If the Electoral College votes for Joe Biden on December 14, and extant court challenges fail, should President Donald Trump seek the office again in 2024?
Should he talk about it now, effectively freezing the campaigns of any Republican presidential aspirants? If he doesn’t run, what role should he play in the party between now and 2024?
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I still have to have an online chat with Bill on what mistakes Trumps made because most have been tactical use of twitter and some have been constrained by congress imposed hiring rules that even effect the White House and top departmental heads.
I think you’re spot on Bill. I heard Dan Bongino(sp) in his podcast say the Republican party owes a debt of gratitude to Donald Trump. That was part of why people like me voted for Donald Trump, we were sick of the Republicans not fighting for us, we wanted them gone too. I don’t even know why Mitt Romney is a Republican. Who is going to take Trump’s place. He has the rare combination of business acumen, being able to rally support, toughness and sticking up for America on the national as well as global stage. Maybe Don Jr.,runs in the family? These establishment Republicans are done with. My only concern is with the mainstream media not covering the investigation of voter fraud and censoring by big tech that people won’t get the info and will lose interest and get lulled into complaceny and just accept Biden or should say Harris as President and that I believe is what they are banking on. People’s memories are short. That’s why we need guys like you all to keep priming the pump.
Just a few days after Trump got out of the hospital, Nancy Pelosi held a small, quiet presser at which she introduced a bill which dealt with changing the way the 25th Amendment might be applied. (The MSM hasn’t said anything more about it since then.) When someone asked her why bother, Trump’s on his way out, she said “This isn’t about Donald Trump, this has nothing to do with Donald Trump.”
I believe Kamala Harris is already picking out her chair for the Oval Office. Just reading her body language and the look on her face when they’ve appeared together speaks volumes. Old Slow Joe seems to be declining steadily, and I’d be surprised if he lasts a year in office. He won’t be running the office. He’ll just be the window dressing long enough for appearance’s sake, and then the party bosses will move him out to pasture. Joe’s harmless; Harris could be dangerous.
That’s true, and it’s my belief that’s been the Democrat plan since they decided to nominate Biden. (And now we know that they probably used election fraud to do it–they certainly used it in the 2016 primary.)
Harris will be dangerous and disastrous. The only things we have going for us against her would be: (1) holding the Senate; (2) the number of Democrat lawmakers who are saying things like “stop talking about socialism and defunding the police and endorsing riots” — these are people who may be willing to vote against some of Harris’s agenda; (3) the Supreme Court; (4) civil disobedience, which finally started this week in NYC; (5) the silent majority has awakened.
Asking Scott’s question is asking Bill (and Trump’s supporters) to ‘think past the sale’ (as Scott Adams calls it) of Trump ‘losing’ the election.
While there is still a chance, the Trump we know is going to continue fighting. He’s been fighting for the past almost 4 years against this headwind, so he’s a proven fighter, and we appreciate that from him.
Trump is not a wimpy Republican like Romney or what’s-his-name from Wisconsin who was the Speaker of the House before Pelosi snuck back in.
He’s also not a Nixon to let an election be stolen from him.
Trump realizes (as we all do) that if this election is successfully stolen from him, there will never be another chance. This election fraud has only escalated over the years/decades. If they get away with it this time, they’ll only get better at it.
That’s why he needs to continue fighting, now…
Regarding the republican party needing to be less polite and genteel, and more willing to fight back:
We need to replace the elephant with a pit bull.
I like it! Is there another animal that fights as hard as a pit bull? I can’t think of one. All I can think of is a mongoose, which is fast and deadly, but the pit bull–the pit bull never gives up!
IF Trump comes out on top of the 2020 election THEN the Democrats will use the same excuse of his “illegitimacy as POTUS” only this time based not on a phony Russian collusion hoax but they will claim, loudly and long with the aid of the corrupt media, that he lost and isn’t “really” the President. (This will likely go to the Supreme Court and of course they will claim Amy Coney-Barret was Trumps “Handmaid” in “stealing Biden’s victory”.)
While Trump winning is the best outcome for many reasons, that does not solve the problem.
What a Trump win does do is allow us time. Time to continue the economic policies that have ramped up the prosperity of this nation. Time to deal effectively with the China Flu issue. Time to set our enemies even further back. Perhaps most importantly time to deal with the runaway problem of election fraud because there is no way that gets fixed in a Biden administration.
And that is what worries me the most. Because if we don’t fix the election fraud issue the Republic is not falling, it has fallen.
I agree that fixing the election fraud is even more important than Trump being reelected. However, if he does prevail over this fraud, that will be because the light of day was shined upon the fraud and it will be undeniable. Therefore, I don’t think that the “Trump cheated” mantra will carry much weight because the Democrat election fraud will have been clearly exposed.
It won’t matter to the Democrats. You’re expecting rational behavior but they trumpeted and screamed about Russian collusion long after the Mueller Report for-all-practical-purposes exonerated Trump…. and did their best to spin that exoneration as a non-exoneration.
So IF Trump comes out of this legal battle as winner THEN the Democrats will claim it was all done via the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy that that the bitter, nasty, sick harpy Bill Clinton married warned them all about.
Many Democrats still believe GW Bush stole Al Gore’s Presidency from him. If Trump triumphs, it will be worse than that not better.
They will never, ever accept the exposure of Democrat rigged elections as proof of anything. That ship sailed in the 1990’s at the latest.
In this way Democrats have become a lot like radical Muslims. In that the only thing they respect is overwhelming force. I’m not saying the only way to overcome their nonsense is to drop bombs on them as if they were ISIS (though the idea has its temptationws), I’m saying that they need to lose in the courts then when the following rioting, burning and looting ensues those people need to be arrested and vigorously prosecuted. After that dust settles we need to put policies and law in place to combat any and all forms of voter fraud … and enforce them strenuously like any other felony offenses.
The absolute number of people who will believe that the election was stolen, the same ones who believe Bush stole from Gore, is quite small. Even the people saying it out loud don’t really believe it themselves for the most part–at least the ones who say it on TV. It’s just that the legacy media and Big Tech have no qualms about proclaiming a Big Lie.
But when you consider that only half the country even votes (though the number of people who voted in 2020 may be the largest percentage of people eligible to register to vote legally since the Civil War), the number of people who actually believe the Big Lie is pretty small, and will continue to shrink.
Bill’s right that we need a new strategy. Jeremy Boreing is right that we need to stop talking about creating an alternative media, it’s time to do it. It’s those parallel systems of the old CSA. We now have momentum on our side.
ACTS: I agree with everything in your post. The left certainly dismisses Mueller’s “exoneration”. To them, just because there was no evidence doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. With no proof, one can believe anything. However, if Trump prevails against this election fraud, it will be because there was incontrovertible proof that said fraud occurred, and to the point that legal action had to be taken. That’s a very different situation.
Sure, the hard-core will still believe it was a stolen and the “proof” didn’t rise to the standard. But as Laura points out, those hard-core numbers are much smaller than the media makes them appear. Traditional Democrats are leaving the party in droves and they really, really do not like the radical direction that the Democrat party has taken.
It has been easy for Democrats to dismiss proof of crimes committed by Democrats because action is never taken against them.
However, if Trump prevails, it necessarily means that irrefutable proof was presented and that action was taken. That will be undeniable.
If that happens, the Democrats have two choices:
One. realize that the hard left road is a losing proposition and go back to being a traditional Democrat. (The best choice).
Two. Double down and become even more violent.
All this is based on the assumption that the fraud is proven and Trump prevails.
They will say that anyway so Trump does not care. In fact the more they say it the less powerful they and it becomes.
It’s not vitally important what kind of BS they say when we all know it’s BS from the get-go. That’s just politics and politics is something we have to live with but … They will say it nonetheless and the media will do everything in its power to amplify that..
My point about the time needed to fix this election fraud issue is the important thing. Biden may well have won this election by cheating, the only way to stop the cheating is to prove it and devise methods for dealing with it legally. That’s not going to happen under a Biden administration. If it worked this time they’ll use it again and Biden will not care to stop it because he and his party are the beneficiaries. This time it was the Presidency, in 2022 it will be the House and Senate and the prospect for “fixing” this problem diminish with every election.
People must be prosecuted and jailed for electoral fraud. They can be pardoned a year or so later if needed. Trump must hold the White House. I think they have the evidence and I suspect the judges, even the leftist ones, will vote to overturn the fraud. They will understand that if President Harris goes after conservatives and Maga people its a recipe for war and the judges are will protected against antifa but not the heavy weapons of a civil war.
If he is not president on 1/21/21, then DJT needs to form up a MAGA network for capturing and publishing/ promoting the Americanism Bill refers to. No more lying by omission or commission! If Fox can’t or won’t do it, then we need a real competitor for the MSM. Our views get out via the internet, but not widely and broadly enough to solidly influence overall view points.
There had to be an awful lot of Trump derangement hate out there for Biden [47 years failed slow Joe Biden!!] to gain the (nominal or real) vote count he got. The influence of the Left is not that wide without the help of the MSM hiding reality and honesty and virtue.
If Trump isn’t elected I’ll be stunned and amazed! If he decides not to run in 2024, my money is on Ted Cruz. He was my choice in 2016, but as it turns out Trump was the better pick. I find Pence an amazing man, but not as intense as Trump.
We need a fighter that understands that the vast majority of the MSM is the opposition and, consequently, does not care if the MSM calls them a bad name.
Not just if they call him or her a bad name, but if they maintain 95% negative coverage for six solid years.
I don’t doubt that Jeb! would have said that. I keep losing respect for the Bushes every time they talk in public.
DJT if unsuccessful will need to be the center of the fight. The next person needs to be another fighter – Richard Grennel? Nikki Haley? Someone new?
I have been wracking my brains over this. Grennel might be a good choice. I think Haley has ticked some people off because she has not been vocally supportive of Trump’s legal challenges to the election results and that has ticked a lot of people off. But people might forgive her eventually, who knows.
I’m still pretty skeptical that any politician can successfully take up Trump’s mantle. So I’m looking for someone who is outside the system, has rhinoceros skin, is a fighter, speaks bluntly, and is independently wealthy enough to be uncorruptible in that way. Oh yes, and puts America first, every single time. It doesn’t necessarily have to be someone “from the pop culture” but I think it will almost have to be someone who isn’t an elected politician. As Bill has said, it has to be someone who can campaign, not just govern.
I have a lingering fondness for Ted Cruz, and I think he has most of those qualities, but he doesn’t have the charisma needed to draw the kind of support Trump gets. Same with Pence.
I think we need an anti-AOC.
Given she is a complete idiot, any rock in my garden qualifies for this title.
I have to stop posting before I finish my coffee. That is some bad and redundant prose there!
I was trying for a matter:antimatter kind of relationship.
I realized that, but I could not resist an opportunity to brag about the IQ of my garden of stones. 😉
I envision Trump as the leader of the newly formed MAGA political party, which will be made up of all the citizens who backed him up and who believe in what he did as president. He would also be great in forming his own media company to replace the MSM and would be vastly more popular than any alternative news source we have now, because he would draw all the most viewed people of today into his service, such as Hannity, Ingraham, Candace Owens, etc. He could be the nexus of all the scattered voices of conservatism and his new political party would eclipse the Republican party out of view. What say you?
Bill, I think you are missing an important fact in your analysis of New Coke.
Whittle’s Law states that if they do something that appears to be so bad and self-destructive that it’s unfathomable, there must be something that would be even worse behind it. (I paraphrase.)
For Coca-Cola, that factor was the price of sugar, which was then and is now kept artificially high by the federal government.
The price of sugar caused candymakers to move to Canada or Mexico. I think one of the candy factories literally moved across the river from Detroit to Windsor, but I can’t verify that. Brach’s certainly moved from Chicago to Mexico.
What does this have to do with Coke? Well, the original formula for Coke used sugar, of course. Now it uses high-fructose corn syrup, which is cheaper. Quoting Wikipedia: “Factors contributing to the rise of HFCS include production quotas of domestic sugar, import tariffs on foreign sugar, and subsidies of U.S. corn, raising the price of sucrose and lowering that of HFCS, making it cheapest for many sweetener applications.”
Pepsi used HFCS. It was cheaper to make Pepsi.
Today, Coca-Cola is made in the U.S. with HFCS, but it is still made in Mexico, and around the world, with sugar. It tastes different. It was this difference in sugar vs. HFCS that was behind all those “taste test” commercials back in the day. (I get “Mexican Coke,” i.e., original Coke, occasionally here in Texas where it is imported.)
If you examine the timeline of New Coke carefully, you will find that when they reintroduced “Classic Coke” (made with HFCS instead of sugar), it was about enough time for everyone who had stockpiled original Coke and boycotted New Coke to have run out of their supplies. In other words, they calculated when there would be no more (or not enough) original Coke left in the U.S. for people to compare it in taste tests to Classic Coke.
So, back to Whittle’s Law. What’s worse than ticking off your customer base, which is one of the largest brand loyalties in history? Paying the extra cost for sugar vs. HFCS for forty or a hundred years.
Interesting…
I knew some of those details, i.e. that Coke (or anything else) with real sugar was made in Mexico, but sodas in general in USA had only HFCS.
I didn’t know the rationale behind all that… thanks for putting the details together for me/us!
Mind you, I read or heard that somewhere, sometime (sorry, no idea where or when). I didn’t come up with it myself. But it makes sense, follows Whittle’s Law, and until this election was my favorite conspiracy theory ever.
BTW I get a cola at HEB (their brand) that’s “made with real cane sugar.” It has a bit of a cane syrup flavor to it, though, stronger than plain sugar. But I like it better than Modern HFCS Coke. (Mexican Coke is still the best.)
Everyone seems to be accepting a loss fir the president amid obvious incredible election fraud. Why?
For not fir, sorry text correct
You can edit your comment until someone replies to you, then it’s locked. But mostly don’t worry about it because we all got from the context what you were saying and everyone trips over a typo now and agin’. 🙂
Some of us don’t just trip over typos … we actually fall on our faces and break things. Sigh.
Speaking only for myself, I’d say it’s because we don’t believe the situation can be rectified in a way that is at the same time legal, constitutional, and in conformity with the social compact.
Even if the President were to prevail in the courts, it is unlikely that the courts would be so bold as to overturn the apparent result, no matter how it was achieved.
And while it is certainly possible for some of the states involved to invoke the “safe harbor” provisions of the Electoral Count Act of 1887 by having their (Republican-controlled) legislatures select the electors, it would represent a significant departure from contemporary norms.
I suspect that is why the latest framing of the issue by the President’s team is that these lawsuits aren’t about changing the outcome, they’re about transparency. I expect this is a Straussian formulation, but there it is. And it’s certainly true that getting these things drug out into the light of day may be useful in future disputes, much as Bush v. Gore has proven to be here.
The sad truth is, no matter who is inaugurated President on January 20th, the next four years are going to see a deeply divided electorate, roughly half of whom believe they were robbed.
Given that the Right is far less likely to take to the streets and start smashing things as a subtle indication of their displeasure, perhaps we should see a Biden presidency through a Straussian lens. As C-3PO famously advises R2-D2, “…I suggest a new strategy: let the Wookie win!”
And if you think it’s better to win than to lose, regardless, I’d like to introduce you to my good friends, John Quincy Adams and Rutherford B. Hayes.
As these examples show, America has already survived several Presidential elections in which the “wrong guy” became President. And while circumstances are quite different in the contemporary age, I beg leave to hope that is still true.
I think it is a mistake to let the bullies win just because they’ll do damage if they don’t get their way. This breeds more and bigger bullies.
Can you explain what you mean by “Straussian formulation”? I have heard of Leo Strauss and that there are East coast and West coast groups of his followers or “disciples”, but I have not been educated in, or really exposed to, his ideas, views, philosophy, or whatever. Harry Jaffa is another name that sometimes comes up on a similar context?
What you say is very well thought out and valid. Even so I won’t advocate for letting cheaters prosper from their cheating …
The Left in shaping “accepted contemporary norms” is what got us here. The fact that the Republican Party let them do that is why I no longer call myself a Republican and have not for decades. Anyone who didn’t see the current situation coming just has not been paying attention.
That said, I don’t think letting Biden get away with election fraud is the way to go. There’s going to come a schism and a clash eventually. There will never be a better time for it than now in terms of blood and treasure. Moving forward, the cost of fixing this whole problem is never going to be any cheaper no matter how expensive it is today.
It’s not that we’re accepting it, but that we’re making plans just in case the Deep State wins by fraud. None of us can ever accept that, because we know, beyond doubt, that fraud has occured. We just think that we need to form a plan to counteract the enemy’s actions until we can win and win big.
Given that the states run and certify their own elections, once they have certified through the process as dictated, it is very hard to see that being undone. If the states in question are so corrupt as to certify these obviously fraudulent results, what are the courts to do? All the courts can really look at is if the process was followed. This is why the push is on the process. Were ballots allowed that should not have been allowed? The courts can state those should be excluded if they can be recognized.
Someone posted somewhere around here a case from Pennsylvania from 1994 where the court threw out the election results because of fraud, and named the candidate from whom the election was stolen as the winner. So there’s precedent for courts to throw the entire election results out.
That’s also what happened in 1874, but I don’t think it was the courts who threw out the results there, I think it was the state legislatures.
So we have two precedents, and two mechanisms, to throw out the entire election results in half a dozen states. The only question is whether the judges and legislators will have the guts and the integrity to do it. Pray for them.
Yeah, it sounds like a defeatist attitude, doesn’t it? If the Dems get away scott free, America is over! There will never be an honest election ever again. If the Democratic Socialists take over, there will be violence. Count on it!
Haven’t seen you comment. You must be new. welcome! I LOVE your handle. Tex Annie! And I agree. Why is everybody just shrugging and taking this supposed defeat as a fait accompli? Left getting away with murder? What happened to the fighting spirit?