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St. George Floyd

I am not condoning what was done to George Floyd. Far from it. I condemn it. Due process was not followed. The Police officer that kneeled on Mr. Floyd too took this man’s right to due process away, just as he took away his life.

Due process needs to be followed now. More than ever. As our cities burn, our people riot. As better heads protest justly or not, exercising their 1A rights.

As due process is followed there is much more to learn. There is the rest of the story. The story of an EXCON who move to Minnesota from Texas to “turn his life around”.

Follow the link to learn more about Mr. Floyd.

To the rioters, was he worth burning YOUR neighborhoods down?

In the days to follow we are sure to learn a lot about Mr. Floyd and the Cop who killed him. Or did he? Was it this officer’s action or Mr. Floyd’s own week heart.

I am not condoning what was done to George Floyd. 

Due process my friends. Wait and see…

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The media has not suspended judgement. They support a lynching and calling it justice.

I think your link to Mr Floyd is bad (did not work for me).

But, totally agree from what we see and hear George Floyd’s death sure looks like murder and should not have happened but let the process play out. The lawyers will sort out the details. Very sad to see. What has transpired (at least in Mpls) since is partially a function of a lot of people who are truly hurting. My hart goes out to those people. These are the people below who the rest hide behind like cowards.

There are also a lot of people who are anarchists and just want to break and burn things who do not care about anyone or anything than feeding their lust for destruction, also a lot of people who want to just go along, act like someone has personally offended them, scream at everybody, get attention, add a bunch of pictures to facebook and “party in the wasteland” maybe throw a rock or two sadly my niece and her friends are among those, also showing up are your garden variety young unemployed male who just wants to act tough and (as a Eunuch) feel invincible in a big group to go against the man. There are probably others but the destruction has been 95+% cause by these groups. The people who live in these neighborhoods will not soon forget this selfish display of petulant chidults with rocks, axes, hammers, gasoline and matches. On the positive side there are a lot fewer people in Minneapolis and St Paul today asking the question “Why would anyone need an AR-15 with a 30 round magazine?”

Here is a pass at the list of disgusting destruction. When you think you are done, keep scrolling, the list goes down to the bottom of the web page.

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-news/a-list-of-the-buildings-damaged-looted-in-minneapolis-and-st-paul?fbclid=IwAR2XW0mtGW4P8tWCGpdhKVTrCy8RStOH_IgqaIuAlIPSG9fvM5L6Ly0J7bU

The link was removed and replaced with a “place holder”. I do not know how that happened.

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You started out good, but you are jumping to your conclusion without the evidence to back it up. Due process is also due those police officers, and that includes Derek Chauvin. The only “evidence” you are using is what you have been shown on that viral video which appears to show Derek Chauvin choking Floyd with his knee until he died. But is that what happened? Explicitly not visible on that video is that as Chauvin was kneeling on the pavement, tow other officers were kneeling next to him shoulder to shoulder one of them monitoring his pulse. The ambulance had been summoned minutes earlier and they were waiting for it to arrive.

The preliminary autopsy has been released and it show that there was no evidence of any traumatic injury to Floyd’s body and that there were “no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation.” He wasn’t choked either, it would have been nearly impossible from the position of the officer’s knee on his shoulder and back of his neck. Further, bodycam audio verifies that Floyd was complaining immediately at the start of his arrest that he could not breathe, and repeated it as he was walked to the squad car.

You have jumped to the conclusion that the current narrative of Chauvin deliberately killing Floyd, in full view of spectators and in broad daylight for no reason other than him being black is true. That doesn’t even make sense. I have know a few dumb cops in my day, but none that would be this dumb.

There is much more to learn, but it won’t be coming from the media reports; it will come from the copious evidence that has been collected. In the end we may learn that these officers were not trying to kill George Floyd, but instead keep him alive.

I don’t think I am making your point, unless I totally missed it. You are accepting the judgement that those cops conspired – for reasons I cannot fathom including no matter how racist they were – to kill this man. You are making a judgement with very little to justify it. George Floyd had load of fentanyl in his system. He had been using a pharmacy list of other drugs in the past. He also had a heart condition and high blood pressure. Last I checked, fentanyl is not prescribed for either of those. It was his actions, and his attempted crime, that led to his death, no matter how those policeman handled or mishandled him. George Floyd was responsible for his own death. Yet your judgement by you is set. I am saddened beyond expression.

I think Eugene has the same idea that I do, that any conviction of the officer (now officers) will be tainted by “if he wasn’t convicted there would be more riots” and if he is let off seen by some as “he was just protected by the system”. I don’t know if they could even move his case to Kansas, because, while anyone there would not have any personal connection to him, could also suspect a verdict to acquit would still result in a nationwide riot.
About the only way I see justice coming about is if multiple autopsies from opposing doctors say the same thing (I thought I saw that the one hired by his family said that he was asphyxiated while the official ME said no) and the conclusions have to be trusted.
Even if we did get the man’s life story and it painted a picture much darker than we have had so far, I don’t know that it would matter. Some people have made up their minds, some just won’t hear the story, most will never be told and the few left will say “we do not have the death penalty for passing a bad bill”.
If some of his fellow officers can come forward and point out how he has been a bad apple, what they’ve tried to do to have him removed, how the union and politicians (the same calling hero truck drivers white supremists for delivering supplies to black owned stores and get beaten for their efforts) then maybe some will begin to wake up and see the plantation owners for what they are. The words of the Atlanta Mayor I thought were the best. If you want to make a difference, sign up to vote, and then show up.

You have miss-read me my friend. I was pointing out that George’s criminal record had come to light which was not reported by the mainstream media. I provided a link to his criminal history that this web site removed twice. And if that record existed there could be a lot more on both sides to follow. This is why due process is so important of a right. And in a murder case EVERYTHING comes out, LIke the fact that George and the Officer both worked as bouncers at the same night club and knew each other. There is also the fact that George was pulled from his car by the cops under suspicion of operating under the influence and had resisted arrest by THROWING HIMSELF to the ground after attempting to pass a fake $20 . All coming to light because of due process and not the narrative the media is pushing. But I do agree that George was responsible for his own death. Every life choice George made lead him to that moment.George IMHO deserved to die the night he put a gun to a pregnant woman’s belly while his friends robbed her home.But I don’t make the laws. P.S. George stared in at least 2 porn movies. I don’t know why I added that (but it is true).Peace.

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Ok, I did misread you. It is true that Floyd had a criminal record – I had not yet found what the armed robbery/home invasion details were. Thank you for that. The porn movie career I assume took place in Houston where he lived most of his life. I had heard those rumors, but no confirmation. George and the officer did work the same place, but I don’t know that they ever met. Chauvin moonlighted for 17 years as an outside bounce on weekends. Floyd worked inside during weekdays for 4 years nights.
I have gone over the surveillance videos from at least 6 different sources, cameras, etc. George Floyd died at precisely 8:20 pm that night, 4 minutes after Chauvin and Thao arrived on the scene after being summoned to a suspect resisting arrest. He knew nothing of the situation that had occurred prior and maybe not even of the suspected drug incapacitation. There wasn’t enough time for Chauvin to have asphyxiated Floyd. Floyd was 6’7″, 250 pounds, and very muscular. It would have taken a horse on his neck to throttle him and it would have left a lot of damage. Floyd’s inability to breathe was caused by the heart attack he was actively having already at the time his arrest began. He complained immediately when he was cuffed that he couldn’t breathe. This would have been exacerbated by the large dose of fentanyl he ingested shortly before. One of the side effects of this drug is difficulty breathing and a feeling of pressure on the chest. I will admit the police may have mishandled the restraint, but they had no knowledge of what drug he took or how much. And they definitely did not know of his medical state I firmly believe from the evidence that those officers were trying to save Floyd’s life, not end it. They may have bungled things in handling it, but there was never any intent to kill him. .
Sorry, this is really off the topic.But I am just so frustrated that no one is looking at what actually happened. I would be glad to send you a detailed minute by minute timeline of what took place. Even the claim that Chauvin had his knee on his neck for 6 minutes before he died is false. It was shorter than that, but it didn’t matter. Thank you for your clarification.

No, thank you for yours. Much more to learn here. Nice to know my sense of smell is still working. That is what I meant by due process. Let the process work and all will be revealed in time. The Officers have the right to due process. The porn movie I can confirm. I watched a small bit of it. Not enough eye bleach in this world…
And also off topic..the knee on the neck is a control position (pin) that police officer are taught. I know, I have taught a few of them a modified version of what was on that film. Every Cop in the media that says Cops are told to stay away from the neck is a damn liar. The bare arm choke Hadaka jime or naked lock applied from the rear with the forearm across the throat is taught at most police academies. It is part of a group of techniques know as shime waza. I could write an entire volume on thiis subject.

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You should write a synopses at least. You sound like an expert on this. (I will avoid that porn film. Thanks for the tip.) One question on that knee hold, what is the proper way to apply it and was the officer doing it that way? It appeared to me he was carefully controlling the pressure applied and adjusting it. I saw Floyd move and squirm several times before he finally had the cardiac arrest, which was sudden. My father had almost an exact same case when he died. It was like a light switch turned off. He had a very enlarged heart and high BP. It basically just blew a hole through a chamber of the heart.
I do think that if the officers are not tried there would be more trouble. But the evidence will have to vindicate them and it will. The Baden autopsy is a farce. Baden is a quack and he will produce whatever you pay for. I suspect he never actually touched the body or anything else in his “autopsy”. He declared Floyd free of drugs before the toxicology report had been completed. Thanks again.

To start off, I have studied the video of the Officers knee on Mr.Floyd’s neck and have determined that not enough force was applied to restrict Carotid blood flow long enough to cause unconsciousness (from the clip I reviewed). Notice the head and shoulder movement of Mr. Floyed, impossible had blood been cut off to the brain for as little as 20 seconds. Most of the Officer’s weight HAD to be on his other leg. Mr.Floyd’s airway was never restricted as evidenced by Mr.Floyd repeatedly yelling that he couldn’t breath. If you can talk/yell you ARE BREATHING! The autopsy showed an intact wind pipe with no evidence of trauma to either the wind pipe or Carotid. The Officer should have kept one hand on Mr Floyd to restrict his movement but that is the only error I can find in his technique. Other than placing his hand in his pocket. Medical tests have established that the amount of pressure needed to occlude the arteries is six times less than the pressure needed to collapse the airway. It is in fact much safer than blocking the airflow.
While I am no doctor and was not present during the encounter, from what I can see, Mf. Floyd did not die due to and improperly applied choke hold.If I had to guess, cause of death would likely be a myocardial infraction due to the stress brought on by the arrest, resistance of force, and as evivenced in the toxicity report,exasperated by Fentanyl.
The Cop did not kill Mr. Floyd.
But as I said, let’s let due process take it’s course…

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I concur with you fully. I did a minute by minute timeline and examined the video evidence that documented them from the time of the commission of the crime to his death. The full autopsy is out and it shows no indication of strangulation (which would be impossible from that angle) or asphyxiation. Why do you think Chauvin kept his left hand in his pocket? When I first viewed the picture that everyone cringes at, I could see that Chauvin was leaning to his right and had his other leg planted on the pavement. He shifted the build of his weight to that side. I also saw him brace himself several times against the squad car to reposition himself. That avoided accidentally putting too much pressure on it. There was an almost 2 minute struggle inside the back seat of the squad before Chauvin and Lake pulled him by the feet from the passenger side door and placed him on the ground. He was thrashing vigorously. The autopsy showed he had majorly almost plugged arteries. And a pretty good level of fentanyl.
The thing that first set me off on this path was when I saw the short video of taken by a person across the street from the squad car. It was the one showing the officers clustered around the body. The audio of Floyd literally screaming was picked up by the camera mike from across the street, yet I could not make out anything the cops were saying. How could a man who was being choked be able to scream that load and moan and groan. He was literally yelling. I think that was because his heart was spasmming and he was no longer getting oxygen to his heart. His almost final words were “I’m gonna die” and he promptly did. The media timeline is wrong too: Chauvin had his restraint applied for just over 4 minutes when Floyd lost consciousness. Floyd was pulled from the squad at 8:20 and Floyd went limp at 8:24:24. There wasn’t even time enough to choke him to death and he would have been hard to choke. He had a neck like a bull.
Could I send you my timeline and review it? I have great fear that due process will not take its course. Although the evidence is almost irrefutable. We still don’t have the bodycam voice. That should clear up any remaining questions.
I concur with you fully. I did a minute by minute timeline and examined the video evidence that documented them from the time of the commission of the crime to his death. The full autopsy is out and it shows no indication of strangulation (which would be impossible from that angle) or asphyxiation. Why do you think Chauvin kept his left hand in his pocket? When I first viewed the picture that everyone cringes at, I could see that Chauvin was leaning to his right and had his other leg planted on the pavement. He shifted the build of his weight to that side. I also saw him brace himself several times against the squad car to reposition himself. That avoided accidentally putting too much pressure on it. There was an almost 2 minute struggle inside the back seat of the squad before Chauvin and Lake pulled him by the feet from the passenger side door and placed him on the ground. He was thrashing vigorously. The autopsy showed he had majorly almost plugged arteries. And a pretty good level of fentanyl.
The thing that first set me off on this path was when I saw the short video of taken by a person across the street from the squad car. It was the one showing the officers clustered around the body. The audio of Floyd literally screaming was picked up by the camera mike from across the street, yet I could not make out anything the cops were saying. How could a man who was being choked be able to scream that load and moan and groan. He was literally yelling. I think that was because his heart was spasmming and he was no longer getting oxygen to his heart. His almost final words were “I’m gonna die” and he promptly did. The media timeline is wrong too: Chauvin had his restraint applied for just over 4 minutes when Floyd lost consciousness. Floyd was pulled from the squad at 8:20 and Floyd went limp at 8:24:24. There wasn’t even time enough to choke him to death and he would have been hard to choke. He had a neck like a bull.
Could I send you my timeline and review it? I have great fear that due process will not take its course. The state AG and the mayor want to lynch these guys, literally Although the evidence is almost irrefutable. We still don’t have the bodycam voice. That should clear up any remaining questions.
 

Floyd was 6’4″ and 234 lbs with a very muscular build. His neck looked awfully strong to me.

In Judo size matters little.You train your hands to get an accurate hold the minute you begin a technique, make your choke work in a very brief time, and once you begin the pressure refrain from continually releasing to adjust your position. Your techniques will have much greater effect if you are firmly resolved not to let your opponent get away but to continue until the end without slackening. Constancy of pressure, rather than extreme force, is what is called for. Excessive reliance on strength would indicate a defect in the technique since very little pressure is needed to compress an artery and render a person unconscious.
The most important safety rule when applying a choking technique is to release pressure immediately when the opponent submits. When applying a choke one should be sensitive enough, and have sufficient control over the opponent, to recognize when he or she loses consciousness so that you can immediately release pressure. Loss of consciousness can be detected easily by the sudden lack of resistance and generally limp feeling of the opponent’s b as well as the color of the face and the eyes closing. If if the choke is held too long convulsions may begin (will begin if held to the point of causing death), but the effects of the choke should generally be recognized earlier with proper training and supervision.
Mr. Floyd did not convulse. He was not “blood choked”.
Resuscitation Techniques (Kappo)
Immediately release the victim and lay him or her flat so that blood may flow naturally back to the brain. This is why the other cop may have asked if they should turn Mr.Floyd over, Placing the victim on his or her side, with the head resting on the arm, will prevent vomit aspiration and facilitate breathing if necessary. Monitor the victim closely to make sure the airway is open and the victim is breathing. The opponent will generally regain consciousness spontaneously and be unharmed. If the person does not regain consciousness in 20 to 30 seconds and remains unresponsive to your efforts to revive him or her, call 911. They did call for medical assistance.
I once choked out a man who was 6’6″ 265lbs. Held on and went for a 30 second ride. He was out for 10 of those seconds. I has behind him at the time kneeling when I applied the choke. I was about 5’10” and 135-140 lbs.at the time.
Ah, the good old days!

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