After annexing four regions in Ukraine, Russian President Vladimir Putin not only crows about his glorious Motherland, but he extends the hand of friendship to the U.S. Left…and the Right. Will Americans on both sides of the political aisle find things to like about Putin’s speech? Will we drink this Kremlin Kookaid, and later look back on this era and wonder why we didn’t see the catastrophe coming?
Here’s the promised link to Putin’s speech transcript.
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36 replies on “This Man Is NOT Our Friend: After Carving Ukraine, Putin Reaches Out to U.S. Left…and Right!”
Ukraine, with western corrupt money, dug its own grave and paid for its own coffin. Now, United States citizens are supposed to suffer and bail out the corrupt dealers. NO!
Tinfoil hat stuff.
If our fourth branch of government lets Russia take over Ukraine, the Russian government will expose the United States government as evil liars. The U.S. government will do anything to prevent that from happening. For them, self preservation trumps millions of lives lost.
I hope I’m wrong
“The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose.
An evil soul producing holy witness”
― William Shakespeare, The Merchant of Venice
You can take the boy out of the KGB, but you can’t take the KGB out of the boy.
Even though I don’t doubt that Putin genuinely despises the wokeism we suffer from, that doesn’t change the fact that the cultural-Marxism we face today was strongly encouraged by the KGB for decades. It is still being encouraged by Putin’s allies in Beijing today.
Are the dots starting to join up yet?
Neither is this man, but you don’t seem interested in talking about his corruption…why?
Putin is King. Pro Christian, anti gay, anti tranny, pro country, Anti Satan. That is a friend of mine. 😉
Vladimir Putin is not our friend. True. He is also not our enemy, not the one the counts. Our enemy is the junta in Washington, DC. This is the only enemy that matters now. The enemies of this country and of our freedom are here in the homeland. They are feasting on the remains of a dead republic. Ukraine means nothing to me so long as this is the case.
That’s an amazingly short sighted, simplistic and narrow view. That would be an impressive hissy fit for a pre-adolescent boy. It does no good to solve one problem ignoring all the others.
That’s sort of like being mad at your car because the spark plugs are worn out so you refuse to do an oil change, tire rotation, wash & wax or any other maintenance until those damn spark plugs straighten themselves out.
Eventually the spark plugs will have to be changed anyway, just like our leadership is going to have to be changed because it is fouling all 8 cylinders now. Then you’re going to have a wreck on your hands because of all the other problems piled onto the one that made you whine like a little girl.
There is more than one threat to our Republic and saving the country from your one pet-peeve just to be destroyed by the ones you choose to ignore is an absurd idea. Life just isn’t that simple no matter how simple the mind beholding it wants it to be.
And make no mistake, Vladimir Putin most definitely is our enemy. He has said so with words he spoke out of his own mouth. Many times. As recently as 6 days ago. When someone like Vladimir Putin tells you he’s your enemy you’d best take him at his word. If you don’t know these things then you’re not paying attention to the right people because whoever it is you’re paying attention to should be telling you this.
Putin is not getting the deal he wants from the WEF New Worlders. He wants to have his own Russian kingdom. Just as the communist chinese and Xi want their own kingdom. Demons fight amongst themselves sometimes.
This is America first; if Putin’s Russia gets what it wants, the war is over and trade resumes, energy prices come down and Team Evil (good and evil are the ONLY two sides) can’t destroy the self sufficient middle class in the U.S.A as rapidly as they have been.
Sending our weapons and cash to Ukraine that can’t be replaced quickly, and at huge “emergency” expense to our grandchildren (who will have to live in poverty to pay our debt of extravagance) isn’t a sound strategy of self preservation.
The best defense for the United States of America is self sufficiency witch equals strength. Strength detours evil. The more we deplete our cash, weapons and oil reserves the weaker we become. If we become weak enough, attack on U.S.A. soil will be guaranteed.
I hope I’m wrong.
False premise argument. There’s no way for you to know what Putin wants except for what comes out of his mouth. Which are largely lies and manipulations carefully crafted, as in the speech this video is about, to give people a reason to back his play.
However, Putin has told us in the past what he wants. He wants Russian hegemony and the restoration of the Soviet Union in power and influence if not in name. Everything Putin does is an effort towards his stated, actual goal.
Just like Hitler and Mein Kampf, Putin has told a story that over time becomes unalterable and it is wise to heed not what he says now but the total accumulation of what he has said in the past and apply that to what he says now.
How do we know Putin’s intentions? How do we know he’s not going to stop at some regions of Ukraine? Just like Adolf Hitler, Putin has told us his intentions. The only smart move is to take him at his word in that regard and ignore the things he says that make you want to believe otherwise. Only one of those things can be true. Believing he intends to stop once successful is believe the lie.
If you want something as bad as the Soviet Union back again your arguments are exactly how to get there. Those arguments ignore the larger threat and advocate an uneasy temporary peace in bargain for a larger future threat. Russians, especially old school KGB Russians like Putin, do not think the way you do. Not even close.
That said, they also know very well how you think and that means they know how to tell you what you want to hear. Which appears to be succeeding. You should pause and think about that for a bit.
It is true that America can and should be as self sufficient as we are able to — But self sufficiency is not the only aspect of strength. This is how survivalists and other such nincompoops see the world, they think that if they’re self-sufficient and sufficiently armed they’re going to be safe come what may.
That is not true. Someone with a larger force better armed and desperate can still overwhelm them. I’ve been trained in some rather esoteric military capacities and one of the first lessons of that sort of training is that no one is invincible when facing a stronger enemy. There are things you can do but if the enemy is sufficiently powerful you will eventually be overwhelmed and overrun no matter what you do. So don’t rely on that sort of thing because it will get you exterminated. Bullets do not bounce off the self-sufficient. They kill you every bit as dead as they do the non-self-sufficient.
Unfortunately while we have a great nation with amazing resources we do not have all the resources we need to maintain an ever increasingly prosperous society. We get vital elements and materials from other places around the globe. Elements and materials that we would not and do not have access to within our own borders. Even the weapons you bemoan are being depleted need those components for their manufacture.
This is the basis of trade and commerce you refer to. Actual self-sufficiency negates not promotes commerce. If the other guy doesn’t have anything we need then he has nothing at all to pay with for our goods. Trade comes to a screeching halt when that happens.
Then the other guy starts thinking about joining our enemies so he can TAKE what we have even though he has nothing to offer in return. Which brings us to …
I think you made a Freudian Slip with that one, perhaps you meant to say “Strength deters evil” and that is true but … What you actually said is more applicable to this discussion. Strength also does detour evil but a detour is not an end of the journey. Putting off evil with a detour just means that you’re going to face a larger evil which has gathered its own strength and power in the process.
I don’t know what you know or grasp as far as strategic global concerns goes but even if we had everything we would ever need tucked safely well inside our borders America can never survive on the strength of self-sufficiency alone. Self sufficiency is a form of strength but it is not sufficient strength in itself. If American is the only, last standing free nation in the world then evil has grown to irresistible, overwhelming strength. Which again is a sure recipe for extermination.
The surest way to be certain we in the United States all die in a nuclear holocaust is to withdraw inside our own borders and let the rest of the world succumb to evil. Fighting evil, so it cannot get to the point where the easiest way for it to triumph is by just nuking America and writing off our part of the globe as an acceptable loss, is in our own “America First” interests.
The trick then is to keep the world as free of evil as possible. To keep evil from spreading and spreading and spreading. That incremental spreading was the plan of the Soviet Union, that is the current plan of Vladimir Putin and the current plan of the People’s Republic of China.
Evil must needs be prevented from reaching a point where it can no longer be effectively resisted. You don’t wait until evil is nearly strong enough to do that. If you wait and let it grow it becomes harder not easier to defeat. The Russians, I assure you most emphatically, know the old adage —
“How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time.”
All the arguments you make apply to whatever aggression Russia chooses to commit. If Russia decides to gobble up more territory your argument still holds and it’s based on a false premise. Russia knows this even if you do not. Russia knows if the excuse for gobbling up one bit of land is accepted then it will be accepted again with a perhaps greater but probably lesser degree of difficulty. Hitler applied the same playbook as I mentioned in a different reply to you.
In 20/20 hindsight, Patton was right, not surprisingly. The moment we defeated the Nazis we should have turned and driven the Russians back inside their own borders. Which would have prevented the Soviet Union from ever existing AND all the blood and treasure that were spent on resisting the Soviets would have been a savings for future generations.
It’s cheaper and better to stop evil from eating the elephant than it is to let it grow huge and irresistable from elephant eating. Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.
OK, now that I’ve said all that … I agree that the current Administration nominally led by a garden vegetable named Joe Biden are not going about things the right way to get to where we need to be. That doesn’t mean Russia should be allowed to run barefoot all over the planet. It means we need better leadership to keep it from doing that. Don’t confuse the two problems. I’m as against the current Administration and the way they do things as you are. Stopping Russia from eating elephants is a separate problem and the great pity is that our current leadership is so weak that Putin was overly tempted to start chowing down on the elephant.
The Russian Bear needs to be shoved back in his cage. We need better leadership to put him there. Until we get that, we have to do the best we can without buying into Putin’s propaganda. The fact that a dumbass, of whom his predecessor said “Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f*ck things up”, happens to be accidentally on the right side of this particular issue even though he’s fumbling it horribly, does not justify a knee jerk reaction that just because Joe is on a particular side the side Joe’s on has to be wrong. Even a blind Biden finds an acorn once in a while.
Everything you’re saying is true……in 2013. You don’t (or won’t) accept what time it is. The fourth branch of our government (unelected and unaccountable) isn’t trying to “win” in Ukraine. The WEF goal in Ukraine is the depletion of the United States’ ability to fight a war. They are rapidly achieving their goal.
If we continue to chase after the carrot (stop Putin) the grand experiment of self governance and individual liberty in the United States will end soon.
Why do you think the west (WEF) is doing everything they can to drive up the price of oil (fund putin’s war)? Every time we fill our gas tanks we are funding putin’s (and the WEF’s) war. The Russian economy depends on high oil prices. If the west drove the price of oil to $30 a barrel or less, Russia will agree to…..fill in the blank (stop what they are doing). And then we have a reprieve to reign in the fourth branch in the U.S.A.
I value your understanding of history. And I agree with your assessment of history but, putin isn’t hitler. The fourth reich is coming from the west (WEF/new world order) this time around.
I’m sorry but the idea that I don’t know what time it is is simply absurd. All that says is that I’m older and/or more educated than you because — The forces that exist today were around in 2013 and before. They’ve morphed into new forms but they were a serious threat back then and they’re a serious threat today. I didn’t say they were not. That’s a “straw man argument” fallacy, taking something I didn’t address and then accusing me of not being aware of it is at its least a silly assumption and at most a subterfuge employing a logical fallacy.
This sort of thing has been an ongoing problem at least since 1826 when John Harington penned the famous poem —
“Treason doth never prosper, what’s the reason?For if it prosper, none dare call it Treason.”
That, by the way, was adopted as the motto of the John Birch Society. I’ve never been a member or even an advocate for that Society but they were raising the alarm about this sort of thing since they were founded a couple months after I was born. Your views are nothing new and certainly nothing novel since 2013.
Just because I don’t go into something in depth doesn’t mean I don’t know about it. These comments of mine are already fairly lengthy essays. Don’t pick something I didn’t bring up and think I don’t know anything about it. I can’t possibly cover every single permutation in this comment section and still have any hope that what I say will be read. Brevity is not ignorance.
You’re making the serious mistake of thinking that the WEF and other enemy ideologies and entities are something new under the sun. They’re not. That’s just the Bilderbergers, the Tri-Lateral Commission and the like under a new name. Same old faces, same old game, new nomenclature. Those people have been trying to alter the world stage to favor their own interests for decades and decades. Perhaps centuries and guess what? They still haven’t succeeded. They might succeed and certainly will if we allow them to play out their long con but it’s nothing particularly new.
Just because we fight one enemy, Russia, doesn’t preclude fighting other enemies at the same time. It does no good to defeat one enemy just to be conquered by another. Russia becoming stronger works just fine for entities like the WEF too. It was financiers that created the conditions that brought the Soviet Union into existence in the first place. Those types are no stranger to Russia by any stretch of the imagination. They know their history and they know what worked for them before.
Oh, Putin will say he opposes them and that doesn’t matter. Putin is a liar and a manipulator just like they are and he knows it’s not what you say but what you can do that counts. Putin will say anything he thinks gives him an advantage. That’s what the above video is about and why we’re discussing this so it’s incontrovertible.
The WEF etc. will control Russia (more or less) because Russia is poor, it has a tiny economy compared to us and it needs money badly. Lots of money. Where do you think that money comes from? It’s not the sale of hydrocarbons but that certainly helps a lot. Every little bit helps but the rot goes a lot deeper than the gas pump.
Just like the US House of Representatives controls the purse strings in the US, the WEF et. al. would control Putin’s finances too. They don’t have to be obvious about that, all they have to do is let Putin know where his boundaries are and steer him towards their own goals. This is a common tactic of financiers that well predates 2013. Russia has been under the thumb of such for a very long time.
The current alarming ascendance in power of these ‘new’ enemies is the result of terrible, either misguided or outright evil, leadership in America for these last couple years since Blubbering Joe took office. That doesn’t mean they weren’t always there working behind the scenes and I assure you I have been very aware of that sort of thing for a very long time.
It means their plans are being accelerated by willing collaborators in our own political system. That’s a problem and a big one. It’s not the only problem and things just aren’t as simple as some seem to think they are.
Sadly the Biden Administration has been playing by their rules and giving them aid and succor hoping to ride their coattails to a lock on political power in America. The adage here that applies is ‘feeding the crocodile hoping he’ll eat you last’. You still get eaten in the end as long as the crocodile feeds and grows. There’s only one way to avoid that — Crocodile hide boots.
The only question is which is the greater threat deserving higher priority. Having Russia succeed in taking territory and power is every bit as bad as seeing the WEF have its way. The difference is the WEF does not command a nuclear arsenal with global reach wielded by a single despot with which to enforce its will. If it did it would already be too late and that sort would have made its play and be in control by now. Thwarting Putin is thwarting the WEF and if you don’t see that then you’re not nearly as well informed as you think yourself to be.
I’m not downplaying the threat from those people at all. You thinking I’m doing that is your mistake not mine.
I don’t give a flying rat’s ass about Ukraine except that I’m grateful Ukrainian men and women are willing to fight Russia for us. Ukraine is a proxy war. Fighting a proxy war means that Joe Biden and Company have allowed us or intentionally caused us to slip back into a Cold War environment. If you don’t know that then it’s you that doesn’t know what time it is.
Putin launched his proxy war at the most opportune time giving him the greatest possibility of success. I’ve hunted both men and animals, this is known as taking your first, best shot. That’s what Putin did, the Biden Administration created that first, best opportunity. Just because the Biden Administration is weak and easy to cow doesn’t mean the Biden Administration should not be resisting Putin’s expansionist aggressions. They absolutely should be doing that, they just ought to have done a better job of it. If they’d done a better job it wouldn’t have happened because that first, best opportunity would not have occurred.
(Rejecting something just because someone is in power you don’t like is called being “reactionary”. A good example is the Biden policy on our Southern border. Donald Trump wanted to build a wall and was keeping illegals in Mexico so they didn’t flood into the US. Biden took the opposite reactionary position by stopping the wall building and opening the border wide for anyone to come in. Biden’s actions are reactionary to Trump despite the fact that those actions are not the best thing for the nation and are causing him considerable political problems. ‘Reactionary’ is a fancy political way of saying “Cutting your nose off to spite your face.”)
That the Ukrainian war is being fought as badly as it is because our leadership is beholden to things like the WEF. That doesn’t mean that it’s a war that shouldn’t be fought and it doesn’t mean it’s the only conflict we’re engaged in either.
You say that Putin is not Hitler. That’s the same position that people took about Hitler, that he couldn’t possibly be that bad and that evil. Turns out in hindsight he was. We don’t know what Putin will do but we can look at what he’s said and done in light of the parallels history makes obvious and determine the wisest course of action.
I made a very solid historical case for the similarities. YOU blew off that historical obviety with another pronouncement. You didn’t make any counter argument for why I’m not right, you brought other elements into the discussion so you could claim something new has happened since 2013. This shows an abysmal lack of historical context and understanding. It does not make your case by any means.
You’re welcome to make a real case if you like but you actually have to do that. Not run around with your hair on fire over the WEF and ignore both the history of wealthy, powerful conspiratorial groups and broader history in general. So …
Go ahead and do that. Start by assuming I’m not stupid and there’s nothing really new under the sun. If you ignore history you are doomed to repeat it. Blowing off historical evidence of how things come about is ignoring history.
I’ve tried my best not to be smarmy and condescending to you. To just present my arguments and point out why they counter and trump yours. If you’re going to insult my intelligence and call me stupid thereby the tone of this conversation is going to change. You’re most welcome to present your arguments and I actively look for respectful debate. You’re not welcome to assume I don’t know something, to make absurd accusations about me not knowing what time I’m living in, attack me for not going into something I didn’t address, and thinking that making pronouncements is as valid as logical reasoning.
Your call.
What happened in Ukraine in early 2014?
You mean the Maidan Revolution? Which was the actual outbreak of hostility in the Russo-Ukrainian war? Russia’s invasion this year being one of the later developments in a conflict that has been going on since February 2014?
Do you mean when the sitting Ukrainian President Yanukovych defied the overwhelming decision of his own parliament and sided with Russia against the wishes of the Ukrainian people as expressed by their own legislature? Because Yanukovych caved to Russian pressure, preferring to be a Russian puppet over serving the will of the people who elected him? And then openly acted against the will of his own people? When Yanukovych used government corruption, abuses of power, police brutalization and instituted strenuous anti-protest laws to shut up his own people?
You mean when on 21 February 2014 the Ukrainian Parliament voted 328 to 0 to remove Yanukovych from power and he fled the capital? Then Yanukovych refused the order claiming it was illegal? Can you imagine what would happen if every single member of our Federal Legislature, both House and Senate, voted unanimously to impeach one of our Presidents and that President just said “Nah, not happenin'” then sent thugs to beat up anyone who opposed him?
Do you mean the Russian initiation of military hostilities shortly after the Maidan Revolution? When Russia realized they were not going to get their way by political manipulation and attacked Ukraine with military forces? Where Ukrainians clearly stated they didn’t want to be a part of Russia and Russia’s answer to that was tanks and troops?
You mean when Russia’s puppet Yanukovych was deposed by force and Russia decided to invade Crimea? In spite of American promises to honor and protect the sovereignty of Ukrainian territory in exchange for Ukraine surrendering all the leftover Russian nukes still on Ukrainian soil? The promises that the Obama administration pretended were never made? You mean the sweeping reforms where civil servants associated with the overthrown regime were drained from the Ukrainian swamp? You mean the widespread and very laudable decommunization of Ukraine that followed?
Those are all things that occurred in early 2014 or as a direct result of those occurrences. I’m not clear which of them you’re asking about. Be more specific.
As I said above. This isn’t 2013 anymore. I enjoy engaging people with different views. Especially when they are what I call “honest thinkers”. An honest thinker contemplates and accepts truth and reality. Honest thinkers will accept new information as it becomes available. I look forward to corresponding with you in the future.
So … Yeah … um … I guess that means you realize I know what happened in early 2014. Fact is I’m pretty well versed on those events.
As far as being an honest thinker goes, I’ve been trained in that sort of thing in a capacity where self-delusion, confirmation bias, not seeing things for what they are, interpreting the world through magical, wishful thinking and anything else like that are disastrous. I’m fairly adept at accepting reality having had the stupid beaten out of me as Bill says. The funny thing is, you don’t really need to be taught how to do that. It’s sad there are so many people incapable of viewing reality for what it really is.
Be that as it may, it is what it is. Believing what you want to believe instead of believing what really exists is a human trait. We have just as much of that on the Right, which demonstrates itself even here on BWC, as the Left has.
So I don’t get your point about it “not being 2013 anymore”. It’s not 1990 anymore (Desert Storm), it’s not 1955 anymore (Vietnam War), it’s not 1950 anymore (Korean War), it’s not 1939 anymore (WWII), it’s not 1914 anymore (WWI), etc. Other wars all started in those years just like the Russo-Ukrainian war started in 2014. All those things left the world a different place afterwards.
What is your point? Or are you fond of stating the obvious just because it’s obvious? I don’t know what you mean or what you’re doing so don’t be offended but there are people that go around stating the obvious thinking they’re saying something impressively profound. Or that they’ve discovered some profound new truth and are not aware there’s nothing new about it. Or read the work of people who do that and are impressed so much they repeat it.
This is why a knowledge of history is so vital. History is perspective and guidance on what’s actually happening and what to expect and prepare for. History is an insight into why things happened the way they did and how to recognize them when they are in the early stages now. History is a means to avoid letting the bad guys pull something that worked for them before. It doesn’t eliminate bad guys but it does force them to come up with something new. Which allows us to interdict them because we’re not letting them do what they did before which worked back in history.
If something worked back then and we let them do it again now it will work for them again now. If we stop them from using an historic model they have to try something that is unknown and unproven. This greatly increases the chance they will fail.
If someone didn’t know the history of 2014 they might not get the truth that Russia has been an active aggressor in Ukraine for a lot longer time than just the invasion early this year. Russia is a bad actor, at least since the Bolshevik Revolution and before that the Tsarist government is irrelevant because that doesn’t exist anymore. At least the Tsars were bound by ties of family and marriage to the rest of Europe. Stalin, Brezhnev and Putin are what you get from Russia when you don’t have Tsars.
There is nearly nothing positive that Russia has done for the world since the Bolshevik Revolution. Russia has stolen technology, especially weapons technology but they’ll take anything at all they can steal. Exported a violent, blood thirsty criminal element across the entire globe with members trained by and using skills, assets, contacts, techniques and intelligence learned in service to Mother Russia because most of these Russian Mafioso are ex-KGB. And does nothing at all to stop them. Harbors cyber criminals and cyber-terrorists and does nothing to stop them either, because they bring in hard currency to Russia. Stolen entire nations from their own people. Tried their damnedest to bring down the United States in particular for the last many decades and is still trying to do that. Promoted immorality and social decadence in an attempt to corrupt the whole world. Pushed hard on communist ideology which we know is a disastrous politics, through guile, lies and manipulation for reasons of profit and power. Outright unapologetically murdered tens of millions of their own people and enslaved many more than that in gulags, prisons, work houses and camps of various types. Supported and caused directly or indirectly the murder of countless numbers of people in other nations. Championed the cause of every other bad actor on the globe. Persecuted religions and anything else that might be a challenge to their power system. Cost the entire world appalling amounts of blood and treasure in resistance to their busted-ass tyranny and … Those are just the few things among many more I could name right off hand.
That’s a lot of bad actor.
It’s not just a matter of “Oh, they are OK. The Russians just see things differently than we do.” It’s a matter of EVIL incarnate.
The idea of somehow that has magically changed and now all-of-a-sudden Vladimir Putin has supernaturally and inexplicably morphed into a champion of Western Values is preposterous. It is absurd nincompoopery of the highest order. It is as or even more preposterous than any of the ridiculous things the American Left tries to push on us. It’s dumber than saying men can be women and women can be men.
Not only that, it’s insanely obvious. When someone puts a fancy diamond studded collar on a snake and tells you it’s a poodle you’d best not pet it. Unless you’ve got a fondness for snakebite.
Yet even here, in this enclave of supposedly intelligent, sincere conservatives I see people petting that snake and calling it ‘friend’. That’s idiotic. Seriously idiotic. There’s just no other way to put it. How can anyone even have the tiniest bit of respect for such people?
Or is it just that you think I don’t know what year I’m living in?
Given Putin’s backing of the Green movement and other such political forces in this country, you could argue that Putin is part of the problem represented by the junta.
We need to deal with the one in DC, yes, but we also need to deal with Putin just as much, or he will put in another junta (or try) and undo all of our other good work.
Tucker Carlson, Steven K Bannon and pollster Rich Baris are taking a strong Pro-Putin and anti Zelenskyy line on their sites. That has split Maga but it my be intentional Trump tactics. Its keeps Russian generals from agreeing with Putin and nuking something.
The other thing stopping the nukes is the prevailing winds; north west into Russia.
Biden cant do strategic unpredictability so Trumps got some of his surrogates doing it. Trumps not in total control though.
I believe God is running this show and when he takes down a foe he uses another foe often to do it. Napoleon destroyed the corrupt holy roman empire; Stalin, Roosevelt and Churchill were all socialists yet God set them up to destroy fascism and Hitler.
Russia and Ukraine are suffering the consequences of their corruption. Ukraine has clearly fixed that corruption otherwise they would not be winning. Russia will come undone in a few months. To put troops in Ukraine they are drawing down on manpower FSB needs to keep the dictatorship in power.
“Tucker Carlson, Steven K Bannon and pollster Rich Baris are taking a strong Pro-Putin and anti Zelenskyy line on their sites.” … False.
NO ONE is pro-Putin or anti-Zelensky. They merely point out the globalist opposition to Russia as a sovereign nation, the globalist censorship of opposing views from Russian media, the labeling of everything contradicting their message as “Russian disinformation” or “conspiracy theory” using their propaganda MSM..which lied to us about Iraq WMD’s, lied and said Hunter’s laptop was Russian disinformation, lied and said Russia fixed our 2016 election and blackmailed Trump with a pee tape and lied and said Trump ignored Russian bounties on our soldiers
They also point out that Zelensky is a dictator who shuts down news stations which don’t support his views.
They also point out that the West pushing Ukrainian membership in NATO started all of this.
They also point out that the West nixed a peace deal in April between Putin and Zelensky.
I’ll point out something else. This whole war came exactly at the time trucker protestors were circling D.C. on the beltway bringing attention to their globalist vaccine.
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“That has split Maga”
Hasn’t split MAGA in the least. Trump’s support is as high as ever.
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“but it my be intentional Trump tactics. Its keeps Russian generals from agreeing with Putin and nuking something.”
They’re all independent media in the sense that Trump doesn’t control Tucker, Bannon or Baris.
We know three things for sure:
In the Yeltsin years they mistook immorality for liberty, corruption for capitalism and lawlessness for freedom. Now they have gone to the opposite extreme. The troika that is Russia is out of control.
Steve’s observation is BRILLIANT! Thank you!!!
Also, regarding Putin’s “decency,” Jesus said “Even Satan appears as an angel of light.” He’s right that America is disintegrating into evil, depravity, and perversion (a significant amount of which occurred with HIS help). Someday, America might even stoop to the depths of Russia’s persistent historical bent. As President Reagan once said, “The only foreign soil occupied by America is the ground where American service men & women are buried who died for the freedom of others.”
Meh. I’m reminded of back in the mid-late Oughties when all of the Lefties were purring over Ahjimdenijad’s (sp) “interview” on 60 Minutes. Today we’re just getting a different authoritarian with a better refined message
Yeah, but that’s not the problem Bob. I’ve seen people on this very site crowing about how we shouldn’t be supporting Ukraine against Putin because “he shares our core values”. Vladimir Putin most definitely does not share our core values. This phenomena is much more ubiquitous on the rest of the internet outside our little haven of heavenly conservatism here on this site.
These people saying this kind of hogwash are nominally conservatives, or at least people who vote Republican because you can’t really be a real conservative if you are fooled by this sort of propaganda.
Just a week or so ago we had one of those types posting here on BWC a load of nonsense that was clearly Putin Propaganda. Even Steve Green felt he needed to point out the error of this person’s ‘information’ and the guy insulted Steve for disagreeing with him.
It’s one thing to have our goofy, dangerous, destructive American Left believing in fairy tales and magical thinking. Those people are going to support, advocate and vote for cultural Marxism no matter what. It’s a critter of a completely different color when people who vote Republican are taken in by similar fairy tales crafted skillfully to get them to support someone like ol’ Vlad.
That’s what this episode was addressing. Not the American Left but the danger to the American Right. Putin knows he already has the Left in his pocket and he knows it’s time to work on the other side of the fence.
Russians are crafty bastards and the speech Scott references here is the epitome of crafty bastardry. Because it’s aimed at us on the Right.
Very true. The only positive thing I can say about Putin is that he opposes the globalists, but that’s it. I’m also not a fan of the unconditional & completely unaccountable billions we’re dumping into Ukraine, but they are the lesser of two evils here.
And no, I don’t have any kind of solution or anything constructive to offer on this issue, which is why I rarely weigh in on the subject
IMO, Putin opposes the globalists because they aren’t him. To use a quote from Titanic: “I’m king of the world!”
No more need for “Buffer States” if the whole world is Mother Russia or its possessions.
This is so. Putin opposes globalists because he sees them as his competition. He doesn’t like them because he wants to BE the ONLY globalist.
The problem with Russia since the Bolshevik Revolution is keeping the Russian Bear in his own cage. Keeping Russia inside the borders of Russia.
Russians are a paranoid bunch, not without historical reasons. However, they’re also liars and manipulators and think everyone else is just as much liar and manipulator. So telling them we have no desire to attack them is met with a smirk and a ‘Da, right, Komrade. Whatever you say’.
From a perspective of the Russian viewpoint, as Vladimir Putin sees things, there is only one way to have any real security. That way is to be the master of Planet Earth. Even if they achieved that somehow they would still be paranoid that the Moon, Mars and Venus are conspiring to invade their territory. When those planets are subdued they would turn to the rest of the solar system with suspicion and paranoia.
This is a never ending story as far as Russia is concerned. The only thing we can do is kick that Bear back into his cage and then prepare for the next time he tries to break out. When we do that the Russians say “See! We were right! They attacked us!” Well … Yeah, so learn your lesson and stay in your cage.
Russia is an example of what you get when a regionally powerful geopolitical entity sees itself as a perpetual victim. They’re belligerent runts on the global stage. Russia has the national equivalent of a ‘short man’s complex’.
This is what the WEF says too. Russia and China mainland are the two main obstacles to the new world order.
The United States of America is still a tossup. We’ll know more a month from now……or a year……or how ever long it takes to “count” the “votes”.
I hope I’m wrong.
I’m no fan of Ukraine either, but as you say there’s the ‘lesser of two evils’ blade slicing this issue. As far as Putin vs. Globalists I posted a reply on that to Harry in this thread.
I’ve said before and will here repeat that those billions in military aid were worth it for the intelligence on modern Russian war fighting capacity. Which is abysmal and turns out to be a lot less threat than we previously believed it to be. But …
The topic of this video isn’t Ukraine vs. Russia, it’s Putin Propaganda vs. Reality.
Putin has blown his wad on Ukraine and is now in the process of virtually press-ganging anyone who can walk and carry a Kalashnikov into service. He’s trying to find 300,000 men that he can slap a uniform on and throw in front of Ukrainian weapon muzzles. Tens of thousands of military aged men are fleeing Russia as a result. He wouldn’t be doing that except as an act of desperation. That means his regular best troops cannot achieve the victory he thought he would see in a matter of days from Zero Hour. That’s a recipe for mutiny and mass desertion not a strategy for victory. Unfit, untrained, ill-equipped Russians are going to start from a position of lousy morale and — Winter is coming.
(Winter is a factor because a large part of military training is learning to endure hardship and still function. Soft, poorly trained virtual civilians pressed into service and immediately deployed to combat operations are not going to endure the hardship of living outdoors in winter very well at all. Especially when they look around and see their fellows dying from not only Ukrainian weapons but cold and dangerous living conditions too.)
So Putin pulls the one weapon in his arsenal that he has left short of nukes and he knows as well as we do that no matter what he says, nukes mean the end of Putin and maybe the end of Russia itself.
That last weapon is propaganda. Unlike Biden and his unelected committee Putin lies very, very effectively and Russians are masters at lying. He lies so well that some on the American Right believe his lies. You can see the result of those lies right here on this page. As I write this at least two comments posted here work in Putin’s favor and one dimwit outright endorses him. Putin offers kool-ade and some on the American Right are guzzling it down.
That’s a problem.
There’s two flavors of Flavor Aid (actual powdered drink mix used in jonestown) in the Russian invasion of Ukraine. They’re both poison. Don’t drink either of them.
Run away while we still can
You have some other planet in mind to run to? Last time I checked this is the only one we have available at the moment. Putin himself has stated he wants much, much more of the planet than just a few regions in Ukraine.
Running away from someone like that is never a wise move. The West largely let Hitler have his way with his invasion of Austria (the Anschluss, click on the word to look it up) and the theft of the Slovakian Sudetenland offering much the same excuses Putin is now using to justify his invasion of Ukraine. I.E. Hitler claimed to be ‘liberating’ Austria and the Sudetenland because the people there were of German descent and spoke German. (Sound familiar? It should.) Annexing Austria gave Germany a common border with its ally Italy and stealing the Sudetenland allowed Hitler to for all practical purposes to take over the Czech Republic. This move put key defensive assets in Hitler’s hands and very significantly expanded German territory and resources.
Putin is using the exact same playbook. After Hitler was allowed to do that he started WWII by invading Poland. Hitler’s bogus annexation was a prelude to war. Putin’s bogus annexation is exactly the same sort of prelude. In both cases the phony annexation left/leaves the annexor in a position of greater political, economic and military power. There’s nothing altruistic about it, the altruism is an excuse to gain a more favorable position.
Allowing Germany to do that was a mistake of appeasement that led to WWII. Hitler could have been stopped before he ‘annexed’ those territories if not for people on our side counseling to “run away”. The parallels to what led to WWII are astonishing. Same region, same tactics, different players.
History has not treated the appeaser Neville Chamberlain kindly, nor should it. Chamberlain had a chance to avert WWII with a show of strength and refused to do so. You’re taking almost exactly the same position with Putin as Neville Chamberlain took with the Nazis.
Putin is using words to get what he may not be able to take by military force. You’re helping him.
What you said is a pronouncement, not an argument. It means nothing while attempting to sound profound. If you want to discuss something you have to actually ‘show your work’ in providing a logical, coherent, consistent argument. As I have done above.
Or not and you can go around making empty pronouncements all you like but they mean nothing and do not an argument make. They are not ‘wise counsel’, concepts like this cannot be properly expressed in a Tweet or a couple sentences.
There’s a lot more than just two flavors of Kool-Aid*, involved here. It’s not so simple as that. This sort of thing rarely is.
*Which is the word now used in the common vernacular for the carrier beverage heavily laced with cyanide and sedatives Jim Jones used to poison his people at Jonestown, Guyana. “Drinking the Kool-Aid” means to blindly follow without consideration of consequences. It isn’t really important which particular brand Jones used and if you go around saying “Drinking the Flavor Aid” people won’t know what you’re talking about without explanation. “Drinking the Kool-Aid” is what is now in common use. That was a petty and insignificant detail semantically even though it is technically historically accurate.
He’s gaslighting us no more than our own Democratic Party.
… and no less either but the difference is Putin is really good at this kind of gaslighting. The proof is in the effect this kind of thing is having on some people on the Right.
I wish Russia and Ukraine weren’t two demons fighting against each other but they are. We shouldn’t support any demons. We have enough demon fighting to do right here, right now.
Lol, you don’t get to ignore one demon while you turn your back to face another. The one you ignore will gleefully and enthusiastically stab you when you turn your back. It’s not an either/or situation where either we fight one set of demons or we fight another one. Demons are notoriously uncooperative when it comes to letting you pick which you’d rather fight.
What kind of an absurd idea is that? Where could you possibly have gotten the idea that we get to pick one fight and the other will just wait for us to finish that before starting up again with its own?
If you do that, the one you ignore is strengthened and resourced even more — Becoming an even larger, more expensive, harder to beat adversary. In fact that ignored adversary might just become so large, expensive and hard to beat that you’re even more prone to run away. Which is exactly what that foe wants.
LMFO … “Pardon me Mr. Putin but would you mind terribly holding off on your war of aggressive expansion while we deal with the issues our current asinine leadership has brought on in the last two years? I mean, I know this is urgent and important to you and I know we Americans can’t really do much until the next election, maybe even until the election after that, so would you be a complete darling and stop murdering people and trying to take over the breadbasket of Europe until say … 2025 or so? Thanks much, you’re a real pal.”
I don’t know what sort of luxury conflicts you’ve been in but the world just doesn’t let you do that. Last time I checked the Marquess of Queensberry Rules don’t apply to international conflict and no one is going to ring a bell to save you when you’re down. War isn’t a sport where everyone plays fair and it sure as hell isn’t something you get to decide which rules will be followed.
You’re not really expecting me to believe that you don’t know all this, are you? How old are you? Maybe you’re a lot younger than me and they didn’t teach you the same obvious common sense things when you went to school. I know education has been failing our people for quite a while, I have a hard time believing it has failed so bad that you can’t see the obvious.
So either you have some other point you’re trying to make in this exchange of comments we’ve been having that I’m just not getting or I have to assume you’re not bright enough to see the obvious. Those are the only two possible explanations I can come up with. Which is it?
I agree that we should not be supporting demons either with weapons, finances, or propaganda. And we certainly have plenty of our own demons to attack.
However, I don’t see it as a zero sum game where you have to pick a side and ignore the other. Demons need to be warred against anywhere and anytime they pop their evil heads up. Maybe I misread your intention.
Sorry, Steve, I gotta disagree w/ you. Marxism doesn’t have eastern roots. Karl and Fred got their ideas straight from Robespierre and all his friends. Where Max got his ideas, some thinker from Eastern Europe? Maybe. I don’t know.
And Robespierre from Rousseau, the philosopher who coined the “Noble Savage”. A great read is Andrew Klavan’s “The Truth and Beauty”, about the great romantic poets who were inspired and then let down by Rousseau and the crap that his BS created and then how they went back to God.