As Russian troops retreat from Kyiv, Ukraine, they leave streets strewn with evidence of war crimes. But in the chaos of combat, how can there be a hierarchy of evils, ranking some kinds of killing as worse than others?
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57 replies on “Atrocity: Russian Retreat Leaves Evidence of War Crimes, but Why Is This Kind of Killing Worse?”
To be honest, from a support standpoint, I’m sitting this one out. To be clear, I’m very sympathetic to, and supportive of, the civilians that are having to deal with this war and the loss of innocent life. On the other hand, I don’t trust a single thing I see or read when it comes to the coverage of this war. I also am not forgetting the level of corruption where Biden, his son and Ukraine are concerned.
A news video was played at church a few weeks back. The reporter was standing in front of several lines of covered bodies laid out on the ground that were supposed to have been killed by Russian soldiers – at least that was the reporting on the post. One of the bodies was exposed when a breeze came up and the ‘dead’ person suddenly came to life to cover himself back up. It turns out that the the video was several years old from a climate change policy protest in Vienna. The video had been shortened to remove the resurrected body portion. Both sides – plus ours – are guilty of spewing propaganda.
Zelenskyy is definitely involved with the WEF and their Great Reset efforts to achieve world governance, finance and population control. Additionally, for someone with a target on their back, he is somehow able to easily and frequently distribute videos to everyone on the planet, including the grammy awards show. I don’t trust him nor who or what is supporting him from behind.
Putin is definitely on the side of nationalism and maintaining his sovereignty over Russia. Not our definition of nationalism or sovereignty, for sure, but he’s resisting the Great Reset – at least I believe that is part of his motivation for his invasion along with others. He doesn’t want the globalists growing in number nor having any part of it so close to his border. Knowing that he is a brutal ex-KGB agent who also suffers from world domination syndrome, I don’t trust him either nor his involvement with China. China is also against the reset and has the same aspirations as Putin, so they’re buddies for now. In the end, they will both want world domination on their terms, so their friendship is one of convenience.
Just like Covid and Climate Change, the elites are taking advantage of a crisis – be it real or manufactured and no matter how horrific – to achieve their goals. So instead, I’m keeping tabs on the WEF and its supporters, the UN, the EU and our own corrupt government. They’re working in concert with each other and they’ll use anything as a diversion. Beware of the shiny objects.
I hate to mention this, I really do.
First, please understand that I have ZERO sympathy for Putin or the Russians in this.
That said, while I object to the idea of tying someone’s hands behind their back and shooting them, and that certainly bears the *look* of an atrocity, there’s something I can’t help remembering…
You can’t blame anyone for targeting civilians when civilians are targeting them. It’s the same situation as in Iraq and Afghanistan. Granted, I don’t consider the Ukrainians terrorists, they are people defending their homes. But if civilians are trying to pull off dirty tricks that kill tanks (and apparently succeeding in some cases) then they have declared themselves to be combatants.
So far as I can tell, the biggest single factors in whether or not “war crimes” get committed are 1. as Bill said, the attitude of the High Command toward them. If they know the leadership is okay with it, it’s much more likely to happen. But also, 2. The level of discipline throughout the ranks. It’s one thing to know that the senior command has the attitude that _____ is not okay. It’s another to know that the senior command has set forth “bright lines” of conduct, and that any crossing of those lines will be punished to the full extent of the regs, and further that everybody in the chain of command will instantly lose all sympathy for you if they find out you crossed those bright lines.
When US soldiers pissed on the corpses of fallen enemies in Afghanistan, the people up their chain of command probably sympathized with them… in private. But those far enough up to have the headaches that go with command didn’t care how much they sympathized, the failure of discipline could not be tolerated, as such is a rot that spreads fast.
So… I can’t blame Russians for trying to kill civilians who are actively trying to kill them at a given moment. And the thing is, going from there to “they’re all trying to kill us, just shoot them all and let God sort them out” may be an atrocity… or it may just be a major failure of discipline. From what I’ve heard of the Russian troops, and their discipline and morale, the latter seems likely whether the former is true or not.
I always hated but supported the destruction of water tank oases in the Mexican dessert. I’m pretty sure the coyotes could have called for help. If they cared about human life.
The other thing which should not go without mention is that the globalists tried to pull one of the levers of power…the climate crisis…a few days ago by having the UN report that we are all doomed…according to their scientific consensus, of course, LOL…if we don’t act immediately to save ourselves and the earth (I guess the the whole 12-year clock thingy has run out). To their horror, I’m sure, the attempted distraction was met with apathy of epic proportions.
I wish they would just cut to the chase and introduce us to the aliens. Would be a lot more efficient and a lot less stressful.
Ukraine is a cover up for globalist crimes and a distraction as they try to finish off their coup.
I would put more faith in the media if 1) the globalists hadn’t censored the information coming out of Russia to silence the opposition as is their M.O. here in the U.S. with regarding to pandemic doctors or conservatives or whomever, 2) the globalists hadn’t covered up the U.S. biolabs in Ukraine,3) the CIA hadn’t overridden a House amendment which would have prevented them from training members of the neo-Nazi Azov brigade (see below), 4) the same media would have shone a spotlight on the corrupt dealings of our establishment in the country while allowing the Fed to loan our banks by printing trillions of dollars starting in March of 2020 as Glenn Beck reports (…) and 5) YouTube weren’t shadow banning my comments if not deleting them entirely when trying to discuss any of these things.
If they rigged an election to preserve their trillions and attempt at global domination, they can sure as hell get a few bodies from the morgue and take photographs. In fact, they don’t care about life, so they probably wouldn’t bother with the inconvenience of going to the morgue.
You have to understand one thing. They don’t care about life or truth and will lie without reservation. They are evil. They don’t think like we do. Life means nothing to them. It’s a credit to all of us that we have a hard time believing that as we think the exact opposite.
I don’t give automatic credence to every conspiracy theory, but the globalist MSM lost the benefit of the doubt from me a long time ago. I’ve just seen too much.
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“In March 2015, Ukrainian Interior Minister Arsen Avakov announced that the Azov Battalion would be one of the first units to be trained by US Army troops, as part of their Operation Fearless Guard training mission. US training was discontinued on June 12, 2015, when the US House of Representatives passed an amendment banning all aid (including weapons and training) to the battalion because of its neo-Nazi past. The amendment was then revoked under pressure from the CIA (here and here) and the soldiers of the Azov Battalion were trained in the United States (here and here): “We have been training these guys for eight years now. They are really good fighters. That’s where the Agency’s program could have a serious impact.”
(the letter linked here has all the links referenced above)
Archbishop Viganò: ‘The Coup D’état by the New World Order Is Almost Complete’
https://newspunch.com/archbishop-vigano-the-coup-detat-by-the-new-world-order-is-almost-complete/
It’s time to AUDIT big banks & the Fed. Here’s why.
https://youtu.be/66iam-kA9uQ
Everything is not as it seems. Not saying necessarily that the Russians didn’t kill these civilians, but Zelensky is being forced into compliance with the globalists and is a member of the WEF and has neo-Nazi’s fighting with him who are reportedly killing civilians. Hard to know what to believe, but I don’t trust the darling of the globalist fascist MSM propaganda machine as far as I can throw him.
Neo-nazi and extremist movements in Ukraine
“These are the “heroes” fighting together with the Ukrainian Army against the Russian soldiers. And these heroes of the Azov Battalion, instead of protecting their children, dare to make their own flesh into meat for slaughter, enlisting boys and girls”
From the following…
Archbishop Viganò: ‘The Coup D’état by the New World Order Is Almost Complete’
https://newspunch.com/archbishop-vigano-the-coup-detat-by-the-new-world-order-is-almost-complete/
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Ukrainian Soldiers Begin Shooting Citizens Who Are Not Nazis
https://newspunch.com/ukrainian-soldiers-begin-shooting-citizens-who-are-not-nazis/
I tend to believe the people on the front lines who specifically were not wearing uniforms when fired upon and were told “Azov” when they asked who was firing. Could be a false flag by people seeking to remain free from globalism, but I doubt it.
The end of Blackhawk Down makes a crucial reference. The soldiers are running the Mogadishu Mile back to the safe space. They are being shot at by gunmen who, by international law, legal combatants. The US soldiers are returning fire. A gunman falls dead. A woman, perhaps the gunman mother comes running out to cry over the man. The soldier must hold his fire. She is not a legal combatant. He is heard whispering under his breath “Don’t do it.” She is distraught and mourning. She is still not a combatant. Then she grabs the dead man’s weapon, points it in the soldier’s direction and fires. She has just become a legal combatant and the soldier responds legally an leathally.
Civiliansare not legal combatants unless they make themselves one. Soldiers may take Civilians as prisoners if they have made themselves combants. They are then to be treated as prisoners and handed over the Civilian authorities.
I think Russian soldiers are dancing across a thin line they are not allowed to cross.
Do they have justification? Even our laws say we must hear evidence from both sides.
You make some very good points. A buddy of mine who works in intel came over and we had a couple beers before dark tonight. We discussed this in the same light you’re shedding on it.
The towns in question and specifically Bucha had destroyed Russian armored vehicles lining the main thoroughfare and dead bodies laying around them. Many of the dead were ununiformed male Ukrainians of military age.
Looking at the photos it’s pretty obvious there was a battle between civilian irregulars and the Russians. Those armored vehicles didn’t just blow themselves up.
Which indicates that the ununiformed dead were in fact combatants and thereby legal targets. However …
That does not explain the dead who were found with their hands bound behind their backs and shot in the head. Note, there were a lot fewer of those than there were people who appeared to be lying where they fell in the course of a fight.
If I had to guess, and it’s only a guess, I’d say that the Russians executed civilian irregulars rather than be burdened with them as prisoners. Prisoners who would consume their dwindling supplies, siphon off manpower to guard them and slow the Russians down in general. You don’t want to get in the way of a Russian who’s running away from a fight. If those were in fact executed prisoners then that would be a war crime if that’s what happened.
Ukraine is far from pure as the driven snow and knows quite well how to turn a situation into a propaganda opportunity and … I don’t blame them for that if that’s what they did.* They’re fighting for their lives and their country, propaganda is a legitimate tool and the Ukrainians appear to be using it quite successfully.
As long as they didn’t violate the international conventions of war in the process that is.
That said, I personally have significant first hand experience with Russian military people and it doesn’t require even a scintilla of imagination to think the Russians would execute prisoners illegally and commit war crimes.
Very likely the truth is somewhere between the two extremes of “hundreds of atrocities committed by the Russians” that Ukraine and the Western Media is claiming and the “We didn’t do it” claim by the Russians. Both sides are liars but if I put them on a scale the Russians are much bigger, known liars.
As for the “Azov Battalion” it is barely a battalion at all. There are an estimated 900 actuals in the Azov Battalion and that’s only a couple, maybe three organic companies. By contrast a Marine Corps Battalion can have up to 1200 actuals and a Marine Battalion includes much more potent weaponry, intel and comms than the Azov Battalion can wield anything close to on its best day.
900 volunteers sketchily armed is a relatively tiny force in a conflict of this size. The averaged estimates of Russian casualties are 10 times that many actuals. If those Azov guys are responsible for everything they’re being claimed or blamed for their supermen or space aliens. I don’t think they’re either one.
Those Azov guys are reported to be fierce fighters but I think a lot more is being made of them than they actually deserve. To listen to some people, even here on this site, they’re everywhere in Ukraine. That’s just not supported by the facts that can be known at this time.
*(I had to come back to this comment and add this edit because there are people here on BWC suffering from the Dunning-Kruger effect who intentionally misread what I say. I’m not saying that it’s OK if the Ukrainians killed noncombatants to hoax the appearance of Russian atrocities and war crimes. That’s still a war crime and it’s illegal and wrong. I’m saying that if the Ukrainians made the incident out to be more than it is, or something it isn’t actually, for propaganda reasons then that is understandable. It’s also very effective as the Ukrainians have wrung more sanctions and more condemnation of the Russians from that propaganda, whether it’s completely true or not.)
Its triggered huge reinforcements. https://youtu.be/BUSIdOepNEs The best guess is that Ukraine will have enough armour to be back up to full strength in two months. all the russian positions will be in Bayraktar drone range. Ukraine is acquiring medium cruise missiles capable of hitting bases, strategic targets and ships within 200 miles. Russia is calling up untrained reservists.
If you can’t see Bucha as the obvious fake that it is, you really can’t do anything for the Conservative movement. Please snap out of it. Watch John Doyle on Youtube.
I’ve seen reports from days ago. These are not fake. It’s only now that the cameras can safely get in. You would have to assume that the russians are saints to believe there are no civilian dead. All armies have sadists that work there way into the ranks. This is a three way war Zelensky beat the guys that were doing deals with Biden, Clintons and Soros.
Zelensky appears to have been forced into compliance with the New World Order by the globalists (Biden, Clintons, Soros, etc.) Plus, if you read the rest of the letter from Archbishop Vigano, which I highly recommend you do given your already intimate level of understanding, the neo-Nazi’s in his armies are killing Russian civilians within certain regions, and he’s no saint himself.
Archbishop Viganò: ‘The Coup D’état by the New World Order Is Almost Complete’
“It is evident that the IMF’s interventions are aimed at obtaining the Ukrainian government’s commitment to align itself with the economic, fiscal and social policies dictated by the globalist agenda, beginning with the “independence” of the Central Bank of Ukraine from the government: a euphemism with which the IMF calls on the Kiev government to renounce legitimate control over its Central Bank, which is one of the ways in which national sovereignty is exercised, along with the issuance of money and the management of public debt. On the other hand, just four months earlier Kristalina Georgieva had launched the Great Reset together with Klaus Schwab, Prince Charles and UN Secretary-General António Guterres.
What had not been possible with previous governments was brought to completion under the presidency of Zelensky, who entered the good graces of the WEF (here) along with the new Governor of the BCU, Kyrylo Shevchenko. Less than a year later, in order to prove his subjection, Shevchenko wrote an article for the WEF entitled Central banks are the key to countries’ climate goals and Ukraine is showing the way (here). Thus the Agenda 2030 is implemented, under blackmail.”
https://newspunch.com/archbishop-vigano-the-coup-detat-by-the-new-world-order-is-almost-complete/
Who knows exactly what the truth is, but Archbishop Vigano is right over the target in my opinion for which the globalist fascist-supporting MSM rewards him with the title of conspiracy theorist. Of course, given lack of full access to information, educated guesses are demanded and some will be incorrect.
Zelensky is a member of the WEF.
Definitely see your point. If you really want to see where these guys are coming from, I highly recommend this recent Virtue Signal:
Naive or Skeptical: How to Find the Rational Between Conspiracy Theories and Gullibility
https://billwhittlecom.wpenginepowered.com/naive-or-skeptical-how-to-find-the-rational-between-conspiracy-theories-and-gullibility/
It’s a spectrum, and as Bill states, he is much closer to not giving the benefit of the doubt to these people (as am I) than he was before after witnessing everything that has happened in the last 10 years or so. He’s currently doing a series on the Great Reset.
He says something like you can connect the invisible dots, but you just need to make sure the dots are real with which I fully agree.
Problem with fascists is that by the time you see the whites of their eyes, it will be too late.
Glenn Beck appeared on Tucker promoting his book on the Great Reset back in January or February. I’m sure a lot of people still dismissed him as a kook and Tucker as partisan, which for me is frustrating. Like you, I say to myself what the hell else do people need to see?!
Then I remind myself that I follow this stuff every day and have been for quite a while now as I saw the existential threat potential from the establishment rear its ugly head after Trump won in 2016. The Swamp was clearly not going to drain quietly into that good night.
Which is where you and I and millions like us in the invisible army come in. We’ve pushed, pulled and dragged, and now it’s very gratifying to watch ESG scores hit the mainstream media. People might dismiss Beck, Carlson and even Elon Musk, but it’s much harder to dismiss Kim Iversen and The Hill.
Kim Iversen: Elon Musk BLASTS World Economic Forum’s ESG Social Score. Bill Gates TOPS The List
https://youtu.be/-Cw27U1524A
Now we can talk to our friends and family freely about ESG at least without being labeled conspiracy kooks. LOL. The rest will come out soon enough. By summer I believe if not Memorial Day, the entire country will be aware of the attempted coup by the globalist, fascist establishment led in America by the Democrats, the RINO’s and the majority of the same who occupy positions in our intel agencies, Wall Street and the administrative state, to all of whom I’ll paraphrase the soup Nazi (Seinfeld) and say…
“NO GREAT RESET FOR YOU!!!”
You should read the following letter from Archbishop Vigano if you haven’t already. He wrote one to Trump in October, 2020 as well…
Archbishop Viganò: ‘The Coup D’état by the New World Order Is Almost Complete’
“It is evident that the IMF’s interventions are aimed at obtaining the Ukrainian government’s commitment to align itself with the economic, fiscal and social policies dictated by the globalist agenda, beginning with the “independence” of the Central Bank of Ukraine from the government: a euphemism with which the IMF calls on the Kiev government to renounce legitimate control over its Central Bank, which is one of the ways in which national sovereignty is exercised, along with the issuance of money and the management of public debt. On the other hand, just four months earlier Kristalina Georgieva had launched the Great Reset together with Klaus Schwab, Prince Charles and UN Secretary-General António Guterres.
What had not been possible with previous governments was brought to completion under the presidency of Zelensky, who entered the good graces of the WEF (here) along with the new Governor of the BCU, Kyrylo Shevchenko. Less than a year later, in order to prove his subjection, Shevchenko wrote an article for the WEF entitled Central banks are the key to countries’ climate goals and Ukraine is showing the way (here). Thus the Agenda 2030 is implemented, under blackmail.”
https://newspunch.com/archbishop-vigano-the-coup-detat-by-the-new-world-order-is-almost-complete/
God bless you and yours.
Let’s examine the time line, shall we? The Russians withdraw from the area, the next day the mayor speaks out about the Russian departure, without any mention of atrocities. What, it slipped his mind? The next day the Azov brigade comes to town. Day four the Ukrainian regulars and the press arrived to find a lot of fresh kills that the Russians left behind five days ago?
That seems to be the correct timeline.
Oh? How so? After reading Wayne’s comment and your reply I took a good hour to check to see if I could find any evidence of that “timeline”, or of Azov Regiment, Brigade or Battalion committing false flag atrocities against civilian non-combatants or anything of the nature. There’s no evidence of that at all.
All the credible news sources I can find, and I looked at news sources from several different countries besides the U.S. — Say that the Ukrainian Regular Army discovered these mutilated bodies and evidence of atrocities as they entered and liberated SEVERAL Ukrainian towns previously occupied by Russian forces.
Not just a single town, which Wayne failed to mention the name of and so we can’t go see what evidence Wayne has to back up his claim. Among those towns were Andrivka, Bucha, Kharkiv and Chernihiv. Those are separate municipalities from Kyiv and well outside Kyiv proper — So if Wayne was referring to the Mayor of Kyiv … It’s not surprising that he didn’t mention something he probably wasn’t aware of yet.
In addition there are dozens and look to eventually be hundreds of Ukrainian civilian eye-witnesses to Russian atrocities and war crimes. Are they all in on a conspiracy to falsely blame the Russians for the gruesome deaths of their neighbors too?
If you either of you have any real, credible evidence to back up Wayne’s “timeline” I’d love to see it. Until then I call bullshit on that nonsense.
You can make up propaganda that exonerates the Russians all you like but that doesn’t make it so unless you can provide some evidence supporting that claim. Oh, and that evidence has to be stronger and more reliable than just making up some crap too. It has to outweigh the evidence being presented that the Russians committed these atrocities and war crimes.
Let’s see it. Trot that out here and we can all judge for ourselves that this “timeline” isn’t just a bunch of baloney. I’m willing to be convinced but I’m not willing to give the Russians a pass just because the two of you say so.
Ukrainian Soldiers Begin Shooting Citizens Who Are Not Nazis
https://newspunch.com/ukrainian-soldiers-begin-shooting-citizens-who-are-not-nazis/
I tend to believe the people on the front lines who specifically were not wearing uniforms when fired upon and were told “Azov” when they asked who was firing. Could be a false flag by people seeking to remain free from globalism, but I doubt it.
I tend not to believe unknown websites I’ve never heard of citing unknown journalists I’ve never heard of claiming to be reporting from hundreds of miles away from the area we’re discussing above. Anyone can (still) say pretty much anything they want to say on the internet.
I could cite a website that claims Lizard People rule the world …
https://davidicke.com/?s=Reptilians
12 Million Americans believe that nonsense, which does not even come close to making it true. At least no closer to any sort of confidence in the truth than the link you posted.
You can find anything you want on the internet.
It takes a certain type of special gullibility to believe everything you read on the internet, especially if it’s what you want to believe.
I get my information from credible sources, like STRATFOR et. al.. You might not have heard of that source but that’s just your ignorance showing if so. STRATFOR is both credible and well known.
If you can post a link to something on STRATFOR that backs up the claim that the poor little Russians are being falsely blamed for something the Russians are well known to do then have at it. Knock yourself out.
Otherwise all you’re doing is giving the Russians a pass. You’re in good company there, that’s what the Red Chinese are saying too. Congratulations on choosing the same side, I’m not at all surprised.
Yeah you’re the authority on “credible sources.” Sure. I’m not familiar with STRATFOR, but that doesn’t mean I’m ignorant. What an arrogant fool. You also made the same false assumption and baseless accusation that anyone who contradicts the narrative is a conspiracy theorist or traitor. You’re interested in refinforcing your bias fed by your arrogance rather than pursuit of actual truth. Piss off. It’s only true if my sources report it!!! OK moron. Sure.
Not to mention I SPECIFICALLY STATED THAT IT’S HARD TO KNOW WHAT THE TRUTH IS. i don’t believe everything I read on the Internet despite your baseless accusation #2. Furthermore, your comparison to a lizard people site is nonsensical on its face.
First of all, have you bothered to investigate their premise? For 60+ years, we were told UFO’s didn’t exist, but yet now they’re being reported on FOX an oh look at that they’ve been around the entire time. Same with Alex Jones being “crazy” for pointing out the globalists meeting at Bilderberg.
Second, I’d hardly call a site about lizard people a close comparison to a guy on the ground in a live war zone, unless you’re saying it’s all an act which is understandable given that they did the same when interviewing the refugees streaming into Europe a few years back, grouping them together and given the group of women and children signs to carry in their protest in order to cover up for the fact that it was mainly working age men entering Europe…oh wait. It was globalist CNN which did that.
But hey. The globalist media full of your “trusted sources” which you deem credible as the arbiter of truth would never lie to you would they?
Then you arrogant “intellectuals” want to accuse everyone else of living in echo chambers while refusing to look at other sources of information. You have to be kidding me.
What’s your claim genius? They put on a helmet in a war zone and staged everything? Like I said, possible, but not likely.
So go ahead. Believe the globalists have nothing to do with this. Purely coincidental that the Kung flu disappeared just in time for them to push Putin into war with promises to help Ukraine join NATO and distract from their attempt at a digital dollar and the rest of the Great Reset.
Last but not least, another tactic of phony intellectuals is to create strawmen they can oppose to ‘score points” hoping their audience won’t catch it. I NEVER SAID THAT THE RUSSIANS DIDN’T KILL CIVILIANS.
You know the Great Reset don’t you? That thing the mainstream media and everyone else including probably yourself called a “conspiracy theory” for the longest time?
So now go ahead and whine on some other back channel or other thread like you did last time so i couldn’t see it and respond. The leftists at YouTube use the same tactic when they don’t allow me to see responses to my comments.
From your vaunted STRATFOR…
https://worldview.stratfor.com/article/rising-support-nuclear-power-will-help-won-t-ensure-japan-hits-its-climate-goals
Their first response shouldn’t be an article talking about Japan’s “climate goals.” It should be an enormous headline saying that THE CLIMATE CRISIS IS ENTIRELY FAKE.
Here’s another website you probably haven’t visited. Different subject, but shouldn’t be disregarded nonetheless…unless they hired these Arizona audit volunteers and gave them a script…
https://a1000cuts.org/
Intentionally damaged ballots. Duplicate ballots. Ballots not on the proper paper. Computer printed ballots with the filled in oval not lining up with the actual bubble.
In fact, you know what? I’ll bet there’s a ton of people out there who haven’t heard of http://www.billwhittle.com.
YYSSW
You just wasted a whole lot of time posting all that drivel because going by what I know of you from previous encounters I’m not going to read a word of it.
…aaaand you take your ball and go home without admitting you’re wrong. Another classic liberal tactic.
You know what’s not worth our time? Arrogant hypocrites who claim they’re unbiased and in search of the truth who defer to an argument from authority based on a self-selected group of websites.
In case you’re wondering, that’s you.
YYSSW, nice spleen venting, please do keep it up. I love it when you do this.
You replied to something I said, I answered you and after that you posted ELEVEN comments about what a horrible person I am, more or less.
That’s funny right there.
It’s funny because it obviously means that I’m a lot more important to you than you are to me by a ratio of +/- 4:1 and depending on how you count what’s said it could be higher — If I could be bothered to do a word count I bet it’s a lot higher — But with this comment I’m just gloating.
I know you’ll say and think what you will and it’s clear you don’t even realize you’re making a fool of yourself but your actions speak way louder than your insipid, boring, trite, uninsightful words and … That’s obvious to anyone who can count.
If you’d like me to taunt you some more, keep doing what you’re doing. I’m not going to address the ignorant things you say, I’m just going to make fun of you. That you’re not bright enough to have realized that yet makes my point for me.
It’s a real treat to see you demonstrate how important I am to you. It’s absolutely hilarious how easy it is to set you off. Ol’ hair-trigger Jeremy is a blast.
I’d thank you but I don’t care enough about you to express any gratitude. I’m amusing myself with you so you don’t really deserve any credit except putz-points.
By all means, please do continue.
And now pretending LOL like you have the upper hand. You are not important to me. What IS important to me is my credibility, and when you or anyone else calls me ignorant, biased or a traitor, I will respond AS ANYONE WOULD. Now, of course, you have to project your own victimhood onto me to make it appear as if I’m the one out of line. Extremely predictable and boring.
Of course, you can’t actually contradict any of my points or admit you’re wrong, so you have to nitpick the form. You absolute suck at debating, and roll out the very same tactic after tactic used by the left. Baseless accusations. Nitpicking. Cherry-picking. Taking your ball and going home while pretending to be right. LOL’s when you have no business doing so as you’re 100% wrong. Face it. You’re wrong. Just admit it. I’m not going to beat you over the head with it, but like the lefties, that’s what you assume I would do and so you don’t apologize.
Go away.
Covered in more detail by Summit News: https://summit.news/2022/04/04/ukrainian-police-said-they-conducted-clearing-op-in-bucha-a-day-before-dead-body-videos-emerged/
We are the objects of an information operation from our intelligence services and their media mouthpieces, just like we were during “Russia, Russia, Russia”, Covid, the Floyd riots, November 3rd, January 6th, etc. The fact that we haven’t got any wiser is discouraging, but with this op, they hit us where we are most vulnerable, a conservative’s innate patriotism. Bill and co. are innately, and reflexively, patriotic, and so the blind spot to our government’s machinations.
Our enemies are here, in Washington. Ukraine is yet another distraction from that fact.
You have to willfully ignorant at this point. It is a really poorly done fake. So many holes in it that you have to be brain dead to not at least question it.
That’s exactly what Moscow and Beijing are saying. Congrats on your synchronicity with those two world renowned bastions of Truth and Justice.
I don’t believe the globalist MSM who works as a propaganda arm for the fascists for a second. Zelensky shuts down free speech, imprisons political opponents, is a member of the WEF and is having his central bank made “independent” from Ukraine.
You should read this if you haven’t. Explains a lot. Vigano wrote a letter to Trump in October, 2020 as well warning him of the Great Reset.
Archbishop Viganò: ‘The Coup D’état by the New World Order Is Almost Complete’
https://newspunch.com/archbishop-vigano-the-coup-detat-by-the-new-world-order-is-almost-complete/
We don’t yet know who committed this atrocity.
Russians have always been this way. It is solid proof that Russia is an uncultured, uncivilized country no matter what the Russians themselves tell you.
There were times during the Cold War that both Russian clandestine operators and American clandestine operators were involved in kinetic actions in the same place at the same time.
That sort of thing was kept fairly quiet in order to avoid a larger, direct conflict between us and them but … There were Americans killing Russians and vice-versa. Anytime you heard the word “advisors” in this application that was generally what was going on. “Advisors” were sent into contested areas to advise, supplement and resource local indigenous forces but a major mission aspect of those “advisors” outside that parameter was to take out opposing “advisors” to facilitate the dominance of our side in whatever conflict was involved. We sent a lot more “advisors” to a lot more places around the world than most average Americans are aware of.
I could tell you stories of what the Russian (Soviet) actuals did that would make you sick to your stomach. I’ll spare you all that because there are people here that simply do not need to see that described in technicolor detail.
Those Russian actuals didn’t do that because they are stupid, brutish people who didn’t know any better. They did it as an aspect of psyops and they did it knowing full well what they were doing was an atrocity and a war crime.
Thus there is no excuse except …
To any form of dictatorship what is good for the dictatorship is considered moral. The Chinese see their persecution of the Uyghur Muslim People as being “good for the State” and thus moral. The same goes for Russians in both past and present tense when it comes to committing atrocities.
Which in Western Thought is no excuse at all. We manage without doing those things and we punish our own when they do them. There’s no reason that the rest of the world needs to employ that sort of tactic and …
There is ignorance involved here too. The ignorance is the idea that such things aid their side. They do not, they stiffen resistance and generate profound, dedicated, fearless opposition. Besides the humane factor that’s why we don’t do that. It simply does not work.
Isn’t “atrocity” defined by the victor? It’s the history writer who sets the terms, post facto. Only since Viet Nam do we get to see – no, have to see war as it is done. In that respect, the world has changed.
No, it’s not. Or at least not necessarily and universally so. A murder is a murder is a murder. It doesn’t matter which side wins that fact doesn’t change in the least. If the Germans had won WWII they would not have considered the industrialization of genocidal death programs to be “atrocities” but that would not make them any less the atrocities they were.
People redefine words to suit their own agenda, hide their own turpitude, mask their real purpose or any of a number of other reasons. That doesn’t change the facts, the facts are not subjective they’re objective.
In a famous misquote attributed to Abraham Lincoln, ol’ Honest Abe was acting in his capacity as a lawyer in a lawsuit long before he became president. This question of definitions came up. Abe asked the witness …
“How many legs does a cow have?”
The witness replied “Well four, obviously.”
Abe said “What if we count the tail as a leg, how many then?”
To which the witness responded “Then the cow would have five legs.”
Abe ended that discussion by saying …
“No, a cow has four legs no matter if you call the tail a leg or not. A leg is a leg and a tail is a tail.”
An atrocity is an atrocity no matter what else someone decides to call it.
This idea that history is only written by the victors has some merit but can only be stretched so far. A lie is still a lie and the bigger the lie the more likely it is to be exposed for the untruth it is.
If winning a conflict allows the winner to arbitrarily define his own subjective truth then there is no such thing as truth. That is a very dangerous practice indeed because … A cow only has 4 legs, that’s the truth.
You’re right, that at root, atrocity is atrocity. My initial take was with regard to the history books, and how the event will live for future generations.
I understand that but while the history books may be somewhat slanted they’re not all that far off either.
This idea that “the victor writes the history books” has some truth to it. Sadly many people think that means that the victor can just make up any “history” they want to and that’s just not so.
What I’m saying is that a person needs to be careful not to fall into the Leftist Social Marxism trap of “personal truth”. There is no such thing and claiming that history is rife with falsehoods made up out of whole cloth is a part of that. That does not convey the truth, it destroys it. This is how we get “revisionist” history like the 1619 Project.
Truth is truth, it is an objective absolute. “Personal truth” is an attempt to deconstruct that basic foundation of reality so that the perception of reality can be molded to whatever shape is desired.
So while the victors may put their own spin on history, that’s a normal and natural characteristic of human nature. It is not at all the same thing as writing complete falsehoods into the history books.
Had the Germans won WWII, they would have tried to impose their own views on the rest of the world. No matter how they as the victors tried to show themselves in a favorable light, the fact of Nazi Death Camps would still be a fact. Even the Nazis would not have tried to deny the industrialized slaughter of 11 – 17 million people, they would have tried to justify it. It would still be the industrialized slaughter of 11 – 17 million people no matter how they tried to color it.
That fact would not change no matter who won that war.
You’re getting a lot of hate on Youtube and Rumble. I think people want the enemy to be simple, and people hate anything that might benefit the former vice president Joe Biden. By the way, I won’t use his ‘official’ title until someone can prove that he earned it.
Not to worry. Biden has gotten *zero* bounce from the war, unlike any other president you could name in a crisis situation.
People don’t trust or respect him, period.
That strikes me as simple enough for anyone except for bots.
Just refer to him as President Biden* like I do
I prefer chairman, personally. All that CCP & Russian money he’s taking, not to mention he didn’t win the election.
Can this happen in America? Look no further than the treatment of the political prisoners from the January 6th Reichstag Fire
That is one of the more frightening things about modern America and it’s frightening because the people doing it seem to be getting away with it.
To be crystal clear, I think those people who trespassed and vandalized the Capital Building are idiots. They’ve done far more damage to our side than would have been accomplished had they been on the other side. That’s a very bad thing to do and wholly counterproductive.
They should have had “the book thrown at them” and been prosecuted for their actual crimes to the fullest extent of the law in direct proportion to the degree each was involved and the damage done by each individual person.
That’s not what’s happening and their treatment in that regard has clearly transcended the status of “common criminal” which is what their actions made them — To “political prisoner”.
Because if the occupation of that building for a brief amount of time with absolutely no chance of overthrowing the Government of the United States of America qualifies them as “the greatest threat to our Democracy” then the same standard has to be applied to the cleaning crew that comes in every night to keep the place tidy.
Exactly.
Yes. It could. But thankfully we’re too far ahead of their globalist propaganda for them to catch up. This Ukraine distraction was their last attempt after equity, climate crisis and the shamdemic, but no one is buying it any more.
ESG is starting to hit the maiinstream media through Elon Musk and now Kim Iversen at The Hill. Social credit scores taking away your freedom tends to wake people up.
This filled in some of the blanks for me from a global perspective. Of course, everything must be taken with a grain of salt, but given that Vigano is a conspiracy theorist in the eyes of the globalist, fascist-supporting MSM
Archbishop Viganò: ‘The Coup D’état by the New World Order Is Almost Complete’
https://newspunch.com/archbishop-vigano-the-coup-detat-by-the-new-world-order-is-almost-complete/
For the record, the globalists in this country as I define the are the Democrat Party, the RINO’s and the administrative agencies and intel agencies of which they comprise a good 85-90% that support them.
Zelensky is a member of Schwab’s WEF, and they’re forcing his compliance.
Question everything, of course, but once you start thinking like an evil mastermind who wants to take over the world (a skill I’ve been honing since age 5), it all makes sense.
Cheers.
I wonder if Nancy Pelosi can see the “divine spark” within the Russian soldiers who committed these atrocities.
… only if she can figure out an angle to work it into her agenda. Outside that parameter nothing else matters to her.