Viral video clip shows protestors taunt and mock a man who thinks his ‘Joe Biden for President’ lawn sign protects him — shows he’s down with the struggle — as he begs, “Don’t destroy anything. Be peaceful.” Some folks in the crowd are not impressed.
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Bill Whittle Network · Protestors Mocks Man Who Thinks His Biden Lawn Sign Shows He’s Down with the Struggle
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I disagree Scott, I grew up in the white ghetto, and we did have police raids etc. Believe it or not, we were happy because they were taking a little part of the scum away or at least putting them on notice. The problem with the Black community is how they react to the police. In my youth, they gave respect, which we did, because we didn’t want to get our ass kicked. This generation of blacks have been taught to scream racism and police brutality, and have no fear of the police. There should be a middle ground, but if I had to choose, give me the bad ass police, they were just old time parents. We just need to be taught respect, and personal responsibility, which will take another generation, because there is none now.
I feel that Scott has a point. This wasn’t the segment for it. Bill was addressing the Mob and their bully ways. What they do is just wrong and should be stopped.
So Scott wants to fight mass incarceration by incarcerating more people. Gotcha.
Some of us have been trying to have “that conversation” for many years. They don’t want to hear the truth, even those that are willing to start a conversation (not the mob). When you point out that most of the inner city violence and arrests have one thing in common – Democrat policies – you’re called all kinds of things, including racist. That shuts down it down.
So how do you have that conversation without addressing the gorilla in the room (and no, that’s not racist)? You cannot solve a problem by ignoring part or most of the problem.
That’s how we got here.
First, the Democrat Party no longer exists as it played out under Truman and Kennedy. Its Fate began in Chicago during the DNC and the final nail hammered into the coffin occurred in 2009 when days away from becoming the 44th President, Obama declared for the “fundamental transformation of America.” in 2016 with election of Donald J. Trump, The NEW Democratic Socialist (OXYMORON) Party also known as The Party of INSANITY and ANTI-Americanism. Going to Warp Speed, ingesting far FAR too many Steroids and hallucinogenics, THE IDEOLOGY and the ‘fundamental transformation of America with aid and comfort from FakeNEWS put ALL their chips into the Pot;
THE IDEOLOGY demands absolute compliance. period. LIE#SW, Distortions, Deception, Misinformation and missions are the weapons of CHOICE. There is NOTHING the “true believer” will not do to achieve their TOTALITARIAN goals, NOTHING. The Vision is myopic, delusional, corrupt and very destructive.
America was not Founded by the Framers nor was the Constitution written by the Framers to allow the Political elected, FakeNEWS, Hollywood, Academia and the Legion of “true believers” to be the arbitrators of QWe, the People’s lives and our Nation.
America is a Nations of LAWS and ORDER and does not function on the whims of TYRANNY.
I have to feel for Scott in trying his darnedest to not just be a member of the chorus. There is an issue with justice in the asymmetric prosecution of poor black youths. The retort to Scott should have been centered around the mid-90s crime bill co-sponsored by Biden in the Senate and recently reformed under Trump. Instead, Bill was trying to make a general statement about mob mentality, what he thought should be the “take home” message of the video.
Sorry, I’d be on the porch with a weapon. Screw these clowns, this is my house.
Bill is a bully. If you don’t agree with him, he just gets louder and louder and angrier and angrier trying to beat you over the head with his point of view. Everyone just shuts down until he’s finished with his rant – you can see it in the look on their faces. It’s a shame really.
It seemed clear to me they were talking about two different topics. Scott was talking about the aggrieved inner city population (which made no appearance in this video from my town of Portland, OR) and Bill was referring strictly to the video on its own merits. I can tell you for this crowd in the video, they do not desire a political solution. It persists here because the city leaders encourage this behavior even after it turns on them as it did with Mayor Wheeler a few months back. The type of behavior exhibited nightly in Portland is not a crowd that you can reason with, which seemed to me Bill’s point. Scott was talking about a different crowd that might have legitimate grievances (but again, not shown in this video).
Have you watched ANY BWN videos? Scott interrupts him mercilessly, frequently not allowing Bill to even complete his previous thought. I find Bill gets angriest when Scott is acting like a liberal, whether as a role, such as with BWN videos, or as a part of who he is, such as in this video.
I don’t see this type of thing ending without bullets, that mob feels totally invulnerable, they need to know a little fear .
Agree that this mob feels totally invulnerable. They should, because the MSM would never dare expose them for their infantile behavior and empty creeds. The Democrats would never do anything but hold them up as heroes. And the Republicans, cowed by screams of their being “white supremecists” and “are you awake!” tuck tail and hide.
Scotts right and Trump responded to that problem which is why he got 20% of the black vote. He may have got 30 or 40% but we may not ever know because Dominion electoral software was designed to move votes from Trump to Biden.
Hey Bill! Thank you for your honesty and courage to speak the truth! You are absolutely correct in your assessment of this situation! Scott, my friend, I think you are reading one too many New York Times articles. Anyway, Bill-I am glad you are pissed! So am I! With so many calls from the left to “unite”- I fear many Republicans and Conservatives won’t have the back bone or stomach to continue to fight against all the BS the left gave us in 2020. Please don’t back down, please continue to speak without fear and that goes for you too Scott (we love you)! And, since I am taking the time to write this comment, I am going to throw a topic out here for a show idea-can we please talk about the of the Senate race in Georgia? This is scary-the Dems are seriously going to pay people to temporarily move to Georgia to vote in the upcoming Senate race (and this is a legal practice)! I would love to hear Bill’s thoughts on this topic.
Because of political correctness no one dares mention the lack of responsibility within certain segments of society. I could give numerous examples but one will suffice, well maybe two; George Floyd is where he’s at because of his actions. While the officer used poor judgment, Floyd started the chain of events. The late Michael Brown is planted because he made poor choices.
As for the anarchist that are terrorizing citizens, they used both the aforementioned examples, and many others, as an excuse. Their BS cause is built on a false narrative.
There is a particular segment of society that needs to fix their families. For every nation that has failed in the past, it more often than not can be traced back to the destruction of the family unit. Let me not be disingenuous, all races are now suffering from this malady, but it is especially noticeable within the black community. 56 years of civil rights has been a dismal failure.
Over the course of 70 years key events have help hasten our national cancer to grow.
1. The advent of television. It is estimated that by 2010 average daily viewing was 9 hours.
2. The removal of prayer in Public Schools. (1960?)
3. The 1969 ruling making it easier for two people to seek divorce.
4. Feminism!
5. The 1970’s lie about the two income household. BTW, we’re more broke today than at any other time in our history.
6. Public Schools. With Mom and Dad working, schools were free to brainwash.
7. Degenerate programming on TV. That industry has perpetrated evil for decades.
And finally…
8. Crooked politicians, greedy corporations, and a rather lazy disengaged voting class.
I’m not perfect, but, while I was out of country for 12 of my 20 years defending her, those 3 groups dismantled it.
Had I had a crystal ball back in 1984, I would have called President Reagan and advised him to leave the wall up.
I have an answer for dealing with these home grown terrorists but I doubt you three would agree with my solution, however, many whom I served with would.
Scott, while I believe your naivety is honest, wholesome and even charming, I also believe that it is dangerously misplaced in this particular instance. That there is injustice to be found in the interurban ghetto communities is undoubtedly true, but it is also undoubtedly true that those places are a war zone that law enforcement can only enter very much at their own risk. Further, it is those very places that are the source of a vast, vast majority of all of the larger surrounding community’s violence and property theft crime. If an all white community was showing all the same asocial tendencies, then that community would also have to be handled in a way that would needfully create gross injustice in any attempt to get some sort of societal handle on the situation! If people being confronted by the police have no respect for law and order, and resist arrest by presenting with a deadly weapon, I see no alternative but to use the necessary force that the situation requires, and the force of that response is then actually the responsibility of the person who is to be arrested, for acting guilty and more especially for truly being guilty of the crime of forcibly resisting arrest. The serious societal breakdown is already fully in place, the crime is truly rampant and doing much to destroy the very fabric of our civilization. Turning the other cheek is all fine and good where and when it has a chance to succeed, but I don’t see that happening here and now. It may just be time to sell our clothes to buy swords and shields, vanquish this foe through force, and then return to a civilized society where logic can bring the blessings of peace and true justice to all !
BTW , AFFH is the left’s tool for bringing inner city violence to every suburban town in American , basically citizens will be taxed to pay to bring undesirable elements into their town. They absolutely hate us with a burning passion.
This morning Glenn Beck had a brief audio of a Yugoslavian ex-pat who now lives in London explaining about how their country was taken over and the steps that she has observed happening in the U.S. Also recently I have seen many posts on Social Media by former Cubans, Guatemalans, Nicaraguans, and Venezuelans describing similar patterns in the countries from which they fled and worrying that we are now allowing the same horrors here in the last haven left on earth.
Scott is right in that, for us to escape that fate, we must learn to meet halfway with the other side and discuss and work out meaningful solutions before we tear each other to shreds. The Founders knew the hearts of men and so set up a system to do just that.
However, Bill is absolutely correct in that it is impossible to meet halfway and have discussions with those who have been totally radicalized and been taught to hate Your Tribe whether based on pigment, gender, age, religion, philosophy, politics or whatever. Or those that just want to fight, loot, burn, yell epithets, plunder, pillage and rape.
Steve is accurate in that bullies only know one thing and must be dealt with in that way. I am not sure how it will work out. But I pray we, as the longest-surviving democratic republic will find that answer and not end up with another Color Revolution for the history books.
I don’t really see it as meeting “halfway.” I truly do believe that criminal justice reform is a conservative philosophy well in line with limited government and strict adherence to the Constitution. I didn’t always think this way, but once I became a criminal defense attorney and started participating in the criminal justice system, it became clear as day just how rampantly corrupt and bloated it is. I would advise a lot of conservatives to disregard what they see on TV, to go down to our local courthouses and try to watch the process like a hawk for a full week. You might begin to notice some of the realities I’ve been forced to accept for years.
By no means am I talking about letting all the criminals out of jail or becoming “soft” on hardened criminals. Those are ridiculous leftist ideas that unfortunately turn a lot of conservatives off to the idea that our justice system broken. Ignore that nonsense.
I’m talking about the overcriminalization (which has gotten so bad to the point that the average person commits 3 felonies a day without even knowing), the lack of accountability for unethical prosecutors (Brady violations are seldom punished), lack of accountability for unethical judges (although it happens, it is exceedingly rare), stacking charges to the point to where plea bargaining can be used to essentially coerce innocent people into pleading guilty (as opposed to exercising their constitutional right to a trial by jury), civil forfeiture laws being used to deprive people of their ability to hire an attorney, making it a felony for federal criminal defendants yet to be convicted of a crime to have guns, grand juries being obsolete due it being a closed door process with just the prosecutor (hence creating a saying that a ‘skilled enough prosecutor could indict a ham sandwich), the culture within a litany of police departments to discourage calling out the bad actors,the fact that most public defenders office don’t even receive one-fifth of the funding/resources a district attorney’s office, that fact that court appointed attorneys receive very little compensation and are essentially employed by the judge (and thus have an incentive NOT to stand up to the judge when necessary) . . . I could go on and on and on, but the average person has no idea how blessed they are to know that the government simply does not have the resources to prosecute every person in this country. Because if it did, it would without hesitation regardless of guilt or innocence. The criminal justice system is fundamentally broken and is a far cry from what our founding fathers intended.
Although a lot of these BLM people are simply out of control thugs who SHOULD BE PROSECUTED (but aren’t because the government would much rather prosecute people who say mean things about Barack Obama), the notion that there is something fundamentally wrong with the criminal justice system is NOT false. The issue is not systematic racism, but there is definitely a problem a lot of black people have unfortunately been on the receiving end of it.
Therefore, as conservatives, we should not only try to build bridges with people who could be persuaded to accept our conservative philosophy (and fixing the criminal justice system with limited government and constitutionalism is a conservative philosophy), but we should also begin taking steps to PROTECT OURSELVES because if these demons are willing to try and dethrone a sitting president because he espouses our conservative ideals, then what is stopping them from coming after us?
I have always been an overachiever. I aim for five-a-day. It’s a private form of resistance of The Man. (didn’t he know Chico?)
You are not dealing with a person you can reason with, you are dealing with a mob and the mob needs to be broken or put in its place.
From Men In Black and Tommy Lee Jones,”A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it.” Couldn’t have put it better. I am afraid some are going to need to be shot to end this. Attack me and I don’t call the police and beg for help, I call 911 and request a bus for you.
One reason the Founders wanted a republic was to not descend into mob rule. The SJW rioters, be they BLM, or whatever is the new mob title, do not want your understanding. What they want is to be satisfied, by getting whatever they want. The problem is that the children have been trained in this method of action by their parents’ collective ignorance of how to parent. A time-out is not going to train the child that what they are doing is wrong The parents gave all of that responsibility to the teachers and those teachers had given up any rational ideas. We had trophies for everyone, gold stars just for showing up. Immediate self gratification is what they want. The unfortunate part, and Bill was right, is that there was no kick back when the rioting first started.
Scott, God bless you, you are a much better Christian than me.
I think the idea of rational conversation is a productive idea and will eventually make this mutual hatred dissipate. However, it appears that BLM has NO intention of improving the conditions of the black community. Their website makes no claim that they have helped one person of any color. This is extortion plain and simple and they are expertly working our society like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton to get all they can from gutless businesses.
If their cause was trying to make a more equatible justice system then BLM should have celebrated when Trump created first step, but that was not their objective.
These rabble rousers are not the ones that we need to negotiate with. We need to take our case directly to the people trapped in the most horrible living conditions of Democrat inner cities because BLM is a bigger threat to them than to the country in general and they should be more receptive to our message.
BLM is using race as a shield and when the black community disavows them they will no longer have the protection of ‘racism’ to hide behind. Then they will be vulnerable to the same laws that govern the rest of us.
BLM, whether it’s the self-proclaimed Marxist institution or the actual protest movement, do not want justice. They want social justice, which is NOT justice. For justice to occur, it must be meted without any consideration to race, sex, or origin. Justice is based upon the equal application of Law without any other considerations. Regardless of how impassioned one’s plea for civil discourse, conflating social demands with justice will never allow civility to return. The Mob is a rabid beast that must be terminated accordingly.
Scott’s making a classic mistake. He’s projecting himself onto others and appears to think that other people deep down are basically just like him. He’s a reasonable, compassionate person and so he tries to find the reasonable and compassionate in others. This is a form of anthropomorphization in the sense that it attributes characteristics to that which does not possess those traits.
And it’s always a mistake.
I learned this a long time ago when I discovered it is not true that “Inside every enemy, (be they communist guerillas, Muslim extremists, Baltic Nationalists, narcotics traffickers etc.) is an American trying to get out.” It’s just not so. There are people whose ways of thinking and worldview make them so foreign to the way someone like Scott Ott thinks that those people might as well be aliens from another solar system. If their physical bodies were as alien as their minds it would be a lot easier to understand this.
(Please note that I’m not saying anyone who doesn’t think like Scott, or me for that matter. is automatically “bad”. That’s not my point at all. Some of them are what at least I myself consider good people and active or potential allies. I make this judgement based on my comprehension that they are not like me and they don’t think the way I do. Man being a social creature we don’t have to be the same to agree we have common interests.
In fact, MOST white non-Americans such as Europeans and Australians, do not understand the American fervor for patriotism. It’s not the way they think of their countries and for good reason. It is a subject best avoided when dealing with those people as they do not “get it” and many will believe you’re some kind of nut for bringing it up. It is a mistake in perception to assume they feel the same way about their country as I do about mine. They just write it off as some sort of American mass psychosis.)
The people we’re talking about here are not like you, Scott Ott. They have history, circumstances and situations that make them not like you. It’s wrong for you to assume they think like you and it’s unfair to them for you to do that.
Scott said that if the more draconian sort of policing tactics were used on a peaceful, law abiding suburban neighborhood the people there would think that the Police State had descended on them. He’s right. They would think that. They would be right to think that.
The neighborhoods where those kinds of things are happening are not peaceful, law abiding suburban enclaves because that is not where the crime is. The good people, and there are good people, in the neighborhoods wracked by crime and violence want the police to protect them vigorously. They want the crime to stop.
Bill was entirely correct because Bill was talking about the danger of letting the mob genie out of the bottle and how that genie will eat the young of those who uncorked it. Bill was in no way saying that people with legitimate grievances have no right to express those grievances in a peaceful manner.
Scott took exception to what Bill was doing because he felt that the opportunity to resolve legitimate grievances is slipping away. Clearly Scott does not consider the fact that the two things are not mutually exclusive but …
Scott’s position is the same as negotiations at gunpoint. You do not negotiate in good faith with someone who is pointing a gun at you, or trying to burn down your house. You do what you have to do to render that person harmless. Force is force, no matter if it’s a thug pointing a gun at you, a terrorist trying to accomplish political aims by flying airplanes into skyscrapers, or a mob outside your house in the middle of the night.
Bill’s position is one that is all too familiar to the inner city black community. Just because they happen to be black does not exempt them from lawlessness and violence by other blacks. Just because you’re a Democrat does not exempt you from lawlessness and violence from the people other Democrats have chosen to use as weapons. That weapon has a mind of its own and once loaded and cocked is as likely to hurt the wielder as the target..
If Democrats do not learn the lesson Bill is trying to teach, things will get much worst and not at all better for the people Scott says he really cares about.
Bill is right, it is not a simple matter of politics. It is out and out mob rule. The rule of law and of the constitution is irrelevant to it. It is pillage, burn, and violence for the sake of pillage, burn, and violence. A mob is a mob.
A mob, once unleashed, can be controlled only by superior physical force. Often it takes lethal physical force to get the job done. It is rewarded when such is not applied immediately and with totality.
The mobs have been rewarded by Democratic controlled cities and states. Hence the violence continues. It will continue until our civilization collapses or we use sufficient physical force to stop it. This makes it a matter of life or death. If you want to live, it must be stopped by whatever means necessary. Up to and including mass military lethal force. If you don’t want to live, do nothing and it will happen.
Don’t talk to me about rights here. The mob has abandoned all claim to having rights. They don’t respect my or your individual rights. They are willing to ignore and even burn our constitution as if it were used toilet paper. They ARE our mortal enemy. No discussion and no diplomacy will make a difference. We have a duty to ourselves and our progeny to terminate their activity as quickly and as efficiently as possible! If it means a mountain of bodies and rivers of blood: so be it.
A few years ago, someone on a panel that was discussing Islamic terrorism (I don’t recall who but it was someone well known) made the only point that matters. When faced with the common objection to fighting back against that terrorism that points out that the vast majority of Muslims are peaceful, she said, ” im not talking about peaceful Muslims. They don’t matter. There’s nothing that needs to be done about them. It’s the violent ones that we must deal with.”
You can’t talk about improving airline safety while your plane is going down right now. You can’t talk about how to recover from the war while the war is raging around you right now. You can’t talk about how to change criminal behavior while the thug is robbing you at gunpoint right now. You can’t talk about ensuring that elections aren’t cheated while the cheaters control the government. These are emergency situations and until normal, peaceful conditions are restored it makes no sense to do anything about making the future better. You must end the emergency first.
I won’t give a damn what moderate Democrats might be willing to discuss until the mob violence and rioting have ended. We can’t reach out to the moderate Democrat while the far-left mob is looting our homes and businesses right now. Our enemies have already started a war. A hot war, not a cold one. They fired the first shot long ago.
It’s time to shoot back.
Yes, I think that Scott’s comments and Bill’s comments are at different time-frames in the process. One earlier, one later, perhaps one afterwards.
You are correct. Scott’s misguided rant is based upon the fallacy that any rational conversation may be had with anyone who either supports or participates with those in the Mob. The beast is loose, and it must be terminated like a rabid animal. I use such language intentionally, because, like Steve’s son, I have always been the small one who must face down the bullies on whatever playground I’ve walked. I learned at a very young age that unless physical violence is met with direct, violent opposition, the violence will always continue.
I agree with you on this point and the reason I agree is that if we talk now, before the emergency is resolved, that sends the message that the lawless violence of the other side worked as intended. That will only insure more lawless violence the next time they want something that our nation as a society is not willing to reach a consensus in their favor.
If you negotiate with terrorists, or mobs, you just get more terrorism and mobs.
The only way the purposes of someone like Scott get accomplished is to make unmistakeably clear to the other side that those tactics not only do not work but harm them as much as it harms us. Which is what Bill seems to be trying to do.
I have watched this 3 times now and here are my thoughts. Before I start on that – to paraphrase Dr. Leonard McCoy, “I’m an engineer, not a social scientist, Jim”.
Scott – you are correct. There needs to be serious discussion with action items coming out of those discussions concerning Justice. Sadly, a time for that has passed. Notice I said “a” time, not “the” time. It could have happened before the mob was released. But now all groups are digging in their heels and getting their dander up. There will be opportune times in the future.
Steve – your story about the bully rings so true. In this situation, no one should be bullied into any action. We need to stand up to the bully and call this for what it is – an attempt to intimidate our society into wrong actions.
Bill – You started out with a story about the lawn sign talisman that did not protect the Biden guy. You helped us see that this is a warning to those that released the mob that you won’t be protected by a peace sign with your fingers, or a yard sign, or anything else. It reminds me of old western TV shows when the mob shows up at the jail to lynch a prisoner and Micah or Matt Dillon have to craft a way to defuse the situation. How do we stop the mob, the looting, the burning, the violence to innocent people? You and I could draw our weapons and hit our intended targets to do great physical harm or death to stop it. But we would not in all but the most extreme circumstances.
We need to: first stand up to the bullies. The time for shrugging our shoulders is over. It requires courage to stand up and protect what’s right. If a lot of us can get in cars and drive to a Trump rally, some of us need to go into harm’s way to defend what is right. Sadly it will escalate into physical violence. As it did for Steve’s son. But stand up we must.
We must call for arrest and incarceration for those that break the law. Yes, it can cause more violent reactions initially, but if metered fairly, it can stop the crazy looting and violence.
We must do all we can to keep people with crazy “sounds good” ideas from gaining absolute power. Right now that means supporting re-counts and doing anything we can to keep the Senate from flipping. How do we help Georgia in their runoff?
And finally, when the time is more right (probably never a “right time”), we need to do what Scott says needs doing. We won’t fix it all, but we can move in the right direction.
And yes, I will see you 3 next time for Right Angle!
Scott, I see what you’re trying to say and agree to a point. My idea would be for the people who are actually seeking justice, as you said, to leave the BLM movement and start a different one, one in which they reach out to those of us who will reach out to them to solve the obvious problems.The BLM movement has been taken over by radicals and funded by those who desire to destroy our country, not solve any problems. Maybe a different movement is called for and would go a long way toward what you, and I, envision. Bill, I also agree with what you were saying. It’s beyond me how our justice system has taken a back burner to the mobs.In a sane world, the mobs would be arrested, especially their leaders and supporters, and given the justice they so deserve. But that’s just my opinion. 😛
I’m not a proponent or practitioner of White Supremacy. I’m an enthusiastic proponent of “Peace through superior firepower”. Because that concept applies regardless of ethnicity or the melanin content of someone’s hide …
With the proviso of course that the “Peace” created thereby is both legal and moral. If they make it illegal and it’s still moral I’m still cool with it.
The real question here then is ‘can the left be reasonable’? I see Scott’s point because you have to have some hope that the people who vote for the other side are not that different to yourself and can be reasoned with over matters of importance to America and its people as a whole.
If he’s wrong then what we’re left with is a country completely divided and no hope of ever having a working relationship between the two parties on anything. That’s a pretty dark place where the only answers are mob rule, or a police state.
Many on the left are not reasonable, but many who vote Democrat are not truly leftist. Statistics show that a surprisingly large portion of black Americans are highly conservative and would probably agree with Bill Whittle on 99% of what he says, but still vote Democrat. Hell, I know black people who would make Bill look like Michael Moore when it came to conservative principles but still somehow drink the kool-aid and vote Democrat. Being a black man myself and having been raised in a family that had voted Democrat, I have a bit of insight into this.
#1. There is an unbelievable amount of social pressure to vote Democrat. You’ve got the news continuing to harp that Republicans hate black people, you’ve got the churches continuing to harp that Republicans hate black people and you’ve got a lot of people in Hollywood harping that Republicans hate black people.
#2. You’ve got a lot of black people who will trash/ostracize other black people for even going as far as asking dangerous questions such as “What has the Democrat party done for me?” If you’re black and certain other black people hear you talking like that, they will call you an uncle tom and denigrate you until you conform. Hell, it got so bad with 50 cent’s brief flirtation with voting for Trump that his ex-girlfriend got on national tv and promised to sleep with him if he denounced Trump. The pressure to conform is real!
#3. The above two reasons are often amplified by what is perceived to be “systematic racism.” As an aside, I do not believe the system is systematically racist (as it just doesn’t make sense for black prosecutors, black officers and black judges to behave no differently than white prosecutors, white officers and white judges while still somehow being racist); I think the problem (and yes, there is a problem) is a lot more complicated, but that the left uses racism as a rallying cry to get black people on board with their nonsense.
With respect to #3 at least, I do believe we can build bridges as Scott has indicated. This isn’t simply wishful thinking on my part. This has been proven by the statistics from November 3, 2020. Donald Trump, despite being deemed RACISM INCARNATE, won over more black voters than republicans have in decades and the only thing he did (besides historic black unemployment rates due to his limited government free market policies) was issue criminal justice reform for federal inmates (federal inmates locked up for decades merely for possessing insignificant amounts of marijuana are not eligible for early release). By all indication, if we had a Republican President who was willing to put the hammer on our overly criminalized federal penal code and usher us out of this era where the average person commits 3 felonies a day, I would argue that that president would destroy the Democrats’ black voting bloc. And I say Republican president because for all their talk about systematic racism (racism THEY perpetuate by the way), no Democrat President will ever do that. Barack Obama had a supermajority from 2008 to 2010 and he didn’t do that. And that was the first BLACK president for pete’s sake. They couldn’t care less about black people.
I believe that your points 1 through 3 are completely valid. I am not convinced about one thing destroying the Democrats’ black voting bloc. A good number of people with some social standing are violating taboos about anyone other than straight white mails being conservative. It is encouraging, but agonizingly slow as far as I am concerned.
This is one of the best Right Angles that I have seen. I appreciate the very real emotional energy that you all exuded here and that is what makes this such a great episode. I just finished watching and need time to think this through. I appreciate all three of you so much! I really want to go on the cruise and meet the two of you that I have not yet had a chance to meet.
I’m pretty sure that Mr. Ott knows this because he’s a smart guy, but if we trace the actions of mobs like this and give it a historical context, the mentality has nothing to do with justice, fairness or to address past and present wrongs. The French Revolution, for example, pretty much puts that idea to rest. The violence took on a life of it’s own and people were indiscriminately killed until the Mob got tired of killing. Then they didn’t know what to do so they got Napoleon to help them put their country back together. There was no “opportunity for discussion to solve problems”, just like there isn’t in our case.
I didn’t take Scott’s comments as endorsing mob behavior, but rather the open sentiment among a lot of black people out there that the system is racist. I don’t agree with Scott’s position to disregard stories like this, but I do feel he is right when he claims this as an opportunity for us to build bridges. When it’s all said and done, we live in a society where any one citizen on average commits three felonies a day without even knowing. There is way too much criminalization in our government these days and the historic rates of incarceration show. And I’m not talking about going after murderers and rapists. I’m talking about throwing doctors in jail for 20 years because for making the decision to prescribe oxy-contin. Throwing executives in jail for 10 years because they heard a conversation on a phone call (read Sidney Powell’s book Licensed to Lie). Throwing a school teacher in prison for five years because she could not recall every detail of a conversation that took place 10 years ago. And did you know that it is a felony for an indicted defendant to possess a firearm or ammunition? That’s right. Not someone convicted of a crime, but someone who is merely ACCUSED of one. The criminal justice system is out of control and if we don’t do something about it, it won’t be long until we’re the ones claiming the system is systematically against us.
I’m a criminal defense lawyer and I don’t believe Scott or Bill’s positions are mutually exclusive.
With regards to what Scott said, there is a lot of corruption and disregard for the Constitution that goes on in our criminal justice system. Often times, it feels like a lot of us conservatives leave the principles of limited government and constitutionalism at the door when it comes to criminal justice. People should be prosecuted for breaking the law, but what I see on the trenches every day isn’t merely prosecutors pursuing justice, but corrupt human beings who initiate prosecutions based on politics and out of desire to further their own careers (look at all the men and women who have been exonerated by the innocence project; look at the rampant Brady violations that go on every day). We also have a lot of cops who willingly lie on the stand and look the other way when it comes to the corruption going on in their own departments (look up the term blue wall of silence). The recent efforts by a FBI investigator to coerce the Erie county Pennsylvania voter fraud whistleblower into recasting his statements are a great example of what goes on in the FBI every day. As is what they did to Michael Flynn. As is what the IRS did to the tea party And as is what they TRIED to do to Donald Trump. There are are lot of good men/women in our DA’s/police departments, but the corruption, win at all cost mentality, bloated government and disregard for the Constitution is no different than it is in any other area of government. And so I feel Scott is right when he claims we do have the opportunity to build some bridges as conservative principles are NOT being exercised in our criminal justice system. And if we DON’T recognize that, it won’t be long until this same institution that does NOT respect conservative principles starts coming after people like you and me. In fact, it’s already happening. Look at what they did to Dinesh D’zouza.
On the other hand, I feel Scott is mistaken to want to push stories like this to the side. Although we do need to build bridges, we shouldn’t do so at the expense of burning down bridges we already have. What happened during this BLM protests was thuggery at its finest and we should NOT hesitate to denounce it for what it is. We further shouldn’t hesitate to learn from it because the reality is that there are scores of people out there who believe the media lie that the stuff going on in this video does not happen or that people like this are merely driven by the allegedly systematic racism in this country. That is not the case and this video is proof of that. And 73,000,000+ people in this country are SICK and TIRED of it.
In a nutshell, I don’t see why we can’t build bridges AND call out videos like this. As a black man, I know that there are a lot of people in my family and church who don’t agree with these thug like antics but are otherwise hesitant to speak up out of fear of being labeled an “uncle tom” or an “oreo”. A LOT of people who would denounce stuff like what is seen in this and are otherwise conservative, but are unable to overcome social pressure and the R word barrier. If we could take a sledge hammer and bust that barrier down, the left would be finished.
Exactly. There’s elements of truth in both arguments. It’s just a matter of whether the time has passed or not that the two sides can sit down and reason together, or if it’s gone too far and the mob will rule.
If your opposition violates your individual rights, totally ignores the constitution, and the rule of law, what rights of theirs is it we have a duty to respect? None!
If the protections of the law and the constitution do not apply to us, it cannot apply to them. They have removed themselves from the realm of rights in that they have chosen “might makes right”. We have the right to reply using our might. They need us to exist. We do not need them to exist. They must be made inoperative by whatever means necessary.
The constitution was and is not a suicide pact. It was and is the bases of a living breathing technological civilization that supports all who work cooperatively to maintain it. Those who work to destroy it have chosen death for all. I say give them their sought for death wholesale. Let them be the mountain of bodies and rivers of blood that always results from such a takeover. Send them to Hell and make them pay for the trip!
Reality is not as pretty as you want to pretend that it is. Sometimes, to keep on living, you have to entertain some ugliness now and then. See WWII as a case in point. It was costly to both sides. Fortunately, it was much more costly to our enemies.
Lionell, I couldn’t agree more when you say:
Guess who is who violating our individual rights, totally ignoring the constitution and the rule of law and with a badge no less? It is our very own government. The very reason the thugs in Bill’s video are able to get away with what they are doing is because some government hacks made the determination that it would not be in their political interest to stop them. The same government hacks who have violated your constitutional rights on a daily basis by selectively having the IRS audit you due to your political beliefs, prosecuted likeminded people for speaking out against their preferred president, falsely prosecute a sitting Senator just to shift the balance of power to the other party in the Senate and attempt to dethrone a sitting duly elected president on knowingly false charges. We have a serious problem with the justice system in this country and I merely named stuff that happened at the highest level with the most scrutiny. It gets much worse the further down the rabbit hole you go.
But what happens when that ugliness gets shifted on you, Lionell? At the moment, I’m representing a man on a murder case that was mugged at knife point, immediately tried to retrieve his property in a scuffle with the cocaine influenced thug who mugged him, was cut several times during the scuffle as the thug tried to kill him and managed to use the thug’s knife against him in the midst of getting the upperhand. All of this happened on video, all of the eyewitnesses said they would have done the same thing as my client and the so-called victim has a long history of violence and the prosecutor admitted to me that I have a strong self-defense case, but that my client should have just dropped the knife. And I’m NOT talking about a situation where the victim runs off and my client pursues him; I’m talking about an ONGOING fight against a guy who is high on drugs and is trying to kill. This case is STILL getting prosecuted.
From the sound of things, I have no doubt that you wouldn’t have just sat there and taken it either, Lionell. I have no doubt that neither Scott, Bill or Steve would have just sat there and taken it, but the the reality is that we live under a government that does not share my values nor yours. And that is not just a reality amongst the various unelected administrative agencies that are more or less a mouthpiece for the progressive agenda, but the criminal justice system as well. The criminal justice system is not off limits for big government unconstitutional statism, much less for being a tool of the progressive agenda as two conservatives in Missouri found out. And if we conservatives do not realize that and start doing something about it soon, they’re going to start going after us in droves and the media isn’t going to say a thing about it. Why would they when they don’t even say anything about what goes on with Twitter, Facebook, Youtube and Google?
I agree that our government is a major violator of both our individual rights and the fine details of the Constitution. So far, the only option we seem to have is vote the bastards out of office. The bastards get to keep their graft and favoritism connections without a moments accountability. Unfortunately the next group of bastards usually turn out to be as bad or worse than the one’s we kicked out of office.
The solution? Better people in government. To get that, you have to have better ideas in the people. We jointly have done a piss poor job of doing that. Incidentally, our government makes sure we don’t get better ideas into the people with their so called public education. Hence, we have a parasitical half who votes for the government to take what they want from the productive half. The government, being willingly corrupt, obliges with very few exceptions.
Ultimately the situation can be decided by Ballots or Bullets. If not Ballots, it will be Bullets. Our Ballot system has been totally corrupted and cannot be trusted. We are left with total submission to all enslaved to all in an endless mother may I world or violent revolution. I will not go quietly into that cold dark night.
Violent revolutions hardly ever turn out well for either party involved. The result is mostly collapsed civilizations and the deaths of a large fraction of the human population. THAT, I say, is the goal of those who would enslave us. Even and especially if it means their own extinction. They do not love life and are unwilling to take on the responsibility of being human.
There is one remotely possible alternative to this dark picture. We producers can Go Galt and end the charade rather quickly. We each have to become a John Galt and remove our minds from in service to the parasites. It is a tough way to go. If we can hang on long enough, it would work.
Timely. A couple days ago this article came out. Eva Longoria was chastised for her comments about Latina women. Apparently the BLM marxist apparatus did not approve. How dare she place Latinas in the same category as they? https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2020/11/10/eva-longoria-canceled-n2579804
You are right on in your opinion Bill. I understand where Scott Ott is coming from, but there can be no social justice reconciliation while Black Lives Matter terrorists are on the streets; until the SCOTUS rules on outcome of the 2020 election either way; and the MSM and big tech are severely punished by civil anti- trust litigation for censorship and blatant violations of the 1st and 14th Amendments.
You can’t talk to a mob. They don’t listen. They have an agenda of one mind and nothing will stop them. A sign won’t stop them.
The Left is eating its own. Let them. Just go all MSM on them….by not talking or showing anything about it. Without the audience, why riot? Worked for the Left when they ignored the riots when they began. Many MSM aficionados didn’t know about the riots. And still don’t. Conservatives do. We are outraged. And that fuels their fire.
I love how surprised these people are when the crocodile doesn’t even wait to eat them last
the cops go where the crime is……I think.
Scream all of the white people at the old white guy… WTW???
Scott, BLM is a self admitted Marxist organization. They don’t give a rat’s ass about bad policing beyond it’s usefulness to the Revolution. If they did, they would have partnered w/ Trump a coupe years ago when he was pushing real prison reform. But no. Orange Man Bad.
I work in entertainment and, now, entertainment/education. I am so deep in the closet and have been for years
[slowly shaking my head]
Scott Ott, you are right on principle, but way off the mark in applying that principle as it relates to this situation in the video and the point Bill is making.
I totally agree. Scott could do a segment on how he proposes to get a calm dialog out of BLM/ANTIFA.