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I just want to take a moment to thank everyone here at BillWhittle.com who I’ve had the pleasure of meeting and talking with. I signed up last May and within a few days felt completely at home. I could say what I truly thought about things and, with almost no exceptions, I was accepted. People agreed with me. I didn’t have to sit silent while being subjected to idiotic, irrational, leftist crap all the time, like I did in other communities I had been involved with. It was almost too much to accept as real.

There were disagreements, to be sure, but most of those were minor and even more were mere misunderstandings that were cleared up with a little further explanation. But even those who disagreed were willing to listen and discuss, not employ scorn, derision, lying, and baseless rejection to shut me out. Honestly, most of those here being quite religious and my being what those same people would call an atheist (I don’t call myself that, not because I think I might someday change my mind about religion, but because the term doesn’t apply to my thinking), I had expected to be dismissed at every turn. That wasn’t the case, which was an enormous relief. I felt at home here and some months ago I posted about that on the member blog.

I even surprisingly discovered quite a few things I have in common with one of the Big 3β„’ here on the site. That was very nice to know and gave me an even stronger sense of belonging. As a hard-core introvert, I’ve never been one to need to feel a part of something but it was nice just the same.

The election came and went, disappearing into a thief’s pocket, and I was (and remain) just as angry about it as everyone else here. Then the MB2A series began and I was immediately inspired to work on its goals. I started doing one of the things I do best – building and leading a team to get the work started. Employing another of my stronger talents, I wrote up some documents – one of which was, if I do say so myself, pretty damn impressive – to serve as a statement of the reasons for MB2A and a call to join us to anyone in the country who shared our principles and had the same desire to take the country back, as well as potential guidelines for managing the effort. I was primed for action.

As time went on, however, I became extremely disappointed by what I saw as abandonment of the ideals described in the first few MB2A videos. I tried to get more information, hoping there was at least a preliminary stab at a plan. But I got no reply and no public announcements were forthcoming. The MB2A series after the first few had become merely “Bill Whittle Now without Scott Ott,” having no relation at all to the vision originally described. Even the name “Moving Back to America” disappeared from the videos, both on the screen and in the words. Without even nominal leadership and direction being offered, I disbanded my group in frustration. All the excited talk about MB2A died away among members both old and new. It seemed to be going nowhere.

Today’s video, ostensibly about MB2A, introduced something new that is described as “the most important thing” now. While it aims toward a necessary outcome, it’s nothing at all like the original idea, which I thought was the most important thing as stated in those early videos in the series, namely fixing the states’ election laws to make the process open and foolproof so it could be trusted again. Most disappointing is that this new purpose for MB2A is not a project that we members can be a part of other than as a funding source.

I have now lost all hope in MB2A as a movement. It might succeed as something else, something like the effort begun in the new year at The Daily Wire, to gain a foothold in the culture via the entertainment business. But it’s not going to win any elections or change any laws, the original reason for MB2A. Now that the left is consolidating its power, refusing to move quickly to disrupt its corrupt and anti-American coup while it’s still relatively weak will leave the left much more difficult, likely impossible, to overcome later – a crucial point made in an early MB2A video. This new project points MB2A away from that necessary and timely effort. It leaves the name “Moving Back to America” an incongruous title for something it’s not.

As a result of all this, I’ll be leaving the site. My membership is paid until the beginning of next month – I’ll stick around until then, but I won’t be participating anywhere near as much as I had been since I first joined. I mentioned in some blog comments that, now that I’m older, MB2A would be my last go at having an impact. I’ll be spending my time trying to enjoy the rest of my life. My goal is to live to at least 300, since if I fail at that I lose nothing, so I’m hoping for a lot of enjoyment.

Again, thank you to everyone who made my time here so enjoyable. I wish all members here the best.

38 replies on “Adios”

Hey mike, I completely understand your frustration with the current situation. I quit participating in this forum on a daily basis a few weeks ago because it is too depressing. I continue to support the site (it’s only $10 bucks a month), but I look at it occasionally to see what’s being discussed. It still makes me beyond angry, how the fuck did the republicans let this happen? It is maddening to think about who’s really running this country.
Being a fellow atheist, it’s nice to know that I’m not the only one who believes in conservatism without the religious stuff. If you have to leave, I think I understand your reasoning for doing so, words alone are not going to turn this country around. take care.

P.S. Your mother was a hamster!

I hope that you change your mind and stay, we could use you. I joined because of the MB2A first video where a plan was laid out, ok an outline of a plan was laid out, and I needed to see and be part of a plan to turn this titanic around. The plan and steps to success are being filled in by us, when I see or hear of something that could help us we post them. I arrived just now as I wanted to throw out an idea if it was not already up. So today I found something worth posting and to my dismay you are considering departing. It is true that I have not been here long but yours is a voice I have come to depend on hearing. All of us together we are stronger.
Anyhow the thing I was going to post is yet another way we can affect the candidates without running for office becoming part of your local precinct committee. Others may have known about it but it is new to me. There are currently about 200,000 vacant slots around half of the total positions. These positions have the power of helping to choose who gets to run for a political office and vote those RINO’s out and put in better candidates. Here is the 12 minute video https://youtu.be/6TADnSeBXJA

Michael I will miss your comments and insights; but I think you are being premature in your departure. I find this site to be relatively unique in that there are roughly 7000 people who agree on 80% plus from a policy standpoint. LBJ really got this ball running 58 years ago. That is more than 2 generations. This fight will take at least as long to finish.
My own first step is not supporting those who think 60 dictates by the WH in two weeks is a good thing.
The next step is finding people locally for each of us who are willing to run for state or local office, once only. For my part I am working on vetting 3 specific people who are small business owners and have a certain amount of local name recognition. One I have eliminated since he seems to like mandates that are for our protection too much for my liking, The other two are taking time and convincing them to run won’t be easy.
I am finding myself having to research how to get people on ballots, signatures, and the like. These things take time.

As I say below, yes, MB2A would have been a long-term effort. But the inspiration people took from the initial videos should have been captured and used as a driving force. People don’t stick with things thay they see no follow-through on from the ones who get them started.

The patience is not strong in this one…

I disagree with the statement that the series diverged from its original goal. Maybe we had 1-2 weaker episodes but they are all on the theme and emphasize on some important thing. Also None of them annul earlier episodes and put the tasks and aims stated earlier on hold.
Moving off the road used up a good century and went at high speed for the last 30 years. Did anyone think moving back will happen in a few weeks after awakening? Or even by 2022 or 24 if all remaining forces engage?

If you spoiled a genaration and a half, then the baseline of cure is around two generations time. With some miracles just one may be enough. But much less?

Does your leavin because it didn’t happen overnight and was not even promised bring the desired outcome closer?

Yes, it’s a long-term effort. But capitalizing on initial enthusiasm makes it a stronger effort from the outset and on through the whole time it goes on.

What was missing from the later episodes were the explicit connections between the topics and the movement. Those are essential. Like I said, even the name disappeared from the screen. The topics and their presentation were good in and of themselves but they were isolated from the goal. Being isolated, they became that “Bill Whittle Now without Scott Ott.”

Everything Bill has ever said is good for making America what it’s intended to be. But MB2A was a specific project that needed to be uniquely defined and supported. The later videos failed at that.

We look outside ourself for inspiration and inside ourself for motivation. Maybe you are letting yourself down.

I also will miss your contributions. I think that your work so far on the return to the values and structures of the American way has been invaluable; so I’m a little sad to see you leave.

Mike, even though I’m a very new member, I’m sad to see you go. It saddens me that a member wants to leave. Right away, I could tell you were a large voice here. If we’re going to get anything moving, we have to stick together. Where else are we going to meet? We have so much to do but it isn’t going to happen overnight. This movement needs time to get people together. This is the first group of people with which I’ve been willing to post comments. Ever.
I didn’t know about Bill Whittle until a friend of mine mentioned him. This is probably naive, but I feel like we need to be VISIBLE. The ache to get rolling and make something happen is real. How do you get people excited? How do you get people to “want” to be a part of the movement? I don’t think we’re going to get far if we wait for people to stumble onto this website. I keep trying to think of how to be VISIBLE. It’s probably hokey but what about a clear “slogan” or name? Maybe it is Moving Back to America. Maybe it’s something else. I think about driving around my little corner of America and what I notice. I notice Trump signs that are STILL posted. I notice bumper stickers. I notice flags. How do we reach people who are just going about their lives? People who are as fired up as we are, but like us, they just don’t know what to do or how to focus their energy?
If I saw a sign, a flag, a bumper sticker that had “Moving Back To America” on it, along with a website, I’d check it out. We need a place for people to GO, for people to get information and join the movement.
We need a leader. I thought that would be Bill Whittle. As I spend time here, I realize that Bill has many irons in the fire and that he is probably doesn’t have time to be the leader we need, but was a great person to bring us together. And I hope we stay together! I think that leaders naturally pull their way to the top of a group. It’s an organic, fluid process. I haven’t been here long enough to know the group. Is that leader Mike? Someone else?
I know little to nothing about politics and how to organize a movement. We are preaching to the choir here. That’s probably part of the process but at some point don’t we need to move to step 2? Wouldn’t step 2 be to get the message out beyond the “choir”?
I have many thoughts and I have a lot to say. I’m just not good at putting it into written form. I apologize for rambling or having a disconnected message. I am ready to get out the message!

I’ve been in leadership positions before but for MB2A I would never have asked for that. Maybe if things evolved naturally in that direction I might have assumed that role but I would have been plenty content just doing what I was already doing or switching to some other role.

There are many, many good people here. You’re clearly one of them. πŸ™‚

Michael,
Thank you for the work you put into the “sovereign citizen” (what I call it) document. It was well laid out and covered things I hadn’t thought about that we’d lost over time. I know it took a lot of your time, and I hope it will be put to good use in the near future.
I appreciate your humor though I still will fight to the death over onions. πŸ™‚ (I’m southern, what can I say?)
I never cared about your belief system. I care about each persons “content of their character”. It’s refreshing you felt welcome here.
I continue to get valuable tidbits from the vids and member posts here, but I agree it has changed from what it began as.
I think we each need to use our unique talents and gifts to contribute to turning this mess around. Although I haven’t been with BW & team for long, it seems Bill’s true, heart-singing, activity is what he talked about in the last video. I can see how his whole face lights up when he talks about this stuff on the Stratosphere Lounge.
Anyway . . . I’m sure you’ll find the outlet for your drive and “want” to take action for our country. πŸ™‚
May you live well and see as much of that 300 as possible.
Blessings!

I, for one, will miss your ideas and input, but I also feel that nothing is happening towards our goals and all the talk isn’t getting anything done. I thought we were going somewhere until the rumors of President Trump starting the Patriot Party got going, but there hasn’t been an official statement yet saying this is real and not just smoke and mirrors to put fear into the other side. My whole feeling now is What is Everybody Waiting For? It almost seems the Dems are waiting for something to happen too! Maybe we’re waiting for the results of the latest impeachment debacle? Waiting for something to pop is getting very discouraging. I’m like an old soldier waiting for the end of my watch so I can go to sleep. At 76, I don’t have the stamina for this anymore.

It seems “we” are always waiting for something.
Waiting for our next Pres. to “save us”. Waiting for the next election to try our best to vote out corrupt politicians and they still win over and over again.
Waiting for that “plan” that will rid us of all the cabal and traitors to our country.
Waiting for our “masters” to tell us when we can remove the mask, go back to work, open our business again.
Waiting for a “leader” to look towards like another sort of “savior” to lead us into battle to get back what we squandered away.
Waiting for the impeachment results to see if we can possibly hold on to Trump (hope) for a little longer.
We don’t need a President, leader, etc. to save or lead us.
We (all Americans) need to get up off our asses, find some intestinal fortitude, and resist!
Every day that passes they are putting their plan into place on how to stamp us out and take our guns (and every other right we have).
We need to decide if social media, cable, MSM, Pro Sports, Amazon Prime, Alexa, Smart devices, drive thru’s, big box stores, mega banks, and instant gratification are more important than saving our country.
En masse we can affect change. A handful here and there . . . they can pick us off one by one.
We ARE the rulers of our destiny. We ARE the leaders we need.
We The People ARE an unstoppable force. Did you see all the people that showed up to Trump rallies? Every single one of them need to walk away from the far left products/services, etc.
The politicians are our elected “leaders”, not our “rulers”.
We The People were left in charge of taking care of this country and making sure we left it in good shape for our children and their children.
Swift actions, en masse, bring them to their knees.
We really don’t have the luxury of waiting.

I disagree. We do need a leader (or leaders) to lead us. Most people are followers, even Patriots. Most people need actionable objectives: “Go here. Do X. Come back.” All the people that showed up at Trump rallies did so because Trump was their leader. He asked, they came. The 500,000+ Patriots that went to the capitol went because they were asked to do so.

The American Revolution didn’t occur en masse with a bunch of individuals rising up. It required George Washington and a handful of others to whip them up out of their beds, shake them vigorously, and recruit them. Washington himself lamented at the untrained, soft-headedness of his fellow colonists and how difficult it was to keep them awake.

I think we have PLENTY of people who are “leader” potential, but we won’t “find” them or become them if we’re “waiting” on whatever like David V. mentioned in his comment.

So 70 million are so of us are “waiting” for someone to come around and shake us and recruit us?
My point was all 70 million or so (the Trump rally #’s example) of us could start doing things to put the pressure on the far left. I created a list of 18 things newbies could start doing now.
How long will we wait for “someone” to come along who will lead us?
I don’t think we need someone to tell us “go do that and come back for your next assignment”. We can take initiative ourselves.
Or we can continue to sit back and “wait”. From what I see, it’s exactly what got us into the mess. JMHO

Yeah. IMO Bill pointed it out several times loudly. But some of the message still got lost…

Moving Back to A does not mean moving back to 1776. And join up behind Washington. It may look so for some, but it was not the birth of America. That happened way before. (I think it was even in one of the recent episodes.) When people sold their stuff, left their friends behind, took a ? months voyage to the unknown. And once there didn’t ask for help, expected others to carry them or enjoy the nicely built infrastructure, economy and everything. Just poked a few stakes around raw land, found some materials to build a shelter, then started to create the life around themselves.
W only came in when king G got excessive in exploiting those people and they decided to not take it anymore.

While we can draw a parallel with current Washington DC and the states trying similar exploitation. But where are the people who created their life and strictly refuse to give in? I’d think business owners could be the closest, but 999 of 1000 are happy to roll over and obey to all the unconstitutional verdicts. Even if there was an actual leader, he has hardly anything to lead at the moment.

It’s an old observation that you can’t really free a slave, he can only do it himself. So the first thing is to have the slaves recognise and want the freedom. Instead of a mommy state that protects them from fantasy epidemics and send them free money time to time.
Bill is at least working on painting the picture with potential to move the souls. I think he deserves more kudos than some give — based on no miracle happened in the 2 week timeframe and nothing on the horizon.

That’s a strange comment. Wasn’t it pointed out very clearly in the first few episodes that we can’t expect solution coming form the above? Sure, if people keep waiting for St. Trump to make some move and maybe do some light fiddling till then nothing will happen Ever.

If you want a patriot party, you have to do it yourself. And it can be done. So just engage. And all the other things too.

Disappointed in Bill because he’s not organizing? He’s an influencer. His role is to expose the god ideas for people to pick up. Also pointing out the bad ideas if necessary. But knowing the path will do nothing unless people in the audience start actually walking on it. And call other people to do the same.

I just want to point out that I wasn’t expecting Bill to lead the effort, just to acknowledge that it was underway. His role would have been to provide the vision, ours to make it happen. Bill asked for people to join him for this, which sets up the expectation that he’ll stick with it even minimally. The people doing the work would have needed him to recognize and spur their efforts. He walked away from even that minimal involvement, and awfully quickly. Or someone else could have taken the lead but would still need Bill’s imprimatur for legitimacy. If things had even gotten that far, I’d still be eagerly at work.

He does need to involve himself in the forum itself more. That was my question for TSL but I don’t think he got that far.
I’m not sure if we need his blessing, but you’re right that it would’ve given increased motion to the effort; although I am surprised at the lack of involvement from members in general, considering the amount.
Perhaps some of it can be attributed to conservatives not being the online social types. Suffice to say though, that having run forums with those sorts of membership before, we would get at least 150 active to 300-400 peak. I’m not seeing that here, and we know at least 1000 of those 7000+ are new.

I read somewhere once that there are on average something like 100,000 people in the world who match all your viewpoints. If that’s so then I ought to have had about 490 members here jumping on board with me. Didn’t … quite … get there with the group I started. lol

As someone who grew up bilingual when it comes to the aspect of world view I’m aware that there are both smart and respectful people on both sides. I’m glad that you could experience that.
Thank you for everything that you have done. And I agree with you that this community probably won’t do anything large scale. I never thought it would. I do contribute financially because they do more than nothing. Not because I think they will change the world. But at the same time I have to say that every large scale movement needs time for a build up. You are more involved in what this community is trying to do. Because of that I can imagine that your judgement is more likely correct than mine. And depending on their progress I will quit in a few months or years down the line.
I wish you the very best and enjoy your retirement. Hopefully you will not be swept up in the current culture war. Going to somewhere remote is a good strategy, but sometimes having a good community is a better strategy. I wish that your gamble will play out as you expect it to.

Michael,
I cannot gather adequate words to express my disappointment(?), sadness(?), remorse(?) … what’s the word?
I suppose that I will have to settle for the words that Edward Smith has already written: I will miss you. I will miss your contributions the the discussions herein. It matters not that we disagreed, rather that we discussed. Such a pleasure it has been.
May you be blessed in all your pursuits for your remaining ~235-ish years.

Before you go, I would like your comments/ideas about this:
https://billwhittlecom.wpenginepowered.com/gamestop-gambit-flips-market-script-reaction-recruits-new-members-to-team-liberty/#comment-33831
Specifically, I was hoping you’d be one of the people to add to it.
“Employing another of my stronger talents, I wrote up some documents – one of which was, if I do say so myself, pretty damn impressive – to serve as a statement of the reasons for MB2A and a call to join us to anyone in the country who shared our principles and had the same desire to take the country back, as well as potential guidelines for managing the effort.”
I agree. That’s why I’m still asking for your input. BTW, that document that is “pretty damn impressive” needs to be moved to the front of the line, where it’s easier to find. Maybe some of the others as well. And realistically, they need to be moved back to the front of the line several times if you want them to have any effect.
We have to play a long game here. To be honest, at 62, I feel like all I can do is lay groundwork for people with more youth and energy to take up.
Don’t get me wrong, I understand, or at least I think I do. I get depressed and ready to give up myself. I tend to feel like I’m the only one still fighting. I tend to feel like it’s all talk.
But the thing is, we can’t really do much in terms of acting until the next election. Even on the most local levels, that’s likely to be a year. Given that, yes, we need to talk it to death. Why? So that whoever volunteers to be on a ballot doesn’t need a script, that’s why. He doesn’t have to have his handlers telling him what to say through an earpiece. He knows what he believes, and why, so he can just speak from the heart and it doesn’t have to be spun and it doesn’t have to be massaged.
That’s part of it. Another part is hammering out the platform, which we’ve been making some (slow) headway on. You’re right though, we need to have an actual plan of action, not just what we want our organization to be, but how we’re going to go about building it. We need to figure out who the shock troops are going to be, the guys who are going to actually put their names on ballots, with all the messiness and indignity that entails. I’ll admit that deep down, I am fervently hoping to avoid being one of the sacrificial lambs myself, I’d much rather clean sewers. And besides, we need more youth and energy than I have, especially since we’re starting at the small, local level.
But Bill, Scott and Steve can only do so much, we need to be putting this together as well. I’d suggest we mine Scott for ideas, since he’s been at least partly on the inside of the political game before.
I don’t know what to do. But I’m still looking. And the thing is, when we find ideas, and we find things we can do to help, we need to be able to have them show up here.
Please think it through before you go. Whoever does this is going to need people like you, and I keep hoping some of our talent pool will come from right here.

Damn you! You reminded me of the thing I love best about being here – the intellectual discussions and challenges.

Anyway, I wrote up a reply. πŸ™‚

Thanks. I read it. I probably won’t be able to give you a worthwhile reply before this weekend.

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