Like many others, I have to admit that the Russian invasion of the Ukraine took me by surprise. Not moving troops into the carefully prepared “separatist” areas of Luhansk and Donetsk. Nibbling off bits of neighbouring states is very much Putin’s MO and was highly likely, especially after the extraordinary display of weakness and confusion in Afghanistan. But a full-on invasion of an entire country, with columns of tanks, airstrikes, big arrows on maps? That I did not expect.
Generally speaking, I’ve been more sympathetic towards the Russian position than many people. If you look through political maps of Europe down through the centuries, you won’t see the word ‘Ukraine’ very much. In the late 16th and 17th centuries most of the area now covered by the Ukraine was part of the Commonwealth of Poland-Lithuania. From the 18th century onwards, it was part of the ever-expanding Russian Empire. For a very brief period after the revolution in 1917 there was an independent Ukraine, which sadly was swiftly re-absorbed by the Soviet Union.
That doesn’t mean there are no such thing as Ukrainians and the Ukraine, nations can exist without being nation-states, but the Ukraine has existed within a wider Russian state for three centuries. Coming from a complicated country made up of different nations united at different times myself, I can sympathise with Putin’s view on the Ukraine.
It has also been pointed out that the Ukraine, far from being the spotless paragon of democracy with its shining face turned to a progressive future we’re being sold by the MSM, is, in fact, in the same league as kleptocratic Russia when it comes to corruption. On BW.com I need not go into the dodgy connections between elements in the Ukraine and a certain crime family in the USA.
It is also true that there are people in politics there that can be called extreme nationalists of a sort found in Germany in the 30s and 40s. However, as always, context is king. During the 1920s/30s the people of the Ukraine suffered from a terrible, man-made, famine which killed millions of people. They also suffered, as did all in the Soviet Union, the Stalin Terror and general repression. The German led armies that swept east across the Soviet Union in 1941 did not seem like invaders to most Ukrainians, they were liberators. When people glibly describe some Ukrainian political groups as Nazi is one form or another, they forget that the Ukrainian experience of the Second World War, and the years before and after it, was not at all the same as it was for the USA, UK and western Europe.
I have noticed some people on the wilder shores of the English speaking Right online triumphantly claiming the whole invasion is a hoax, or that it is largely a hoax, etc. etc. etc. I saw one guy who claimed this is proved by that the fact that in an interview with former Ukrainian president, Petro Poroshenko, one of the soldiers lined up in the background fiddles with his weapon and the mag falls out! So what? There are muppets and klutzes everywhere. The guys lined up behind Poloshenko were most likely roped in at the last minute by a reporter who wanted a suitable backdrop.
All TV is fake. I’ve been around enough news reporting and documentary making to know that seeing the unvarnished truth on TV is very rare, (what you’re being told might well be true, but the TV folk will have almost certainly altered the visual reality to help “sell” the story). I don’t doubt that the Ukrainians are bending the truth to make the Russians look as bad as possible and maximising the sympathy they get from the world at large. They’d be mad if they weren’t. Truth is always the first casualty of war. I have seen one or two clips myself that I’m not sure are genuine, that said, the idea that the whole thing is made up is bizarre. Putin himself seems to be sure he’s invaded the Ukraine, even if he doesn’t recognise it as an invasion.
There are also people pointing out that there is a long list of deeply disreputable politicians who are supporting Ukraine. It is uncomfortable being on the same side of an issue as the likes of Biden and his crew, that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s the wrong position to take. Their sturdy reaction to the invasion has strengthened the EU hugely, and I cannot over emphasise how much I truly loathe the EU. But Poland, Hungary, and the rest cannot help but draw closer to Brussels when Moscow is sending tanks across borders in their backyard. As Churchill said, “If Hitler invaded hell, I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons.”.
Similarly, I’ve seen many comments pointing out, quite correctly, that the situation in which Putin felt emboldened enough to launch the invasion was the result of actions, inactions, weakness and naivety from many in the west. Any complex international situation will be the product of many factors. It is equally true that the situation in 1939 was as much to do with Chamberlain and Lebrun and the other leaders of the free world and their weakness in dealing with Hitler as it was to do with Hitler himself. That does not alter the fact that it was Hitler who ordered his troops to invade Poland. Putin is not Hitler, but he is certainly covering some of his greatest hits.
So, the Russian attitude to the Ukraine does have some historical justification and the Ukraine is very young nation-state. The Ukrainians are not angels and are, no doubt, bending the truth to serve their cause. It is also true that many folk I would usually be very much on the other side of almost any argument from are supporting Ukraine. The situation is also not entirely the creation of Putin. None of this alters the fact that Putin’s Russia has sent massive military forces over the border and invaded an actual, legally recognised, nation-state. Add to that the sheer, ballsy defiance with which the Ukrainians are facing this invasion (putting on a slightly contrived brave face to a degree no doubt, we here in Britain certainly did in 1940) but the fact that the Ukrainians want to be seen as defiant speaks volumes. For me at least, all this means there is only one viable position, supporting Ukraine.
At the point tanks go over the border I think all the deep analysis, thoughtful pondering, and “ah yes, butting” take a back seat to the immediacy of the situation. By taking the action he has, Putin has more or less forced us to take sides, or at least, take a position. It should be an informed position, but unfortunately by his actions Putin has made the situation horribly binary, or at most ternary.
Other than supporting Ukraine or Russia, the position of splendid isolation is no doubt tempting and more appealing than being drawn into a spat between silly Europeans with very boring flags. However, even if you take the “a plague on both their houses” line that it doesn’t matter what colour flag flies over Kiev, it would be naïve to assume that what happens in Ukraine will have no impact across the world. This situation, and the free world’s response to it, it being watched closely. What flag flies over Kiev will no doubt have a great impact on what flag flies over Taipei.
5 replies on “Some thoughts on the Ukraine”
One explanation for the wars bad logistics may be that it was a massive bluff but some hot headed general charged over the border and the rest followed. Putin’s people were then committed to fight even though their planning and logistics was incomplete because it was just a bluff. Now they are stuck and can’t back down or win.
Interesting theory. I don’t think it’s likely but not impossible.
For me it looks more like having an optimistic plan A, that expected U to fold after the first day of fast strikes everywhere. Inside the country — not in the contested territory where troops are a plenty and the fight will take long unless Kiev surrenders.
As that didn;t happen they fell back to plan B, that is the sad more traditional long war. Swallowing the handicap on not doing it the NATO way of 3 week air strikes and only moving troops after everything is in ruins.
On that route I don’t see any “setback” compared to a realistic timeline. Just a few local blunders — but in real war the lack of those would be more surprising.
U supposedly have 200k army ready to fight, motivated and everything. Who tries to sell the idea it would be just defeated in days by half as many R troops within a week?
The really interesting part is the one nothing is reported about: how much effective control over the west part and traffic from the borders. That is essential to stop any arms shipment and other support for the U army. If that is in hand, the outcome is inevitable, The run time being the only question.
Z probably expected actual nato help. At the least something like a no-fly zone and live connection from the west borders. After that is clear not happening, he’s milking the situation for PR purposes sacrificing his people (and then using the numbers for more PR too.) Fall of Kiev might be a natural breaking point.
The EU scumbags painted P into the corner — with all the late “sanctions” he can’t really stop before the U surrenders, so most we can do is wait and count the losses. 🙁
There are some indications that the logistics problems are intentional on the part of the lower military commands. There are signs that Russian military are passively resisting orders. Defying Putin publicly will get you shot. Forgetting to ship enough fuel keeps you stalled, clear of the front line and out of the war crimes court but you are still able to fight defensively. Now that many Russian officers know that Ukrainians will not welcome them with open-arms and that the Ukrainian leadership are not somehow resurrected NAZI’s, many are sitting on the road to Kyiv waiting for changes in Moscow.
Likewise if you’re air force on reconnaissance or a bombing mission returning with your bomb load intact because you “can’t tell friend from foe” will not get you court marshaled, while granting you innocence.
I am not sure what the navy equivalent is? Hunting ghost subs perhaps.
Putin and his Silovik may be fanatical but most Russians are not. Commanders may be finding. or making. reasons to do as little as possible. Staying away from the front lines.
It reminds me of something called Battlefield Democracy. In the age of sword and shield or spear and buckler it was not uncommon for peasant soldiers to get locked into a mock battle. Banging each others shield and shouting a lot but never trying to swing a wounding or lethal blow. This could be done for hours if you were fit. The peasants waited for some idiot noble or knight on the flank to make a mistake. In some cases the Nobles were the only significant casualties in huge battles.
Well put. I have noticed a couple of things. Putin’s inner circle is called the Silovik. Three are KGB including Putin. The 4th is a general, Sergei Shoigu. As a Siberian with a Ukrainian mother you could see why he would be bullish on Ukraine. It also probable that he is the junior member politically. He is not a slav. His home town is on the border with Mongolia. As the only general they will be relying on him for the strategy. The catch is he’s not that kind of general. His main commands were emergencies and rescue. A good man to have in a blizzard, earth quake, flood or wild fire but not the kind of general that commands an invasion. It partly explains the logistics problems.
Just a few days before the offensive started I was also saying around that P just builds up a big bluff. And will use all the announcements about the invasion — that never happens — to some advantage.
The invasion is not fake unfortunately, and already close to 1M very real refugees materialized in the west border, the 5 countries there were in big trouble at half that number. and it has plenty room to move up.
At the same time most visible media pushes close to 100% fake stuff. And it works fine on all the west, including the half population that was supposedly red-pilled on all the other issues from last 2 years. And eats it all up with big spoon. Without looking the Ukraine is the new BLM/ And the war is good replacement for the COVID, with good hope that by the time it is concluded everyone may forget who held what position on that. And great distraction from homegrown atrocities. Sold by the same pundits the same way. Except now almost everyone is on the same board. Including this site’s masters. The exceptions are few and far between: Viva&Barnes, Salty. And Tucker Carlson. My most disappointment is on Dave Rubin. Though he may still come around in coming weeks. The others seem hopelessly down the rabbit hole.
Matt Christiansen was somewhere halfway. But at least he has a consistent point: he was against all the invasions everywhere, what is a reasonable position. And he wasn’t shy to put them together, unlike most of the west seems suddenly gaining amnesia. And pretending invasions were not part of everyday life in the last decades. I remember very well when USA just started to throw bombs on Serbia — after recognising Kosovo as its own territory. And it went on for 3 months on end. Then now everyone pretending as if such things were invented by Putin yesterday. I heard even interesting numbers on the last way in Europe. Somehow skipping over the one in Yugoslavia that took up good part of the 90’s.
Guess that was for the virtuous side and the “innocent civil” losses uninteresting. And Kosovo people have some special attribute compared to those living in Crimea or Donbass,
Putin forced to take sides? Absolutely not. The natural position would be “let them box it out”. And for people who can’t find either country on the map and know nothing about them (watching Hollywood movies does not count) would be IMNSHO reasonable to stay the fuck out. Start judging only after you know the facts. Rather than just follow the twitter guidance, created by the oligarchs who are interested in both pushing one side and mass conflict in general. And for them life of others is cheap.
The collateral damage OUTSIDE the war zone is already reaching the level of that inside. And it will keep growing even it the clashing parties reach a conclusion in few weeks. (I.s Sberbank got dissolved yesterday, plane leasing companies get in big trouble, closing the airspace will have major effects… and the energy didn’t even got involved yet. Stoltz and the morons around him have no problem potentially freezing half EU or pay up triple — also wreaking the production that built on assuming the flow. )
Of course there will be impact on the world. That is the whole point of the exercise on those pouring gasoline on this conflict. And they find support in mindless people so easily. 🙁