficult to correct or amend, he could have simply answered no and explained his position.
Bill spent too much time crafting a response to the question that was not asked, and would have been better served listening to the question that was asked and answered accordingly. Instead, he deliberately redirected the question and shouted his response as if whoever is louder must be correct.
Keep pushing back Scott. We need deliberative dialog and not just our own echo chamber of regurgitated talking points.
The reasons that people immigrate to the United States have remained the same since the country was formed. We legally admit more yearly than the next five or more countries combined. What has changed is the “open door no questions asked” policy that encouraged a tsunami of illegal entries. Legal immigration and naturalization are purposely slow because assimilation takes time and without that element, rapid immigration undermines and destabilizes the economic and social foundations of a country. This is even more markedly true if the newcomers do not share the same values of the new country or accept them. There is a practical limit to how many new arrivals, especially poor and low-skill individuals or families, can be accommodated without reaching a tipping point. Examples abound here in the Keystone State. Finally, it is both unwise and unfair to citizens and immigrants alike to allow the problems that allegedly motivated the immigrants to follow them across the border.
I’m with Scott Ott on the immigration issue and I feel that Bill and Steve were not understanding Scott’s point/question and just parroting answers to different questions. That people have to spend thousands to do the immigration process ‘legally’ is proof it’s just a cash grab for the government. We could start by fixing that (as well as fixing the boarder).
And Bill’s, interrupting and yelling like a child is not a valid counter argument.
And this, boys and girls is why we sign up and pay. Respectful discourse from differing perspectives without rancor or invective. Thank you, gentlemen.
I don’t speak for Scott Ott and I can only offer my interpretation of what he’s saying so …
I think what Scott means is that our southern border situation is at least in part because of a faulty, ponderous, bureaucratic immigration policy and that policy needs to be scrapped and completely rebuilt by laws passed by our own duly elected representatives in an attempt to make the immigration situation work better. Which would then be rigorously enforced and would have to be accepted by everyone, immigrants legal or illegal and Scott himself.
I can offer a solution to the problem.
Allow anyone who wants to enter the US on a permanent status to come here that wants to. As long as they are checked as best as possible for a criminal record, criminal associations, and not being hostile foreign state actors plus they’re not carrying anything illegal when they arrive here.
Yeah, I can hear all the gasps but I’m not done yet.
Everyone processed in that manner must first of all not be convicted of any sort of felony or gross misdemeanor for the first probationary 12 years they live here. They cannot become citizens until that probation is fully served. Also …
They are allowed to vote but — I’m OK with this if they’re given a red ballot clearly marked with only Republican candidates as choices. If they don’t show up to vote their votes automatically are registered as being cast for Republican candidates, whatever Republican gets the most votes otherwise, as though they cast the vote themselves for that same initial 12 years. No exceptions.
If they go back across the border the 12 year period resets and begins the 12 year countdown again. If they commit and are convicted of any misdemeanor other than common traffic offenses the 12 year period likewise resets.
If they have not learned to speak English in 4 years, the 12 year period resets.
If they are shown as participating on any sort of entitlement system, welfare, free healthcare, etc. the 12 year period is suspended for the duration they are on that entitlement. I.E. if they start with 12 years, spend 4 years on an entitlement program and then get off it, their votes are automatically registered for Republicans for 16 years.
If they successfully complete the 12 year probationary period they then enter the normal immigration system and must test and do anything that any other legal immigrant would have to do but an in an accelerated manor. They’ve already shown they can live here and be productive.
Theoretically if they absolutely had to go back home for any reason they would accept the 12 year reset too. Theoretically they could do this probationary period for their entire lives if they want to and still live in the US where their votes will continue to be credited to the Republican side.
Etc. There are more conditions I can think of but you get the idea by now.
This will of course never work because it won’t be accepted the Democrat Party although I’m sure the vast majority of those now entering the US illegally would accept such conditions gladly. If not, they should be turned back and/or sent back as soon as they encounter any sort of Federal Agent with the normal power to do that.
That said, what it will do is shine a light on what the Democrats themselves are trying to do politically with their policies because as far as future votes and the distribution of power in the US goes it’s exactly the same thing. In this regard it’s like Ron De Santis and Greg Abbott policies of shipping illegals to ‘sanctuary’ areas.
It would also have the benefit of immediately taking the wind out of the sails of the Democrat open border policy. Republicans could say, even though the legislation is hopeless, that they’re willing to do this under these conditions to facilitate ‘humane’ immigration policies. After all, anyone who wants to come here can do so if they accept these conditions which really won’t have any effect at all on their day-to-day existence.
But it would completely negate any political benefit for Democrats to champion open border policies and would throw political balance to the Republican side, which is what the Democrats are really trying to do for themselves.
At that point, watch every bit of Democrat ‘compassion’ and ‘humanity’ evaporate just like it did when De Santis and Abbot shipped illegals to Martha’s Vineyard.
If by some miracle we would end up with a Republican controlled Congress and White House and did manage to reform the immigration system in such a manner the Democrats would find themselves unavoidably on the side of border walls, strict immigration, and all the other opposites of where they are now.
Or they could show us all that humanity and compassion really were their greatest primary motivation by voting for and supporting such a system. The Democrats could openly say that they really do feel compassion for all these poor people coming from all those shit-hole countries and proved their real intent by sacrificing any political gain in the process. This might actually work in their favor to some degree.
Either way, whether it becomes a plank in the Republican platform to beat the Democrats over the head with or if it actually by some miracle was passed into law, it’s a win for our side.
Either way it removes the empty, absurd pretense of ‘caring’ about these illegal immigrants and negates any argument or hollow virtue signaling on those grounds.
I’m just shooting from the hip here. We’d probably never get the Republican Party to adopt this exact position but … That’s not what I’m saying anyway. I’m saying we need to explore and find ways to turn the tables on the radical Left, we need to find ways to make them show their true colors, we need to find ways to nullify their positions because if we don’t they’re going to take over this country sooner or later.
This is an example of using the radical Leftist Democrat Party’s tactics against them without stooping to their level of perfidy.
What I’m saying is fight smart not fight hard and this goes for almost any position the Radical Left takes. Find ways to expose how phoney their ‘compassion’ is and use those against them. They hide behind a transparent mask of false virtue and if we can find ways to make that mask dissolve and show them for what they really are they won’t be ‘good people’ anymore. That will only leave the hard core of radical Leftism to fight and that is a fight we can easily win.
Trump did something like this by offering to allow 11 million illegal immigrants a path to citizenship and the Democrat turned him down. I think he knew they’d turn him down. In turning him down they exposed the fact that the were not really all that concerned about those people but rather the political power they expected to harvest from them.
I can see Scott’s point on immigration, he’s right, it’s happening because of the motivations (their countries are S-holes). I don’t understand what he thinks can be done in or by the US about the fact of the state of their countries of origin. As Bill said, this isn’t just one or two basket case countries, it’s dozens upon dozens of countries.
The only thing that the US (and the UK, again, we’re in a similar situation) can do in the short/medium term is to enforce the border, thereby piling up on the con side of the equation those who choose to cross the border. At the moment it’s all pro.
Besides shipping illegals to blue areas, Abbott (and other governors) should have their legislatures levy a “fee” on cash remittances leaving the U.S.
I think what Scott is arguing for is annexation of Mexico… That way we’re making the pie bigger and spreading our values! 🙂
So let’s move the border to Panama and then “they” will be in America and won’t have to move here. “They can even pay taxes too.
I’m with Scott on the immigration deal. Me being a more libertarian/ anarchist minded individual. You can either have your elections your electoral college and your social programs and shut the border off. Or you can have immigration for the people that want to be here and want to take advantage of our opportunities and make a better life for themselves and be rid of the social programs.
To often conservatives and liberals alike ride the fence on this issue.
Who cares *why* people who want a desirable product go about acquiring it illegally? It’s morally indefensible. Why should American citizens bend over backwards to make getting the desirable product easier? Immigration is supposed to benefit the citizen, not every non-citizen on the planet.
I’ve been impressed by some of the music composed for RPG type video games. Jeremy soule is the one I’ve maybe heard the most from, but games often have the same need as movies, for music to convey the atmosphere, setting and feeling of a location, action or theme for a character.
In the long back and forth over immigration, Steve about h1 m03 got part of this idea I was writing for a post:
If we create laws on who can stay before we have a method for preventing more from sneaking in, more will sneak in trying to grandfather themselves under the laws we just past. I remember that being the argument a few years ago on the “laws first or wall first” back and forth that Congress was having. The Dems wanted their laws first, for Dreamers and others, and Repubs were sensibly saying if we create a framework toward citizenship, we’ll just have more people trying to claim they qualified when they got here because we were creating the laws.
on Bill’s topic… what is the chinese word for “potemkin?” (which Scott also asked) … I suppose the difference is the Russian laborers were trying to fool their bosses on the quality of their work, while the Chinese are trying to fool the world on the quality of their culture and advancements.
Ahh….. that show I spend $10 on every month.
We have a friend from Eastern Europe who came on a tourist visa, knowing that his life was in danger in his country. He IMMEDIATELY went to USCIS and applied for asylum, even though another guy told him that he was stupid for doing that since he could have worked for several months illegally before applying. Our friend said that he wanted to be a US citizen, and he would NOT start that by breaking the law. Eventually he became a green card holder and then a US citizen, and the US benefits by his presence–his legally obtained presence.
And the other part of this is that most of those millions coming across the border illegally are coming from countries where the rule of law means nothing. In those places people are accustomed to finding a way AROUND the law instead of looking for how to do what they want legally. That is EXACTLY what is going on at the border–no concern for what the law says but looking for a way around the law, regardless of the cost to this country in our attitude toward the rule of law.
And one more thing. As a nation, we are under NO obligation to accept everyone who dreams of living in the US. We are supposed to be the shining city on a hill that shows other countries how to be what we are. It is not our fault if those other countries refuse to follow our example, and it does not mean that we have to take in all the people of those countries.
Votes Steve…Biden got votes? Hahaha…not as many as they claimed…lol.
I actually understood Scott’s “question” and where he was trying to go with it. There might have been a better way to frame it…idk. The push we see fits into asylum seeker status immigration law. There are different criteria than the method Bill’s wife had to abide by.
Scott, I believe the reason so many people break the laws of immigration is the same reason they transgress all the other laws of theft and murder and rape and such. We simply do not have a real time, hard and fast means for holding people accountable for breaking the law. There was a period of 20 or 25 years in the first half of the last century where we did not allow any immigration into the U.S. so as to allow all the legal immigrants already here time to assimilate. The rate of illegal immigration taking place in the last 30 years has made it impossible for proper assimilation which has brought a lot of resentment and harsh treatment and angry actions toward those who come into the country illegally.
Oh yes, by the way Scott, who is it that says anything that is worthwhile,like citizenship in the U.S., should be made easy for anybody to achieve. One of the first maxims I learned as a child is that which is easily obtained is not highly esteemed. Citizenship in this country should be something that is almost as highly prized as the greatest gift of being a child of GOD and joint heir with JESUS.
Advertisement is one of the main reasons I got rid of my TV over 15 years ago…that, and the constant Liberal indoctrination. Something amazing happens when you rid yourself of the boob tube.
We were acquainted with a family about 25 years ago who were from a small town in Mexico. They wanted to come to America to earn enough money to first bring family members here to be able to have a better life , and also to send money home for a better life for those who remained in Mexico. The ultimate goal was to one day retire back to Mexico. Eventually, their kids came here as young children and married citizens and built lives here, never intending to retire in Mexico. They were always fully aware what the rules were, but they were willing to risk being deported many times because the standard of living here was so much better. Yes, the reason they wanted to be here was they wanted a better life for themselves and their children. And yes, they didn’t have a problem breaking the rules. They didn’t have much hope in going by the rules, applying for entrance before coming and doing all the things required to come here legally, including sponsorship, a job, etc. Since they didn’t think they could meet those rules, they didn’t try, and the ends totally justified the means as far as they were concerned. It’s more dangerous now, but I suspect the current illegal immigrants are following the patterns set long ago, and are willing to put up with danger and death because they believe it’s the easiest way to get what they desire, based on generations of experiences.
Scott, Democrats and Republicans have been breaking promises for many many years.
Scott, your conclusion about rampant shoplifting applies directly to the border crossings. If it’s being allowed by the government, both the shoplifting & illegal crossings, then more and more people will figure they can do it or want to do it! More important is that the illegals are being paid for by corporations in the US to bring in more cheap labor, and by the Democrats to gain more voters. If the laws were being followed, we wouldn’t see the increased crime either.
Biden couldn’t “take the short bus” with the other heads of state at the Queen’s funeral because he cannot be exposed to people without a similar amount of brain damage. His dementia is far too embarrassing to share with the world leaders.
Trump, who knows stagecraft, would have been everywhere, on time, and would be making those pearl-clutchers cringe and eye-roll, God bless him.
That was my first thought. Having the Presidential Limo stuck, immobile, in traffic is much worse from a security aspect than having POTUS on the bus with the other dignitaries, heads-of-state.
Too many not necessarily friendly eyes that could report back first hand knowledge unspun.
Flammable cladding – installed on Grenfell Tower in a recent renovation – is thought to have contributed to the rapid spread of the fire.
Both the cladding and insulation on the outside of the building failed all preliminary tests by the police. The insulation samples burned more quickly than the cladding tiles.
They show the zinc cladding originally proposed was replaced with an aluminium type, which was less fire resistant, saving nearly £300,000.
Cladding can create cavities which in some cases can cause a chimney effect, drawing flames up the cavity if there are no fire barriers.
I remember that… horrendous. Council housing.
I did look for the “Imperial March” in a major key and my life is so much better.
It makes me want to go fight a glorious war against Space Nazis in the rings of Saturn.
Just because I am a geek engineer – here you go Bill.
I remembered that and would have found and linked it, so thanks for saving me that work.
Wish I could have given you at least ten up votes.
But that would be cheating.😡
And I’m not a Democrat.😁
Rest assured WD 40 comes not only in cans but plastic bottles as well. As a former international traveler I have seen first hand how different the policies for entry visa’s of any kind are across the world. Americans have advantages that other people do not have.
I’m getting real tired of governors declaring and emergency and collecting all powers unto themselves.
Space Force should have stolen the theme from Space Cruiser Yamato. Stolen w/ both hands.
And the deplorables over at Insty tend to agree.
But have you ever heard The Imperial March played on an ice cream truck? I have.
And the neat part is, Chuck III is a short timer. They’re gonna be able to trot out those plans again in about 10yrs.
And the neat part is, Chuck III is a short timer. They’re gonna be able to treat out those plans again in about 10yrs.
An hour and a half! NOW I feel like I’m getting my monies worth. 8^)
As a US citizen who was born in Japan of missionary parents, when I applied for permanent residency, I was told that it would be easier for me to get citizenship than to get the permanent residency, because not only was I born here, my parents are buried here, and that counts a lot to the Japanese. I held out for permanent residency, however, because legal status wouldn’t change the way I look, which automatically means that the vast majority of people I encounter do not/would not accept me as Japanese. In America, however, the way you look has nothing to do with whether you are an American. I know several biracial/bicultural couples, and marrying a Japanese does make it pretty easy to get residency, but only my friends from Hong Kong seem to be seriously considering getting Japanese citizenship, because they don’t think they could ever safely go back to Hong Kong.
40 replies on “Right Angle: Backstage (09-20-2022)”
I disagree with Scott completely about immigration. Its so “unclear” to him and he is so confused — he no longer can distinguish between right and wrong.
That doesn’t sound like a disagreement, Dan. It sounds like an evaluation of my mental acuity, or morality. You are free to express either here. Glad you’re part of the discussion.
Please see the reply to Dan Broucek in this thread. I was thinking the same thing: mainly, can we do legal immigration better? That is what I got out of what you brought up.
A bit disappointed in Bill not seeing that, but he’s only human, so no big deal.
I agree with Scott. He asked perfectly reasonable questions. We all agree illegal immigration is illegal…by definition it is.
The question is why do so many do it if there is a legal option?
Is the legal route too complex, or is it operating as efficiently as we want it to?
Bill spent too much time crafting a response to the question that was not asked, and would have been better served listening to the question that was asked and answered accordingly. Instead, he deliberately redirected the question and shouted his response as if whoever is louder must be correct.
Keep pushing back Scott. We need deliberative dialog and not just our own echo chamber of regurgitated talking points.
The reasons that people immigrate to the United States have remained the same since the country was formed. We legally admit more yearly than the next five or more countries combined. What has changed is the “open door no questions asked” policy that encouraged a tsunami of illegal entries. Legal immigration and naturalization are purposely slow because assimilation takes time and without that element, rapid immigration undermines and destabilizes the economic and social foundations of a country. This is even more markedly true if the newcomers do not share the same values of the new country or accept them. There is a practical limit to how many new arrivals, especially poor and low-skill individuals or families, can be accommodated without reaching a tipping point. Examples abound here in the Keystone State. Finally, it is both unwise and unfair to citizens and immigrants alike to allow the problems that allegedly motivated the immigrants to follow them across the border.
I’m with Scott Ott on the immigration issue and I feel that Bill and Steve were not understanding Scott’s point/question and just parroting answers to different questions. That people have to spend thousands to do the immigration process ‘legally’ is proof it’s just a cash grab for the government. We could start by fixing that (as well as fixing the boarder).
And Bill’s, interrupting and yelling like a child is not a valid counter argument.
And this, boys and girls is why we sign up and pay. Respectful discourse from differing perspectives without rancor or invective. Thank you, gentlemen.
I don’t speak for Scott Ott and I can only offer my interpretation of what he’s saying so …
I think what Scott means is that our southern border situation is at least in part because of a faulty, ponderous, bureaucratic immigration policy and that policy needs to be scrapped and completely rebuilt by laws passed by our own duly elected representatives in an attempt to make the immigration situation work better. Which would then be rigorously enforced and would have to be accepted by everyone, immigrants legal or illegal and Scott himself.
I can offer a solution to the problem.
Allow anyone who wants to enter the US on a permanent status to come here that wants to. As long as they are checked as best as possible for a criminal record, criminal associations, and not being hostile foreign state actors plus they’re not carrying anything illegal when they arrive here.
Yeah, I can hear all the gasps but I’m not done yet.
Everyone processed in that manner must first of all not be convicted of any sort of felony or gross misdemeanor for the first probationary 12 years they live here. They cannot become citizens until that probation is fully served. Also …
They are allowed to vote but — I’m OK with this if they’re given a red ballot clearly marked with only Republican candidates as choices. If they don’t show up to vote their votes automatically are registered as being cast for Republican candidates, whatever Republican gets the most votes otherwise, as though they cast the vote themselves for that same initial 12 years. No exceptions.
If they go back across the border the 12 year period resets and begins the 12 year countdown again. If they commit and are convicted of any misdemeanor other than common traffic offenses the 12 year period likewise resets.
If they have not learned to speak English in 4 years, the 12 year period resets.
If they are shown as participating on any sort of entitlement system, welfare, free healthcare, etc. the 12 year period is suspended for the duration they are on that entitlement. I.E. if they start with 12 years, spend 4 years on an entitlement program and then get off it, their votes are automatically registered for Republicans for 16 years.
If they successfully complete the 12 year probationary period they then enter the normal immigration system and must test and do anything that any other legal immigrant would have to do but an in an accelerated manor. They’ve already shown they can live here and be productive.
Theoretically if they absolutely had to go back home for any reason they would accept the 12 year reset too. Theoretically they could do this probationary period for their entire lives if they want to and still live in the US where their votes will continue to be credited to the Republican side.
Etc. There are more conditions I can think of but you get the idea by now.
This will of course never work because it won’t be accepted the Democrat Party although I’m sure the vast majority of those now entering the US illegally would accept such conditions gladly. If not, they should be turned back and/or sent back as soon as they encounter any sort of Federal Agent with the normal power to do that.
That said, what it will do is shine a light on what the Democrats themselves are trying to do politically with their policies because as far as future votes and the distribution of power in the US goes it’s exactly the same thing. In this regard it’s like Ron De Santis and Greg Abbott policies of shipping illegals to ‘sanctuary’ areas.
It would also have the benefit of immediately taking the wind out of the sails of the Democrat open border policy. Republicans could say, even though the legislation is hopeless, that they’re willing to do this under these conditions to facilitate ‘humane’ immigration policies. After all, anyone who wants to come here can do so if they accept these conditions which really won’t have any effect at all on their day-to-day existence.
But it would completely negate any political benefit for Democrats to champion open border policies and would throw political balance to the Republican side, which is what the Democrats are really trying to do for themselves.
At that point, watch every bit of Democrat ‘compassion’ and ‘humanity’ evaporate just like it did when De Santis and Abbot shipped illegals to Martha’s Vineyard.
If by some miracle we would end up with a Republican controlled Congress and White House and did manage to reform the immigration system in such a manner the Democrats would find themselves unavoidably on the side of border walls, strict immigration, and all the other opposites of where they are now.
Or they could show us all that humanity and compassion really were their greatest primary motivation by voting for and supporting such a system. The Democrats could openly say that they really do feel compassion for all these poor people coming from all those shit-hole countries and proved their real intent by sacrificing any political gain in the process. This might actually work in their favor to some degree.
Either way, whether it becomes a plank in the Republican platform to beat the Democrats over the head with or if it actually by some miracle was passed into law, it’s a win for our side.
Either way it removes the empty, absurd pretense of ‘caring’ about these illegal immigrants and negates any argument or hollow virtue signaling on those grounds.
I’m just shooting from the hip here. We’d probably never get the Republican Party to adopt this exact position but … That’s not what I’m saying anyway. I’m saying we need to explore and find ways to turn the tables on the radical Left, we need to find ways to make them show their true colors, we need to find ways to nullify their positions because if we don’t they’re going to take over this country sooner or later.
This is an example of using the radical Leftist Democrat Party’s tactics against them without stooping to their level of perfidy.
What I’m saying is fight smart not fight hard and this goes for almost any position the Radical Left takes. Find ways to expose how phoney their ‘compassion’ is and use those against them. They hide behind a transparent mask of false virtue and if we can find ways to make that mask dissolve and show them for what they really are they won’t be ‘good people’ anymore. That will only leave the hard core of radical Leftism to fight and that is a fight we can easily win.
Trump did something like this by offering to allow 11 million illegal immigrants a path to citizenship and the Democrat turned him down. I think he knew they’d turn him down. In turning him down they exposed the fact that the were not really all that concerned about those people but rather the political power they expected to harvest from them.
I can see Scott’s point on immigration, he’s right, it’s happening because of the motivations (their countries are S-holes). I don’t understand what he thinks can be done in or by the US about the fact of the state of their countries of origin. As Bill said, this isn’t just one or two basket case countries, it’s dozens upon dozens of countries.
The only thing that the US (and the UK, again, we’re in a similar situation) can do in the short/medium term is to enforce the border, thereby piling up on the con side of the equation those who choose to cross the border. At the moment it’s all pro.
Besides shipping illegals to blue areas, Abbott (and other governors) should have their legislatures levy a “fee” on cash remittances leaving the U.S.
I think what Scott is arguing for is annexation of Mexico… That way we’re making the pie bigger and spreading our values! 🙂
So let’s move the border to Panama and then “they” will be in America and won’t have to move here. “They can even pay taxes too.
I’m with Scott on the immigration deal. Me being a more libertarian/ anarchist minded individual. You can either have your elections your electoral college and your social programs and shut the border off. Or you can have immigration for the people that want to be here and want to take advantage of our opportunities and make a better life for themselves and be rid of the social programs.
To often conservatives and liberals alike ride the fence on this issue.
Who cares *why* people who want a desirable product go about acquiring it illegally? It’s morally indefensible. Why should American citizens bend over backwards to make getting the desirable product easier? Immigration is supposed to benefit the citizen, not every non-citizen on the planet.
I’ve been impressed by some of the music composed for RPG type video games. Jeremy soule is the one I’ve maybe heard the most from, but games often have the same need as movies, for music to convey the atmosphere, setting and feeling of a location, action or theme for a character.
In the long back and forth over immigration, Steve about h1 m03 got part of this idea I was writing for a post:
If we create laws on who can stay before we have a method for preventing more from sneaking in, more will sneak in trying to grandfather themselves under the laws we just past. I remember that being the argument a few years ago on the “laws first or wall first” back and forth that Congress was having. The Dems wanted their laws first, for Dreamers and others, and Repubs were sensibly saying if we create a framework toward citizenship, we’ll just have more people trying to claim they qualified when they got here because we were creating the laws.
on Bill’s topic… what is the chinese word for “potemkin?” (which Scott also asked) … I suppose the difference is the Russian laborers were trying to fool their bosses on the quality of their work, while the Chinese are trying to fool the world on the quality of their culture and advancements.
Ahh….. that show I spend $10 on every month.
We have a friend from Eastern Europe who came on a tourist visa, knowing that his life was in danger in his country. He IMMEDIATELY went to USCIS and applied for asylum, even though another guy told him that he was stupid for doing that since he could have worked for several months illegally before applying. Our friend said that he wanted to be a US citizen, and he would NOT start that by breaking the law. Eventually he became a green card holder and then a US citizen, and the US benefits by his presence–his legally obtained presence.
And the other part of this is that most of those millions coming across the border illegally are coming from countries where the rule of law means nothing. In those places people are accustomed to finding a way AROUND the law instead of looking for how to do what they want legally. That is EXACTLY what is going on at the border–no concern for what the law says but looking for a way around the law, regardless of the cost to this country in our attitude toward the rule of law.
And one more thing. As a nation, we are under NO obligation to accept everyone who dreams of living in the US. We are supposed to be the shining city on a hill that shows other countries how to be what we are. It is not our fault if those other countries refuse to follow our example, and it does not mean that we have to take in all the people of those countries.
Votes Steve…Biden got votes? Hahaha…not as many as they claimed…lol.
I actually understood Scott’s “question” and where he was trying to go with it. There might have been a better way to frame it…idk. The push we see fits into asylum seeker status immigration law. There are different criteria than the method Bill’s wife had to abide by.
Scott, I believe the reason so many people break the laws of immigration is the same reason they transgress all the other laws of theft and murder and rape and such. We simply do not have a real time, hard and fast means for holding people accountable for breaking the law. There was a period of 20 or 25 years in the first half of the last century where we did not allow any immigration into the U.S. so as to allow all the legal immigrants already here time to assimilate. The rate of illegal immigration taking place in the last 30 years has made it impossible for proper assimilation which has brought a lot of resentment and harsh treatment and angry actions toward those who come into the country illegally.
Oh yes, by the way Scott, who is it that says anything that is worthwhile,like citizenship in the U.S., should be made easy for anybody to achieve. One of the first maxims I learned as a child is that which is easily obtained is not highly esteemed. Citizenship in this country should be something that is almost as highly prized as the greatest gift of being a child of GOD and joint heir with JESUS.
Advertisement is one of the main reasons I got rid of my TV over 15 years ago…that, and the constant Liberal indoctrination. Something amazing happens when you rid yourself of the boob tube.
We were acquainted with a family about 25 years ago who were from a small town in Mexico. They wanted to come to America to earn enough money to first bring family members here to be able to have a better life , and also to send money home for a better life for those who remained in Mexico. The ultimate goal was to one day retire back to Mexico. Eventually, their kids came here as young children and married citizens and built lives here, never intending to retire in Mexico. They were always fully aware what the rules were, but they were willing to risk being deported many times because the standard of living here was so much better. Yes, the reason they wanted to be here was they wanted a better life for themselves and their children. And yes, they didn’t have a problem breaking the rules. They didn’t have much hope in going by the rules, applying for entrance before coming and doing all the things required to come here legally, including sponsorship, a job, etc. Since they didn’t think they could meet those rules, they didn’t try, and the ends totally justified the means as far as they were concerned. It’s more dangerous now, but I suspect the current illegal immigrants are following the patterns set long ago, and are willing to put up with danger and death because they believe it’s the easiest way to get what they desire, based on generations of experiences.
Scott, Democrats and Republicans have been breaking promises for many many years.
Scott, your conclusion about rampant shoplifting applies directly to the border crossings. If it’s being allowed by the government, both the shoplifting & illegal crossings, then more and more people will figure they can do it or want to do it! More important is that the illegals are being paid for by corporations in the US to bring in more cheap labor, and by the Democrats to gain more voters. If the laws were being followed, we wouldn’t see the increased crime either.
Biden couldn’t “take the short bus” with the other heads of state at the Queen’s funeral because he cannot be exposed to people without a similar amount of brain damage. His dementia is far too embarrassing to share with the world leaders.
Trump, who knows stagecraft, would have been everywhere, on time, and would be making those pearl-clutchers cringe and eye-roll, God bless him.
That was my first thought. Having the Presidential Limo stuck, immobile, in traffic is much worse from a security aspect than having POTUS on the bus with the other dignitaries, heads-of-state.
Too many not necessarily friendly eyes that could report back first hand knowledge unspun.
In 2017 the Grenfell Tower in London had this as one of its contributory causes.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-40272168
I remember that… horrendous. Council housing.
I did look for the “Imperial March” in a major key and my life is so much better.
It makes me want to go fight a glorious war against Space Nazis in the rings of Saturn.
Just because I am a geek engineer – here you go Bill.
I remembered that and would have found and linked it, so thanks for saving me that work.
Wish I could have given you at least ten up votes.
But that would be cheating.😡
And I’m not a Democrat.😁
Rest assured WD 40 comes not only in cans but plastic bottles as well. As a former international traveler I have seen first hand how different the policies for entry visa’s of any kind are across the world. Americans have advantages that other people do not have.
I’m getting real tired of governors declaring and emergency and collecting all powers unto themselves.
Space Force should have stolen the theme from Space Cruiser Yamato. Stolen w/ both hands.
And the deplorables over at Insty tend to agree.
But have you ever heard The Imperial March played on an ice cream truck? I have.
And the neat part is, Chuck III is a short timer. They’re gonna be able to trot out those plans again in about 10yrs.
And the neat part is, Chuck III is a short timer. They’re gonna be able to treat out those plans again in about 10yrs.
An hour and a half! NOW I feel like I’m getting my monies worth. 8^)
As a US citizen who was born in Japan of missionary parents, when I applied for permanent residency, I was told that it would be easier for me to get citizenship than to get the permanent residency, because not only was I born here, my parents are buried here, and that counts a lot to the Japanese. I held out for permanent residency, however, because legal status wouldn’t change the way I look, which automatically means that the vast majority of people I encounter do not/would not accept me as Japanese. In America, however, the way you look has nothing to do with whether you are an American. I know several biracial/bicultural couples, and marrying a Japanese does make it pretty easy to get residency, but only my friends from Hong Kong seem to be seriously considering getting Japanese citizenship, because they don’t think they could ever safely go back to Hong Kong.