Beyond the politics of COVID-19 pandemic regulations, a small number of anti-anti-vaxxers have emerged who harbor almost incomprehensible rage against those who don’t get the jab. What drives a person to explode in a verbal tirade against — or to physically assault — a stranger because he won’t wear a mask or get vaccinated? This episode of Right Angle covers something much deeper in the human spirit.
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52 replies on “The Psychology of Anti-Anti-Vaxxers: Why the Rage Against Those Who Don’t Get the Jab?”
48% of Democrats want the unvaccinated put in internment camps until they get vaccinated.
MY Theory WHY? the “FASCISTICSocialist”/AMERICAN MARIUXM HATES: First, it was NEVER about the the Wuhan China Virus. Rahm Emanuel sad it best, “NEVER let a Crisis go to waste. It was and continues to this date to be about Power, Control and Greed.
Second, Joseph Gobbles the NAZI Propaganda Minister infamous said, Tell a LIE, tell it was passion, tell it repeatedly and eventually they will believe it.
Third, far FAR too many people will CHOOSE the easy Path of least Resistance. Therefore, follow the crowd/MOB.
Fourth, there is Security and Safety within the crowd/Mob and they do your THINKING.
Fifth, If am doing the “right thing then EVERYONE must do the same fo9r my Protection and Safety.
Sixth And finally, OPPosition can not and MUST not be tolerated regardless of the Consequences to those who defy the crowd/Mob.
The anti-Anti vaxx crowd/MOB are true believers of THE myopic, delusional, corrupt, fraudulent, very destructive and tyrannical IDEOLOGY and their chief weapon of MASS DESTRUCTION, the “fundamental transformation of America.”
MARXISM
It is the Susie Derkins of the world Vs the Calvins.
I think this is the close to the same feeling:
I live on a Four-Way-Stop-Sign street corner. It makes me mad when people don’t make a complete stop. Why? I don’t have kids or pets to be in danger. I always look and wait when I cross. Why should I care? I don’t know. For the record, I always make a full and complete stop at stop signs. I’m proud of this, for some reason, so I think everybody should. But why. Why do I care? Scott, I think, hit on it. I think it is because I make the effort and don’t have accidents. They DON’T make the effort, and also don’t have accidents. But I’m frightened that if I ever blow through a stop sign and DO have an accident, I will feel stupid for not making the effort to stop. Essentially, I’m mad because I’m envious of the people who aren’t afraid, and taking it out on them and at the same time, enabling myself to feel superior, in a kind of a self-justification move. (Whew, I’m not really sure I understood it all till I wrote it out. LOL)
Just spent 9 days sick with…something. Felt like a very bad cold (no fever). Went thru 5 boxes of Kleenex, and coughed up massive amounts of crud, but not a deep cough…very upper respiratory.. Couldn’t find a COVID home test while I was sick. NyQuil helped thru the night. Made home made chicken soup, upped Vitamin D and Zinc, and hydrated like crazy. Didn’t bother to call my doc. I know people who had all the same symptoms, and they were totally freaked! As if they thought they would die…seriously.
Bill, your experience is so different and serious from what I went thru…but the bottom line is that we know our own bodies and we instinctively know when we are in trouble, and take the right course, as you did.
But can I just say this? The recent Biden Administration/Fauci/CDC/NIH revelations has been possibly the best example of why we should audit every NIH grant that involve the Chinese.They are not our friends.
Guys, I think you have missed the main point. People who hate the shot-resisters (I refuse to call it a vaccine) cannot psychologically stand the sight of anyone who might have reasoned arguments contrary to their own views. It viscerally frightens them, as they are unable to counter with reasoned arguments of their own. Their response is pure emotion, that is, rage. Independent-mined INDIVIDUALS are just plain scary to those with a deep-seated desire to OBEY. Thus the boy in the no-clothes-emperor story must be silenced, preferably with maximum physical force.
I think Scott’s right. These people are scared to death of this virus & think the unvaccinated are a threat to them. They don’t understand and don’t want to hear about the science.
I keep thinking that they are so angry because they feel like they have been “fooled” if they took the (does nothing) vax, then the booster, then another booster, then another booster, and they still got sick, or a fully vaxxed family member or friend did. And here I stand without any of it, and thanks to God’s grace, my husband and I are NOT sick… although I believe we caught the Omicron variant about a month ago, so we are grateful for that. I think that fear is probably a lot of it too, but I am convinced that they feel like they were fooled, and it angers them.
Gents, with all due respect you’re missing the point. You came so close then drifted off target.
The “vaccines” don’t work.
They don’t do crap. They’re as useless as masks.
If I wore my mask consistently and still contracted the illness I’d be furious.
Once I take the “jab” and then still contract the virus? Why did I do that?
I was lied to. This isn’t rocket science. We, all hundred million of “us” were lied to.
Each day we are pushed to face the reality that Pfizer and Moderna are making billions of dollars and all I got was a sore arm? And then the virus the next day?
And you fellas are puzzled why I’m pissed?
Welcome back, Bill. Sorry my Ivermectin offer never found you & Natasha.
But, David, you’re angry at being deceived, manipulated and betrayed. Understandable, certainly. I feel that way and I’m not vaxxed. But are you enraged at me because I’m not vaxxed, for whatever my reasons are? I think people who are enraged by people like me are in the Covidian cult of Fauci true-believers. They are the people who must scapegoat outsiders who don’t follow the religion of Covid, don’t wear the mask which is a Covidian totem, and refuse to get vaxxed. Non mask wearers brand themselves as outsiders, apostates who must be excoriated, shunned and reviled, isolated, perhaps killed. Covidians need to believe and follow the supreme leader Fauci, largely because they have nothing else to believe. They must believe the masks and the vax works, and no amount of proof will convince them otherwise. They are religious hysterics.
They left out the part the media has played in all of this to condition the psyche of the average human. As Steve said, the climate change dynamic went a long way in creating that th0ought process. It is the idea that the good of the whole is more important than the desires of the individual. It is the same thing that drove the public to support the war effort that helped us win 2 world wars. i.e,we’re all in this together, and all have to sacrifice equally. I repeat- we all have to sacrifice together, and the same. Those not participating are seen as not pulling their equal weight. I cannot remember the number of times I have seen a person tell somebody else they could be responsible for their grandmother’s death. When I was told it once, I simply stated- I have no intention of visiting your grandmother. Perhaps you should not as well.
There’s a huge difference between “unvaxxed” and “Anti-vax”. I had to get the Smallpox vaccination in the ’50s in order to attend public school. Then a bit later came the Polio (Salk) Vaccine which was pretty much mandatory also. I’m not Anti-Vax at all, but at 73 years old, I am not getting the “jab”! As the women say, my body, my choice. I live a fairly sequestered lifestyle, only leaving the property a couple of times a month, if that. My truck sat in the driveway so long that the battery died! LOL
So in not being exposed to outside people, I have little to no chance of contracting ANY virus. My grocery shopping is done online with at-store pickup. Otherwise, I remain at home.
Mandate all you want but LEAVE ME THE HELL ALONE!
Ahhh, I could be your soul-sister. You describe me to a T. My job takes me out into the greater world once in awhile, and I’m not skeered of the exposure, but my choice is a life of solitary serenity. Not vaxxed, but not anti-vax. Adults should be free to make their own choices, but leave me and the children alone.
Malevolent governments fuel human tribal hatred. That’s our situation in Democrat-ruled states (e.g. California)
Communist governments (always?) inspire tribal hatred and bloodshed. (e.g. Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, etc.)
Democrats are Communists at heart. (Ever hear a Democrat say anything bad about Communism – other than there’s not enough of it?)
Welcome back Bill. My question regarding this discussion is what happened to pro-choice? I hope you get where I’m going.
It’s a flu. The vaccine was never going to stop the virus which is going to change just like the flu. And we have proof that the prophylactic and curative effects of hydrochloroquine and Ivermectrin were suppressed by the very people who should have given us that info ASAP.
As many have stated, the covidiocy was just an excuse for the tyrants and leftists who already hated the Republic and/or conservatives.
Covidiocy – I love it!
Virtue signaling makes the control-freaks feel like they are actually doing something.
I often refer to masks as the adult version of a participation trophy.
Envy
Why the Rage Against Those Who Don’t Get the Jab?Simple answer, Lack of guns and those who are willing and know how to use them.
You look at the whole thing upside down. Then no wonder you’re baffled on the reasons.
The explanations is unfortunately the trivial one: we have ton of garbage people, who have all that hatred built in. Likely coupled with urge to command others too.
So masks, vax, environment, race and any other factor is just an accidental excuse for them. The mandates and recommendations just provide a simple excuse to start bitching.
Also, that we see proliferation of all that behavior compared to other times is that bullies have strength in numbers — alone they would not come out just because cowardice keeps them at bay, But when it’s way too common and not put them is spotlight, they all crawl out.
Yes, bravery in numbers. And a press that nightly tells them they are righteous in their indignation. Even encouraging them to be so.
Most people are conditioned but to varying degrees. Those that are strongly conditioned will behave as you described in your anti-vax diatribe. Conditioning is when people are taught that their own beliefs are actual truth and these people are then taught what to believe. Those that are the most severely conditioned will react strongly to information that contradicts their beliefs and will not counter with information but will demean and degrade the presenter of such contradictory information. This is because, subconsciously, they know the contradictory information is probably true but they can not admit that as it would show that their beliefs are wrong and if their beliefs are wrong then their whole life is wrong as their life is dictated by their beliefs. Thus rises the anger and intense reactions.
Fear is the motivator and some people have become addicted to living in fear and have made a virtue of it and if you do not have the same fear you must be the unenlightened one and need to be shunned.
“Fear is the mind killer.”
When we start with population that i already made dumb in the education system and mobile mindnumbing platforms in everyone’s pocket — the add 2 years of continuous fearmongering, what can we expect really?
We are always hearing of people who are around seeking after Truth. I have never seen a (permanent) specimen. I think he has never lived. But I have seen several entirely sincere people who thought they were (permanent) Seekers after Truth. They sought diligently, persistently, carefully, cautiously, profoundly, with perfect honesty and nicely adjusted judgment—until they believed that without doubt or question they had found the Truth. That was the end of the search. The man spent the rest of his life hunting up shingles wherewith to protect his Truth from the weather.–Mark Twain from his essay “What is Man?” 1906. And this is why people who have chosen to take the vax, whether they took the word of the CDC or did some research on their own, cannot consider the possibility that it was all for naught. That, and they are being told by the government that anyone holding a dissenting opinion is not a reliable source. It is terrifying to believe that the government would manipulate its citizens, so it is easier to believe the “other” is wrong.
Perhaps I’ve been fortunate, but I do know a few people who don’t stop seeking just because they’ve come to one conclusion in a moment of time. But I tend to agree with you. There is the tendency to lean into the ease of not pursuing what seems to takes a great deal of ongoing energy. More than that, there is a tendency to let others do the hard work of thinking for us.
I found Bill’s comment, regarding his opting to not smoke a joint and the response it brought on, to be very close to the point. Once someone is content in their decision… it really grates if someone they know and can see and talk with comes to a completely different conclusion. Sure, they’re supposed to have the option, but why would they when you’ve come to the only sensible conclusion yourself? 😉 It throws a fly in your ointment to consider that there may be another conclusion… you’ve finished all your labors of consideration and here someone is not thinking like you are thinking. WHAT can that be about? It undermines your confidence in your solution and you did not want to reconsider your conclusion.. you were done with that. It’s annoying. It’s difficult to ignore, even when you want to. Obviously you should be angry at anyone that puts you in that mental bind. 😉
A few years back [perhaps decades] I was offered a joint by a young man that I didn’t know, while in the company of people that I did know… I did not want to join them in that, so I POLITELY declined, and the need demonstrated to convince me that I should do it anyway was surprising. But I wasn’t going to back down, and dug into the polite refusal. Repeatedly. Fortunately I had backbone even as a teenager. It wouldn’t have been the end of the world, except that others were attempting to override my personal decision in the matter. I can see how comparable that situation was to this discussion… although the teens involved were far less hateful than the anti-anti-vaxxers of today.
Fear makes people irrational. Period.
Or does irrational thinking make people fear that which they shouldn’t?
A couple thoughts: First, I greatly appreciate your (all of you!) analyses. A finger was put on three different possible underlying motives; fear, pride, and rebellion – all three of which are a fundamental part of the fallen nature of man and can play a part. This isn’t new, and we’ve seen it before in history. A two-part interview with the pioneer of the MRNA vaccines answer Bill’s question (particularly Part 1) and explain a great deal about why the “anti-vaxxers” have become the enemy.
PART 1: Dr. Robert Malone on COVID Dogma, Media Fearmongering, and ‘Mass Formation’ Hypnosis of Society (theepochtimes.com)
PART 2: Dr. Robert Malone on Risks of Vaccinating Children, Herd Immunity Misconceptions, and the Omicron-Vaccine Mismatch (theepochtimes.com)
Those are excellent interviews!
Huge difference between the deadly “yellow fever” and a sickness that almost everyone survives. The 99% effective lifetime vaccination sounds better than an unproven RNA solution that is not a vaccination at all. It does not prevent contraction or the carry of covid. Now, for a logical person, wouldn’t it seem prudent to take the chance on the yellow fever vaccine and not on the covid RNA? Sorry but the deadly reaction by the vaxers is the push of the left and their programming.
Yeah, people just doing misservice by putting so different things on the same table. covid is not LIKE yellow fever and the covid vax is not LIKE the yf vax from the epidemiology perspective.
It’s really like asking why some people refuse to pout kerosine on fire by buckets when they didn’t have objection to throw buckets of water. Just because bucket and pouring is involved, the salient part does not make it a proper parallel.
I’ve also been thinking about this very thing. Both Scott and Steve have very good points. But there is a blog on this site titled “Manufacturing of mass Psychosis”. Its related to Scotts point. Mass fear. Normally of something that is not well understood or able to be controlled normally. I highly recommend it. One example mentioned is the Salem witch trials. It seems it is back with the unvaccinated being the new witches.
Unmentioned is the concept of “the other”, someone who openly does not belong to or behave as everyone else. Historical examples abound. Jews, schismatic religious believers, counter culturalists (irony alert).
Those not wearing a mask or those refusing to get vaccinated are the other and an insecure society fears, and often is jealous, of the other.
Given a choice of trying to understand other opinions or vilifying the recalcitrant the default is vilification.
Understanding requires thought, the recognition that your beliefs may not be totally accurate, or more horrifying- the realization that the other is correct in his beliefs and actions.
It’s far easier to show outward compliance and submission
Funny, I feel overwhelmed when liberals don’t understand that the Democrat Party (and some GOPe) are the actual totalitarians, not Trump, Trump supporters, conservatives, and small l libertarians.
Analogous to motorcycle helmets!?!? Is it the cost to others (society, motorcycle helmet wearers) (time, money, health resources, insurance costs, taxes etc.!?!?!) of taking care of those people who don’t wear helmets!?! The Unvaxed are making the Vaxed pay for all this, which they wouldnt have to do if the unvaxed would just get vaccinated!?!
BTW……so GLAD to see Bill back!! God Bless.
I am not sure if the comment above is directed to another post but I will add something I think is relevant to the R/A discussion while responding to the 3 posts. The basis of an individual’s response is multifactorial and asserting just one element as the explanation is an error. In addition to the combined elements already mentioned, including what is in the above, is this: when one holds the truth, every deviation by definition is untrue and therefore evil or perverse. A person acting or believing something different is a threat to the dissemination and practice of truth. This statement is meant to reflect the importance of ideology in all our behaviors, independent of the specific topic. In the analogy of motorcycle helmets, for example, it is clear they reduce the number and severity of head injuries among survivors and may reduce cost to society (although I have not seen the data which proves this allegation). The anger one experiences in seeing a motorcyclist without a helmet may reflect this perception that I am paying for another person’s stupidity but also may reflect the cost to the cyclist. As John Donne wrote, “I am involved in all mankind, and never send to know for whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee.” We see ourselves reflected in others and in their choices, and what we see as bad choices, based on our ideology, we see as a lack of self-discipline and selfishness. I am trying to avoid the specifics of our current state in this post, as Bill stated in the beginning. Humans also create a form of social compact when living in groups and violating the written or unwritten elements of that contract stimulates the majority to press the minority to adhere. In Bill’s example of the party, the push, in part, was establishing group identity. Bill’s choice was compliance or leave the group. It didn’t matter if he was right or wrong in his refusal. He was separating himself from the “compact” acknowledged by the rest of the group. The key, and hard part, comes with understanding the behavior of someone but not accepting it. How one reacts depends on the specific situation. If a person is waving a gun about, one’s reaction is different compared to someone not wearing a mask outdoors.
“… Humans also create a form of social compact when living in groups …”
If you were never an integral part of the “group decision” forming such a compact, you are simply a victim of a pack mentality, and you aren’t one of that pack.
You may be a citizen taxpayer, a customer of a store, etc., but if a stated paradigm is being enforced, you must be compelled to comply, or you ARE “the other”, subject to condemnation, if not worse!
Your point about not being a part of the establishment of the compact is valid because in that case one simply is being present in that location but not signaling agreement. If I find myself in a group of thugs I am not indicating agreement with their shared compact. If one intends to join the group one is expressing acceptance of the compact. The essential point of an immigrant becoming a citizen of this country is acceptance of the contract expressed in the required oath. That those of us born in this country do not formally take an oath similar to that taken by immigrants weakens our allegiance. When I was young we said the pledge of allegiance, not that I or my fellow students understood the significance of this act. I am not advocating universal or total compliance but a shared agreement. What I am seeing in our country is there no longer is agreement on the basics of what we believe are our social and political contacts. This lack of agreement promotes anger and even violence.
One further general point: I wish we on the right would stop ceding the language to the left. People who don’t want to take the Covid vaccine are not Ant-Vax. There are people, a small vocal group, who are against all vaccines. The Jenny McArthy’s of the world.
Ronette came home for Winter break and used the phrase Anti-Vax about Covid shots and she and I had a long talk. (For the record, yes I got the shot, mostly due to elderly in-laws). Only about 55% of the country gets a Flu shot every year, the other 45% are not anti-Vax, they just don’t see the need. People are allowed to weigh there own risk and risk acceptance.
I don’t like when we lump people into groups and allow for language that is clearly derogatory. We should fight putting people into groups at all and treat people as individuals.
That’s thinking like a conservative conservatives view people as individuals. Liberals view people only in groups.
I agree there is a difference between those who are truly anti-vax (not just Covid, but any vaccine) and those who simply don’t see the need. I’ve weighed the chances of even getting Covid (about 1 in 10) and the chance of recovery if I get it (99%). I don’t have a religious or medical reason to not getting it, I just don’t believe I need it. Call me altruistic and let someone else have my shot who truly needs it (she thinks facetiously). I would rather have the immunity that Bill and Natasha have over getting jabbed every few months. How much can one’s immune system take getting hit with the jab-du-jour? It remains to be seen.
Of the three people I know of who have had Covid, all have been vaccinated. One was a friend of 12 years who, once she found out I’m unvaccinated, decided we could no longer be friends. Although it makes me sad our friendship ended, I’ve also noticed a pattern that those on the left cannot tolerate anyone who doesn’t think exactly like them. As a conservative, I really don’t care if you are vaccinated or not, or if you believe the same things I do. All that matters to me is that you treat me well and we enjoy each other’s company. We are all individuals with our own like/dislikes and beliefs and that’s what makes life interesting.
All excellent points. I would only argue one number, the 1 in 10. My personal belief is that a majority of our population has been exposed to this particular virus, it’s just that the vast majority of those had no symptoms and therefore did not get tested. So the math is likely 7 in 10, 99.88% chance of full recovery. This comes out to approx 300k per year deaths. To that you can deduct if you don’t have several comorbidities.
The Italian equivalent of CDC has gone back and looked at comorbidities. If they consider those with more than 2 comorbidities to have died from something other than Covid, their deaths drop BY 95%.
Sweden has determined that over the past two years they have had less than 1000 “excess” deaths; meaning those that died from Covid would likely have died in this same 2 year period.
You may be right about the 7 in 10. I was going by older stats in my county, plus the fact that I work from home and only go out 2-3 times per week (date night with hubby, grocery shopping and the occasional lunch with a girlfriend — those that are unvaccinated or who don’t care if I’m vaccinated). I also don’t get the annual flu shot either, though my doctor has always recommended it. I never get the flu and It’s been several years since I even had a cold so I believe I don’t need any vaccines. If I ever get to the point where it’s necessary, I’ll do it. But until then, que sera, sera!
I completely agree! The other thing that is largely unsaid and misunderstood is that these particular “vaccines” are different from all previous ones, as they alter the human genome. They’re still in the experimental stage, undergoing clinical trial, and have only been licensed for emergency use. Some are even saying that the “authorized” vaccine isn’t actually available in the US. Many people who are comfortable with traditional, proven, vaccines are *not* comfortable with those currently on offer in the United States for COVID-19.
No. They do not alter the human genome.
But they ARE different in how they work* and it is true there’s no way for us to be completely sure of long term effects at this time, though we can make some educated guesses. This is why I get why many people are hesitant.
Now me, I wasn’t hesitant. But I don’t believe I have the right to make that decision for others.
*they basically trick the cells around the injection site into producing its own vaccine. Then your immune system responds to that by figuring out how to, then producing antibodies.
These “vaccines” are not actual vaccines, they are not curative in the traditional sense.
They are more akin to the annual Flu shot, which is mildly effective, provides some peace of mind to the recipient, but is acknowledged as not being mandatory. Thus the Mandates are a step across the line of sel- determination and informed consent.
Add in the genetic manipulation, literally monkeying with the internal tree of life itself, and the experimental jabs are a hard no!
For the record, we were victims of the Alpha variant. The close friend who exposed us to it passed away in hospital after 2 weeks of Remdesivir. We now have natural immunity, with only lingering effects a year later (as advertised) and see no need for taking the jab. As a person with lifelong lung disease, masks are problematic as well for extended use.
There is definitely a gang dynamic at work in trying to get others to conform to the “preferred” behavior. This actually seems to be a fairly logical extension of the same bullying that goes on about much simpler behaviors: Pronouns, “women’s reproductive rights”, BLM Protest, etc. Each of these has escalated.
But now there is the 2 years of fear porn that has made a significant part of the population believe, in their hearts, that to get Covid is a death sentence. Though not true, it is what they have been told, over and over and over ad infinitum.
So if you are told, repeatedly, that Covid is deadly and the only way to eradicate it is to get everyone vaccinated, and you are part of the group predisposed to bully those not like you, it gets very violent since it is already irrational, but now it is a matter of life and death.
So, the old dictum, GIGO, still is correct. Only this time the GI is the purported death rate of Covid. If you dare engage one of these irrational people screaming about vaccine or masks, ask them what they think the fatality rate of Covid is. I suspect you would get a number off by several orders of magnitude. Even if we accept 800,000 US deaths “due” to Covid (which even the left is pushing back upon this now) that is 0.12% per year of the total US population. But trying to have a rational discussion with people behaving irrationally is not possible.
Good analysis all around, and I’d go a bit further and apply Occam’s Razor. Maybe some of these (maybe too many) Leftists are just nasty people who genuinely hate us Normals and wish death upon us? COVID simply makes for a socially acceptable way for them to say it publicly.