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Uvalde: Police Restrained Parents from Rushing in to Save Their Children at Robb Elementary

Police in Uvalde, Texas, restrained parents from rushing into Robb Elementary School to save their children as law enforcement seemed unwilling or unable to do their job.

Police in Uvalde, Texas, restrained parents from rushing into Robb Elementary School to save their children as law enforcement seemed unwilling or unable to do their job. The President of the United States cries, “My God, can no one stop the gun lobby?” The press jabber about AR-15 rifles, as if the type of weapon used in murder is the cause of murder. The weapons are morally neutral. It’s not the problem. Who will address the true evil?

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You don’t react to children being deprived of their rights – the right to live – by stripping the rest of us of our right of freedom.

There are 2 different issues that need to be addressed.
1st: Money. I am loathe to support conspiracy theories, but two AK’s, body armor, and ammo are Not cheap. Whoever financed this obviously disturbed teenager Needs to be held accountable. This monster was bankrolled by somebody: the math needs to be exposed. Where did that money come from? Even if it is as simple as a blank check from grandma, we need to know.
2nd: Blind Order Following. A most disturbing trend in “law enforcement” is this blind obedience to unmistakably immoral orders. Just how far is the USA away from Canada; where Canadian cops literally arrested people, engaged in large scale theft of personal property, and even abused elderly people under the moniker of “Following Orders”. When we see USA cops Not engaging an active shooter but engaging protective parents; I think this question Needs to be addressed. I support actual Law Enforcement and the Officers who Protect and Serve; not some brainwashed soldiers who follow orders no matter how horrific those orders are. What can be done to solve this riddle: how can good cops disobey clearly inappropriate orders?

On the 2nd June 2010, in Cumbria, northwest England, a man shot and killed 12 people, injuring another 11, and finally killed himself. The killings happened over two hours, in 8 different locations within a 10 mile radius. The shooter used a nice, safe 12 gauge double-barrelled shot gun and a Czech made .22 bolt action rifle. Both weapons approved by the Former Vice President.
On the 12th August 2021, in Plymouth, southwest England, a man shot and killed 5 people, injured 2 and then shot himself. The killing took place in less that 15 minutes, the shooter used a pump action shotgun.
The UK has guns laws far tighter than even many Democrats would tolerate. Gun crime is very low, and murder sprees are rare, but far from unknown.

Yep. You can take ALL guns away from the people and that won’t stop, or I’d guess hardly even slow down the people from killing each other. Almost a hundred thousand Rwandans were killed with machetes.

Spot on. After the Second World War the next highest death toll is pretty much a tie between the First World War and the Taiping Rebellion in China, 1850-64. Somewhere between 20 and 30 million people died in the Taiping Rebellion, about 10 million of them combat deaths.
The biggest and most destructive weapons would have been heavy smoothbore cannon. Many battle casualties were killed by (quite primitive) small arms, and huge numbers were killed face to face, with swords, spears, and other beautifully crafted and skilfully wielded edged weapons, which of course is much kinder to the environment.
Over here we’re getting quite used to vicious knife crimes being reported from very particular parts of the UK. No guns does not equal no murders, but it does equal not being able to defend yourself against potential murderers.

The US Border Patrol engages in more gunfights than any other law enforcement agency in our country. I used to know one of the guys who trained them in their shooting skills (he has since passed away), and, interestingly when he offered his skills to train the trainers of the NYPD (this was after the famous 44 shots to kill an unarmed bridegroom in the limousine that was blocked from leaving the wedding reception), he was rebuffed as not being skilled enough to train the elite NYPD. A lot of USBP officers are alive today because of Jim’s instruction. The same could have been the case with not only NYPD officers, but also the innocent NYC citizens who are subjected to random shots from the poor marksmanship skills of the NYPD.

I’m very firmly on the side of law and order, that doesn’t mean I’m always unfailingly and unthinkingly on the side of every police officer. It seems to me that I’m more on the side of law and order than many police officers of today are.

You can be firmly for a thing yet be critical of it. This “all or nothing” crap is what Greg Gutfeld calls “the prison of two extremes” and it’s nothing but fantasy and the mark of a lesser intelligence.

For instance you can be 100% for Donald Trump yet realize and describe in detail the many mistakes he made, mistakes more as a person than as a President. That doesn’t automatically make you an “anti-Trumper”. I’ve gotten in some knockdown, drag-out fights in here over just that. Because as soon as I say anything that could be construed as negative about Donald Trump one micro-brain in here especially starts lambasting me with all the condemnation that an actual, real life no-shit anti-Trumper deserves.

That kind of thing is de facto proof that a person isn’t really willing to think about real problems and discuss them. They might have a lot to say but what they have to say isn’t worth reading because … It’s proof they’re not real bright. They’re not conversing with you, they’re talking at you saying the things they think will make everyone admire them. That’s virtue signalling in the purest form. They aren’t smart enough to realize that you’re not the target they’ve been hoping to encounter so they could unload and tell someone what’s what.

The same principle applies to cops. You can be for law and order and not endorse law enforcement agents as infallible heros.

Just because someone put on a badge and strapped on a gun doesn’t make him automatically a hero. He got hired to do a job and like any other job in the world some people are more suited to it than others. Some are more vigilant and diligent about it than others. Some people work hard and some people slack off and almost everyone falls somewhere between those two extremes.

It’s a job with a lot of baggage. That onus is hard to live up to. No one knows what they will do at the moment of truth until they’re facing it. YOU don’t know what you will do unless you’ve faced your own mortality and overcome the sheer, raw fear to go on to do what you must. That’s not a situation for everyone and there is no screening or testing that will reliably indicate that a police officer will do anything but crap himself and run. Until he actually encounters that situation and does the right thing. Facing your own death is something that you must do to know how you will handle it.

Period. Full stop. This is not arbitrary or open to discussion. I’ve seen people do what needs to be done and I’ve seen them crap themselves and run away. Before they faced their own demise you couldn’t tell the difference between them, afterwards they carry an attitude that stays with them the rest of their lives.

Many years ago I was in a midwestern city, in a bar in a fairly tough part of town. A cab driver came in carrying a beer. You’re not allowed to bring your own drinks in off the street in pretty much any bar in America. He was asked nicely to leave, then he was told firmly to leave, then the bouncers threw him out on the sidewalk.

He was gone about two minutes and then he came back in with a handgun and started shooting. He wasn’t trying to hit anyone because if he was, the bar was crowded enough that he couldn’t help but hit someone. So he fired into the ceiling and into the bottles behind the bar all the while yelling something incoherent.

I dove behind the bar and I had lots of company. There’s a difference between cover and concealment and the bar was the nearest cover. Remember I said it was in a pretty tough part of town? Yeah, it was tough enough that there was an armed, uniformed police officer in that bar after a certain time of day.

That cop was right next to me, sidearm drawn and shaking like a leaf. I said …

“If you’re not going to use that thing, give it to me.”

Which of course he would not do but hey, it was worth the effort anyway.

I had already been through my “trial by fire” and I would have killed that cab driver. That cop had, as it turned out, never been in a situation where he’d drawn his service weapon. The way things ended up the cab driver’s handgun ran dry and several people in the bar tackled him. No one died that day, though the cabbie looked pretty rough by the time the ambulance came to pick him up.

So honestly, I won’t claim that the saying “all’s well that ends well” isn’t applicable. Because no one got shot, not the innocents and not the bad guy with a gun. No one getting shot is always a positive outcome.

No one got shot but that was sheer Divine Providence. That cabbie could have killed someone with his last round and stopping him with lethal counterforce would have been the right thing to do.

All that said, I learned my lesson about the courage and spine of a man with a badge and a gun that day too. I never, ever again assumed that a cop would face down a bad man and deal with him. Because you never know until you have to deal with that sort of thing.

Here’s the thing I do know. If you’ve encountered a lethal situation, crapped yourself and run like a dog, you shouldn’t be drawing pay as a law enforcement officer for even one more single day after that. Because you’ve proven everything anyone needs to know about your suitability for that job.

It may be true that the job of police is to draw chalk outlines around corpses and try to figure out who did the deed. That’s not the relevant factor here.

It’s the job of any civilized adult human being to protect children from death and disaster at the hands of a crazed lunatic with a gun. If they have the means to do so. It’s not anyone’s job to commit suicide in vain.

If you’re not enough of a civilized adult human being to even try to stop an active shooter when you’re standing there with a very potent, very capable weapon in your hands, you’re not enough of a civilized human being to be a cop either.

Some might say “Well it’s the fault of the officer in charge for not allowing those cops to go kill that nutjob.”

Not true. The officer in charge may have done that but that’s an excuse not a reason. If there are children dying by gunfire mere yards from where you’re standing with your own weapon, orders be damned. So you get fired. So you have to choose and start over with another career. For the rest of your life you’ll know that several children lived because you did the right thing in spite of orders. You’ll never know how many but a rule-of-thumb guess would be one for every cartridge the bad guy had left unfired before you put him down.

If you’re not enough of a civilized adult human being to do what’s right and ignore what you’re told to the contrary you do not deserve to wield the authority of The State. Because you don’t know the difference between right and wrong or if you do you don’t have the guts to do what’s right. Same thing either way. You’re not a hero, you’re a normal human being and that job requires the exceptional from you. You’ve proven you don’t have what it takes to do the job well.

As a former San Diego police officer, I agree with you. The failure of those officers in allowing that sociopath to kill children is unconscionable. It would have been worth going after him even while unarmed rather than stand there while he killed children. But for those officers to refuse to run to the protection of those children is so horribly wrong that I hope they suffer the earned guilt for the rest of their lives.
I think part of the problem is that some departments don’t make certain the men and women they hire are there for the protection of their citizens, their community – but especially women and children. I believe too many are there for the paycheck, or the “authoritas”, or the attention they attract from cop-groupies. I’ve known some very bad cops in several departments, including an Aryan Brotherhood jerk in my academy class who tried to bait a black classmate into swinging at him. I sorted him out so that my classmate – a good young man certain to become a good cop – wouldn’t get kicked out of the academy. [The bad guy ended up shot to death by a young black kid whom he was beating severely with his baton, until the kid managed to get the officer’s revolver (yes, it WAS that long ago) and shot and killed him. The young black kid was acquitted – especially after the judge discovered several other officers had tampered with evidence and lied during testimony.]
At least one of the officers at that school in Uvalde should have ignored the Chief’s commands to not respond. Any officer worth a damn would rather have died than allow a child to die from his lack of willingness to risk himself. When the shooting started, there was absolutely NO good reason to refrain from running to the sound of that sociopath’s gun.

I’m a Marine, I served in the Marine Corps many, many years ago. Marines run to the sound of gunfire because that sound tells you where the bad guys are. It’s not foolhardy, it’s logical.

I agree with every single thing you said and I would not have been able to stop myself from going after that active shooter either. Even if all I had was my wits and a pocket knife. (I always carry a serious ‘pocket knife’ so that there’s no chance I’ll ever be completely unarmed.) Your mind is your primary weapon.

Right is right and wrong is wrong. It’s wrong for a capable, physically able bodied male adult not to place himself between kids and killers. If he’s wearing a badge then he signed up for that job and if he refuses to do it then his badge should be forfeit.

The policemen in Nashville during the recent active shooter incident at a school did exactly the opposite of what the cops did in Uvalde. They didn’t hesitate for even a second. That’s important, hesitation is contagious and it’s a self driving positive feedback loop.

Thanks for sharing your experience on this subject. We need more people who are willing to do that.

That is great Bill, I wish everyone in the United States could/would listen to that speech.
I attended a family outing to celebrate Memorial Day at my son’s house. I knew his wife’s side of the family was very left-leaning and had supported Joe Biden in the 2020 elections his wife had had said: “for the good of the country”.
I had my Vietnam Veteran Hat on and I sat down by one of her aunts and uncle at an open space at the picnic table. I was politely thanked for my service after it was established that yes, I was a Vietnam vet, and not just wearing the hat. The talk moved to the Uvalde school shooting and what a terrible dangerous weapon Vietnam War had introduced into our country you would have thought it shoot nuclear bullets. She calls it a machine gun and should have ever been allowed to be made let alone brought stateside. I told her no that was not the truth, in reality, an AR15 is no more than a close-range 22 cal rifle with a bigger power charge and self-loading, that’s it. The main logic behind it was the guns and their ammo’s light weight. It was a nice little gun and over the years I had acquired several of them all customized differently one for range shooting, one for home defense, and even a pink one for my wife. OMG, you would have thought I shit my pants, they both jump up from the table to get away from me as fast as possible spouting all kinds of leftist things such as what’s wrong with me no normal person should own an AR15 let alone several of them. It was just unbelievable, I thought to myself these people are brainwashed! What has happened to America?

“Limited” immunity for police MUST be revoked. Save for a handful of Sheriffs and Border Guards, the cops we have are the kind who will gleefully arrest you for surfing without a mask, or standby and do nothing while it happens. As for the uniformed cowards huddled in the hallway, obeying orders while listening to schoolchildren being massacred, they should be awaiting trial. But who’s going to arrest them? My father and grandfather were both cops, but I’d like to think they would have wiped themselves with that damned blue flag.

You need to stop listening to the media’s narrative on this one, sir. You are repeating BLM and Defund the Police nonsense. They pinned the POS down and were attempting to breach the room. It’s not as easy as you think. Stop letting your emotions run wild here. They are only being used to manipulate you by people that hate you.

They “pinned the POS down” for almost an hour, while kids were being shot. Who’s the bigger POS here? To defend these cops, one would have to have a favorite flavor of boot polish. Supreme Court said they have no duty to protect. I disagree.

Except that isn’t true, Roy. 99% of the shooting happened in the first 5 minutes all before the police engaged him and pinned him down. This wasn’t an action movie, cops don’t have breaching gear just in their squad cars. Stop listening to people that hate you.

I’ll address your points in order. Yes, most of the shooting happened in the first few minutes, with sporadic gunfire until 12:21, nearly an hour after he entered the school. Guess the cops figured all the kids were dead, so no need to hurry; barricaded suspect mode engaged. Except the 911 calls from a kid inside the school informed the authorities that there were 8 or 9 still alive. They did not “engage him & pin him down”, he locked the door and winged a couple of cops. Their “breaching gear” was right there at the end of their leg. Agaiin, the cops apparently have no duty to protect anyone, even kids, so they didn’t. Stop listening to people that hate you.

Sorry, Mike, but you are wrong. Once the little bastard started shooting, there was absolutely no reason to remain where they were. It’s fine to say confronting a psycho could push him into shooting, but once it began, getting there (they should have been standing just out of sight if they weren’t going to immediately go after him) should have taken only seconds, and targeting him should have been instantaneous (as long as he wasn’t hiding behind a child).
When he started killing children the only response a decent person – but especially a cop – should have had was to shoot him. If unarmed, then to run at him in hope of getting to him and stopping him, even at risk of your life. If he is shooting at you, he isn’t killing a child.
It doesn’t have a damn thing to do with the BurnLootMurder crowd or any other nonsense. And yes, I’ve had guns pointed at me and I’ve been shot at, and it can be as scary as hell, but if you can stand there and do nothing when children are dying, you can’t call yourself a man.

You obviously don’t understand “Qualified Immunity” at all. Without it we could have NO law enforcement. Without it, officers could be sued by any person at any time for anything, even a parking ticket and the officer would have to pay for their own defense. End of police departments.

Qualified immunity wasn’t even a thing until a Supreme Court ruling in 1967. Police departments didn’t exist until the mid 1800s. I think it essential that they are held accountable for their actions just like you & I, who can “be sued by any person at any time for anything”.
BTW, took ’em less than 80 years to become so corrupt that the President of the United States launched an investigation of police nationwide in 1929. They don’t have an honorable history, by any stretch of the imagination.
They “Serve & Protect” the club that “you ain’t in”. Think about it, present day. When they inadvertently pull over a prosecutor, mayor, politician, etc.; all of a sudden they’re not too interested in law enforcement.

Wrong, Roy. Yes, in any organization where one man has authority over another there will be corruption. Always has been, always will be. But I know most of the men and women I worked with were there to help people. And I worked with women cops who had more courage than some of the men I knew who also wore our tan uniform. I knew those gals would back me up no matter what – because they did.
There are indeed police departments where corruption is so deeply ingrained that I’d be ashamed to work there (and never would), but everywhere I worked, most of the cops I knew would take a bullet to protect an innocent person, but especially a woman, and certainly a child.
I would never climb into a unit with a coward who would standby while children were being killed, and that includes those in Uvalde. But the majority of those I worked with in four different agencies were decent men and women who hired on to protect those people in our community – ad anywhere else we might find ourselves, at work or even on vacation.

Seventeen Hispanic children and a Hispanic teacher were murdered by a Hispanic teenager while a bunch of cops stood around doing nothing but keeping parents from going into the school and trying to stop the murders.
Where is the outcry from the Hispanic community?
Can you imagine if these 18 deaths were committed by a crazy white kid in a black inner city school?
The blacks are still screaming “hands up, don’t shoot” for heaven’s sake.

While I agree with your overall point, I am frustrated that people keep repeating the media narrative (you know the same media that has been promoting BLM and Defund the Police nonsense) that they did nothing for 40 minutes. That’s not true. The school was hardened and the shooter was pinned down in a room that needed to be breached. Every cop in the small down doesn’t have that kind of equipment in their squad car. Things take time. This wasn’t the time for Rambo nonsense. Can lessons be learned? Of course. But crucifying the cops because they aren’t in a Taken Sequel is just plain silly.

I do not think the “public” will ever know what really happened. The authorities will put out a “Warren commission” type version that will be hotly contested ad nauseum and eventually everyone will stop paying attention.
My point is this: It appears to me that no matter how heinous the actions of the authorities, white people just let it fade away and go back to business as usual. No matter how trivial the actions of the authorities, blacks keep screaming about it! For years! They just keep bringing it up! Rubbing salt in the wound!
Why are we not hearing 24/7 outcries from Hispanic politicians? From Hispanic religious and community leaders?

But what we do know does not fit what the media is telling everyone and that even true conservatives like Bill and Steven Crowder are buying and repeating. That’s what is frustrating. And that’s my problem. Making this a racial issue and looking for those who are most oppressed in this situation will do nothing to help the narrative for the left unless they find an angle that this was somehow racially motivated.

I’m sure glad you were never my back-up, Mike. I wonder f you would be singing the same tired song if it had been your children in that classroom.

Bad take, Bill. You are believing the media narrative here. The scum was pinned down within 5 minutes and the next 40 was in attempting to breach the hardened room. This is not on the cops. I’m sure they made mistakes in the fog of war, but this “sitting around for 45 minutes” narrative is from the “Defund the Police” Marxists.
You may get to the fact that “we don’t know all the details” eventually in the video, but I was too disgusted to watch past the first few minutes.
I’m not mad. Just disappointed in all the conservatives jumping on this media narrative without a second thought.
Check this video out by John Burk. YouTube hasn’t censored it yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foSZkkO_0_I&t=1402s

This whole Uvalde incident took just a little over an hour. It could very easily be made into a dramatic and suspenseful feature length movie shot in real time from different points of view (like the old 24 series).

The Border Patrol agents would be our main protagonists. During the considerable time it would take the agents to arrive at the school, we would show, in real time, the events unfolding at the school. The tragedies in the classroom. The Uvalde police wringing their hands but not acting and, the desperate and frustrated parents being prevented from saving their children.

Meanwhile, the border agents are portrayed with a sense of urgency and purpose but hindered by distance, eventually arrive. They must bypass the police, breach the school and engage the shooter, finally bringing the tragedy to an end.

It would be great! The left would hate it.

Thank you for this. I have continually argued the pro-gun side with my family, who refuse to get it. I’ll forward this, because it is irrefutable logic, passionately expressed. I am grateful, Bill Whittle, for your clear-eyed conservatism on all subjects, but especially this one.

Run out of town? You’re too kind – I’m thinking more of being arrested as accomplices and facing civil suits as well

Please stop buying the media narrative. They hate you and they hate cops.

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